Legertop Egypte Ontslagen

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Morsi ontslaat legertop Egypte

De Egyptische president Morsi heeft de legerleider en minister van Defensie Tantawi ontslagen. Ook het hoofd van de legerstaf Anan is uit zijn functie ontheven. Morsi heeft verder een nieuwe vicepresident aangesteld, de rechter Mekki. Die positie was vacant.
Daarnaast heeft de Egyptische president een aanpassing van de grondwet teruggedraaid. Het leger deed die aanpassing om de macht van de president te beperken. Morsi maakte zijn besluiten bekend op de Egyptische staatstelevisie.

Vervanging

De twee legerleiders zijn direct vervangen door de generaals Sisi en Sobhi. President Morsi gaf in zijn speech op tv geen nadere verklaring voor de vervanging van de legerleiders.
Tantawi was onder Mubarak jarenlang minister van Defensie. Nadat Mubarak werd afgezet, leidde Tantawi de militaire raad die het land tijdelijk bestuurde.

Onrust Sinaï

Woensdag ontsloeg Morsi ook al de nationale veiligheidschef en de gouverneur van de noordelijke Sinaï-regio. Dat besluit had te maken met de onrust in de grensstreek die nog steeds voortduurt.
Vorige week zondag kwamen zestien Egyptische grenswachten om het leven bij een aanval van jihadisten. Afgelopen week voerde Egypte de eerste luchtaanval uit in de Sinaï sinds de oorlog met Israël in 1973.
Gisteravond is in de woestijn nog een aanval geweest op een groep militairen van de internationale vredesmacht.

NOS Nieuws - Morsi ontslaat legertop Egypte

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Gisteravond is in de woestijn nog een aanval geweest op een groep militairen van de internationale vredesmacht.

NOS Nieuws - Morsi ontslaat legertop Egypte

Laat Mark dit laatste regeltje maar niet lezen, voor je het weet heet je hier sjonny.

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u gotta be kidding me : nobody can fire the top of the army in Egypt , except the latter haha & except the US ...

is this some kindda joke or is it yet another tactic of the army in Egypt to fool the people again ?

The first thing that so-called president did or was told to do , to be more precize, is give the green light for air raids against his own people in the forbidden zone : the Sinai : no wonder that israel gave them permission to use their fighterjets in their own land against their own people

How can this Egyptian government pretend to stand for the dignity, so-called freedom ... of Egypt, when we see that it had to ask the permission from the israeli enemy in order to use its own jets against its own people in its own territoy


why use jets against your own people anayway , in the first place to begin with : was dialogue not an option under the so-called rising Egyptian "democracy ?

How can this so-called revolutionary Egyptian government still honor some of those humiliating terms of that so-called "peace treaty " with israel ?

How can this government still keep on playing the disgusting role of israel's watchdog in order to guarantee the so-called security of israel

How can this government not help Gaza ...


Egypt has no sovereingty , no kindda sovereingty , neither political nor economic or other kindda sovereignty

How can one say that Egypt is a "democracy " in the process of the making : bullshit

Egypt had replaced one kindda slavery by another , that's all

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Laat Mark dit laatste regeltje maar niet lezen, voor je het weet heet je hier sjonny.

Waar heb je het in vredesnaam over? Doerak.

[mark61]

Wat is dit? Burgeroorlog? Heeft Morsi iets geregeld met andere militairen?

...

Field Marshal Tantawi, 76, has not yet indicated whether he accepts the moves.

However Gen Mohamed el-Assar, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf), told Reuters news agency that the decision had been "based on consultation with the field marshal, and the rest of the military council".

...

Analysis

Kevin Connolly
Middle East correspondent

As he took office it seemed President Mohammed Mursi would be governing within narrow limits set by Egypt's generals - who had exercised power behind the throne for decades and then exercised it directly in the months since the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

But it is possible Mr Mursi's opponents may have underestimated him.

Egypt's army was unprepared for a recent attack on a security base in the Sinai desert by Islamic militants in which 16 soldiers died.

Mr Mursi appears to be seizing on that failure - which shocked ordinary Egyptians - to move against two key members of the high command.

It may be that the move has been co-ordinated secretly with other influential generals behind the scenes but for now, no-one can be sure.


BBC News - Egypt leader Mursi orders army chief Tantawi to resign

Afwachten maar.

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Binnen het leger zullen ook vast wel stromingen bestaan. Ik kan me niet indenken dat die hele club over alles hetzelfde denkt. En wellicht weet Mursi daar handig mee om te gaan.

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Ik lees intussen dat andere leden van de SCAF hun instemming hebben betuigd / bij de besluitvorming betrokken waren, en dat Tantawi en dinges benoemd zijn tot adviseur van Mursi.

Volkomen ondoorzichtig. Blijkbaar een compromis achter de schermen. Weer geen duidelijke scheiding leger - burgerregering.

[Mellow]

Wat is dit? Burgeroorlog? Heeft Morsi iets geregeld met andere militairen?

...

Field Marshal Tantawi, 76, has not yet indicated whether he accepts the moves.

However Gen Mohamed el-Assar, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf), told Reuters news agency that the decision had been "based on consultation with the field marshal, and the rest of the military council".

...

Analysis

Kevin Connolly
Middle East correspondent

As he took office it seemed President Mohammed Mursi would be governing within narrow limits set by Egypt's generals - who had exercised power behind the throne for decades and then exercised it directly in the months since the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

But it is possible Mr Mursi's opponents may have underestimated him.

Egypt's army was unprepared for a recent attack on a security base in the Sinai desert by Islamic militants in which 16 soldiers died.

Mr Mursi appears to be seizing on that failure - which shocked ordinary Egyptians - to move against two key members of the high command.

It may be that the move has been co-ordinated secretly with other influential generals behind the scenes but for now, no-one can be sure.


BBC News - Egypt leader Mursi orders army chief Tantawi to resign

Afwachten maar.

yeah , we do not know for sure what's going on in Egypt

But it is more likely that the so-called president had made some sort of deals with the generals , like when the army acted as if it was neutral when the popular uprising started against Mubarak

Considering the US israeli & other western geo-political and strategic interests in Egypt , it is thus more likely that this is yet another tactic of the top of the army to make it look as if Egypt has been becoming a "democracy ", while they keep on pulling the strings behnd the scene

Read my lips :

There will be no "democracy " in the Arab world , including Egypt , if we take into consideration all those geo-political , economic & strategic vital interests of the west in the region

Egypt is not and cannot be a sovereign state , has neither political nor economic sovereingty : can there be no democracy without economic prosperity , the latter cannot exist without political sovereinty

Let's assume ,against all odds , that Egypt would become a democracy despite all the above mentioned stuff : the people there would make the government act in accordance with the supreme will & interests of the people, including the questioning of those humiliating terms of the "peace treaty" with israel , the people would push for helping Gaza ....all that is not in the intersts neither of israel mainly , nor in the interests of the US ...

There will be no 'democracies " in the Arab world thus as i said many times

[mark61]

yeah , we do not know for sure what's going on in Egypt

But it is more likely that the so-called president had made some sort of deals with the generals , like when the army acted as if it was neutral when the popular uprising started against Mubarak

Considering the US israeli & other western geo-political and strategic interests in Egypt , it is thus more likely that this is yet another tactic of the top of the army to make it look as if Egypt has been becoming a "democracy ", while they keep on pulling the strings behnd the scene

...

There will be no "democracy " in the Arab world , including Egypt , if we take into consideration all those geo-political , economic & strategic vital interests of the west in the region

Egypt is not and cannot be a sovereign state , has neither political nor economic sovereingty : can there be no democracy without economic prosperity , the latter cannot exist without political sovereinty

Ja, daar lijkt het wel op.

Dat hoeft niet, Turkije heeft a) de macht van de generaals danig ingeperkt en b) zich behoorlijk onafhankelijk van de VS opgesteld. Maar Turkije is natuurlijk economisch en politiek 'sterker' dan de Arabische landen.

Nou ja, pakweg de Golfstaten en Saoedi Arabië zijn welvarend, ook al zijn ze niet bepaald politiek onafhankelijk. Of Korea en Japan, eerder.

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Wat is dit? Burgeroorlog? Heeft Morsi iets geregeld met andere militairen?

...

Field Marshal Tantawi, 76, has not yet indicated whether he accepts the moves.

However Gen Mohamed el-Assar, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf), told Reuters news agency that the decision had been "based on consultation with the field marshal, and the rest of the military council".

...

Analysis

Kevin Connolly
Middle East correspondent

As he took office it seemed President Mohammed Mursi would be governing within narrow limits set by Egypt's generals - who had exercised power behind the throne for decades and then exercised it directly in the months since the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

But it is possible Mr Mursi's opponents may have underestimated him.

Egypt's army was unprepared for a recent attack on a security base in the Sinai desert by Islamic militants in which 16 soldiers died.

Mr Mursi appears to be seizing on that failure - which shocked ordinary Egyptians - to move against two key members of the high command.

It may be that the move has been co-ordinated secretly with other influential generals behind the scenes but for now, no-one can be sure.


BBC News - Egypt leader Mursi orders army chief Tantawi to resign

Afwachten maar.

yeah , we do not know for sure what's going on in Egypt

But it is more likely that the so-called president had made some sort of deals with the generals , like when the army acted as if it was neutral when the popular uprising started against Mubarak

Considering the US israeli & other western geo-political and strategic interests in Egypt , it is thus more likely that this is yet another tactic of the top of the army to make it look as if Egypt has been becoming a "democracy ", while they keep on pulling the strings behnd the scene

Read my lips :

There will be no "democracy " in the Arab world , including Egypt , if we take into consideration all those geo-political , economic & strategic vital interests of the west in the region

Egypt is not and cannot be a sovereign state , has neither political nor economic sovereingty : can there be no democracy without economic prosperity , the latter cannot exist without political sovereinty

Let's assume ,against all odds , that Egypt would become a democracy despite all the above mentioned stuff : the people there would make the government act in accordance with the supreme will & interests of the people, including the questioning of those humiliating terms of the "peace treaty" with israel , the people would push for helping Gaza ....all that is not in the intersts neither of israel mainly , nor in the interests of the US ...

There will be no 'democracies " in the Arab world thus as i said many times