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26-01-05, 13:50
Sharon: Holocaust kon niemand wat schelen
JERUZALEM - De wereld heeft geen vinger uitgestoken om de holocaust te stoppen. De shoah (totale uitroeiing) heeft de joden een les geleerd, namelijk dat ze alleen op zichzelf kunnen vertrouwen. Dat heeft de Israëlische premier Ariel Sharon woensdag gezegd in een toespraak in de Knesset, waar herdacht werd dat het donderdag zestig jaar geleden is dat het nazi-vernietigingskamp Auschwitz door het Rode Leger werd bevrijd.
Toen de nazi's in 1944 massaal joden uit Hongarije naar Auschwitz begonnen te deporteren, werden de spoorrails die naar het kamp in Polen leidden niet door de Geallieerden gebombardeerd, zo bracht Sharon in herinnering. De treinen konden ongestoord richting Auschwitz rijden en binnen de kortste keren werden meer dan 600.000 joden uit Hongarije in het kamp vermoord.
"De trieste en verschrikkelijke conclusie is dat het niemand wat kon schelen dat er joden werden vermoord. (...) vrienden en weldoeners staken geen vinger uit. Dat is de lering die de joden uit de holocaust hebben getrokken. De staat Israël heeft deze les geleerd en sinds zijn oprichting heeft Israël zichzelf en zijn bewoners verdedigd en verschaft het veiligheid aan joden overal ter wereld. Wij weten dat wij alleen op onszelf kunnen vertrouwen. Daarom moet de joodse staat altijd sterk blijven", aldus Sharon.
"Wij moeten er ons altijd van bewust zijn dat dit de enige plek ter wereld is waarin wij joden het recht en de macht hebben om onszelf op eigen kracht te verdedigen. Dat zullen wij nooit opgeven", aldus Sharon in zijn toespraak.
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staat Israël heeft deze les geleerd en sinds zijn oprichting heeft Israël zichzelf en zijn bewoners verdedigd en verschaft het veiligheid aan joden overal ter wereld. Wij weten dat wij alleen op onszelf kunnen vertrouwen. Daarom moet de joodse staat altijd sterk blijven", aldus Sharon. Vroeg of laat zal de balans in nadeel van Israel schuiven! En dan helpt geen enkel militaire kracht tegen de veel grotere dreigingen. Een rechtvaardige vrede biedt voor Israel meer veiligheid dan haar geveinsde militaire superieure kracht.
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Een rechtvaardige vrede biedt voor Israel meer veiligheid dan haar geveinsde militaire superieure kracht.
De geveinsde militaire superieure kracht van Israel?.. :haha: :haha: :haha:
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De geveinsde militaire superieure kracht van Israel?.. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Ik had al gehoopt dat iemand stom genoeg was om op te reageren.
En inderdaad!
Israel is niet instaat om een oorlog langer dan een maand te voeren. Het heeft geen industrie, demografie en geografie die het kunnen ondersteunen. Israel heeft een formidabele leger, maar een die tal van belemmeringen heeft.
Een rechtvaardige vrede....
Het is al decennia duidelijk wat de Arabische wereld daaronder verstaat. Uitroeïng van de joden en de joodse staat!
In dit geval kan ik mij geheel in de woorden van Sharon vinden (en dat geldt in Israel van links tot rechts; men kent daar de arabieren van haver tot gort).
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Een rechtvaardige vrede....
Het is al decennia duidelijk wat de Arabische wereld daaronder verstaat. Uitroeïng van de joden en de joodse staat!
). Wat betreft uitroeing van Joden, daar ben ik het niet met je eens. Maar het ontmantelen van israel, dat kan ik alleen beamen!
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Israel heeft een formidabele leger, maar een die tal van belemmeringen heeft.
Ja inderdaad, zij missen de (broodnodige) meedogenloosheid die bij de arabieren zo rijkelijk voorhanden is.
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Ik had al gehoopt dat iemand stom genoeg was om op te reageren.
En inderdaad!
Israel is niet instaat om een oorlog langer dan een maand te voeren. Het heeft geen industrie, demografie en geografie die het kunnen ondersteunen. Israel heeft een formidabele leger, maar een die tal van belemmeringen heeft.
Wat let de Arabische landen dan? Nog niet over de grote domper die de zesdaagse oorlog heet heen zeker?..
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Wat let de Arabische landen dan? Nog niet over de grote domper die de zesdaagse oorlog heet heen zeker?..
Als de Arabische wereld de Amerikaanse militaire en economische macht weet te verslaan in Iraq, dan heeft Israel weinig andere opties meer, dan het inzetten van nucleaire wapens, om zich te beschermen.
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Als de Arabische wereld de Amerikaanse militaire en economische macht weet te verslaan in Iraq, dan heeft Israel weinig andere opties meer, dan het inzetten van nucleaire wapens, om zich te beschermen.
Voorlopig zit de VS er nog wel en is er van onoverzienbare chaos geen sprake. Next stop Iran.
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Voorlopig zit de VS er nog wel en is er van onoverzienbare chaos geen sprake. Next stop Iran.
Ik denk dat er eerst een minimale oorlog in Syrie gevoerd zal worden. Het is ook mogelijk dat Venezuela en Cuba als eersten het slachtoffer worden van een regime change van Bush 2.
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Ik denk dat er eerst een minimale oorlog in Syrie gevoerd zal worden. Het is ook mogelijk dat Venezuela en Cuba als eersten het slachtoffer worden van een regime change van Bush 2.
Hoe dan ook, het is hoog tijd voor De Grote Schoonmaak.
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Zo de J-lui beginnen zelfs hun aartsvijand Mr 1933 na te papegaaien.
en dat nog wel op 60 jaar na Aushwitz.
Ze hebben de smaak nu echt te pakken,
nu ze de hele pentagon in hun zak hebben.
Dat is jouw creatieve geest die dat er uit opmaakt, ik had het over een andere schoonmaak.
Gelukkig is het Pentagon nu weer vier jaar in handen van hen die weten wat er moet worden aangevangen met de huidige toestand.
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Wat betreft uitroeing van Joden, daar ben ik het niet met je eens. Maar het ontmantelen van israel, dat kan ik alleen beamen!
Die zaken zijn in de praktijk synoniem, man. Wees nou es niet zo doorzichtig.
Het hele artikel gaat over de shoa, die slechts in die vorm kon bestaan door de diaspora. Ontmanteling van de staat Israël is in de ogen van de Joden identiek aan ophouden te bestaan. En ze hebben nog wel goeie redenen; de arabische wereld laat niets aan duidelijkheid te wensen over wat hun bedoelingen zijn.
(Wel bijzonder ironisch om te zien dat grote voorvechters van de Palestijnse staat wel heel gemakkelijk de conclusie trekken dat de Joden als volk prima zonder eigen staat en souvereiniteit kunnen.........)
En neem ook even de moeite in te gaan op de kern van de boodschap in dit artikel. Je zeilt op twee fronten langs de essentie heen; de bedoelingen van de westerse landen in WOII en de bedoelingen van de arabische wereld heden ten dage.
Ze hebben leergeld betaald en de prijs was onbetaalbaar.
Sharon ziet't haarscherp. Ik ben het dan ook geheel met hem eens.
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Die zaken zijn in de praktijk synoniem, man. Wees nou es niet zo doorzichtig.
Het hele artikel gaat over de shoa, die slechts in die vorm kon bestaan door de diaspora. Ontmanteling van de staat Israël is in de ogen van de Joden identiek aan ophouden te bestaan. En ze hebben nog wel goeie redenen; de arabische wereld laat niets aan duidelijkheid te wensen over wat hun bedoelingen zijn.
(Wel bijzonder ironisch om te zien dat grote voorvechters van de Palestijnse staat wel heel gemakkelijk de conclusie trekken dat de Joden als volk prima zonder eigen staat en souvereiniteit kunnen.........)
En neem ook even de moeite in te gaan op de kern van de boodschap in dit artikel. Je zeilt op twee fronten langs de essentie heen; de bedoelingen van de westerse landen in WOII en de bedoelingen van de arabische wereld heden ten dage.
Ze hebben leergeld betaald en de prijs was onbetaalbaar.
Sharon ziet't haarscherp. Ik ben het dan ook geheel met hem eens.
met of zonder staat Israël, maakt geen verschil;
want de jodenhaat is al 1300 jaar voor de geboorte van de staat Israël pregnant duidelijk aanwezig in de geschriften van de Islam, zowel de koran als de "betrouwbare" hadiths,
mensen noem elkaar geen mietje,
t'is de schuld van de Islam !
http://www.maroc.nl/islam/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127279&pagenumber=1
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Hoe dan ook, het is hoog tijd voor De Grote Schoonmaak.
Roep dat maar niet te hard, Bush 2 is aan het verliezen en idioten in het nauw maken rare beslissingen. Een wereldoorlog is dichterbij dan wij denken.
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Roep dat maar niet te hard, Bush 2 is aan het verliezen en idioten in het nauw maken rare beslissingen. Een wereldoorlog is dichterbij dan wij denken.
Alles beter dan een onrechtvaardige vrede waarin de democratie zal knakken en breken en de mensheid knielen en degenereren.
Israel is niet instaat om een oorlog langer dan een maand te voeren. Het heeft geen industrie, demografie en geografie die het kunnen ondersteunen. Israel heeft een formidabele leger, maar een die tal van belemmeringen heeft.
Misschien, maar in de recente conventionele oorlogen hebben de arabieren hebben het nog nooit langer dan een maand volgehouden.
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Alles beter dan een onrechtvaardige vrede waarin de democratie zal knakken en breken en de mensheid knielen en degenereren.
Een echte doctor Strangelove spreekt :)
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Ja inderdaad, zij missen de (broodnodige) meedogenloosheid die bij de arabieren zo rijkelijk voorhanden is.
aha...en ik maar denken dat het Europeanen waren die het Joodse volk gastvrij en ruimhartig naar de gaskamers vervoerde.Dus de Holocaust is het werk van die enge arabieren.
Het is al decennia duidelijk wat de Arabische wereld daaronder verstaat. Uitroeïng van de joden en de joodse staat!
Wat uitroeien betreft heeft de Europeese bevolking hard zijn best gedaan dat voor elkaar te krijgen.wat was het getal ook al weer?
Juistem 16 miljoen.
Dus pleur ff op wil je....
Zwarte Schaap
26-01-05, 21:31
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Sharon: Holocaust kon niemand wat schelen
JERUZALEM - De wereld heeft geen vinger uitgestoken om de holocaust te stoppen. De shoah (totale uitroeiing) heeft de joden een les geleerd, namelijk dat ze alleen op zichzelf kunnen vertrouwen. Dat heeft de Israëlische premier Ariel Sharon woensdag gezegd in een toespraak in de Knesset, waar herdacht werd dat het donderdag zestig jaar geleden is dat het nazi-vernietigingskamp Auschwitz door het Rode Leger werd bevrijd.
Toen de nazi's in 1944 massaal joden uit Hongarije naar Auschwitz begonnen te deporteren, werden de spoorrails die naar het kamp in Polen leidden niet door de Geallieerden gebombardeerd, zo bracht Sharon in herinnering. De treinen konden ongestoord richting Auschwitz rijden en binnen de kortste keren werden meer dan 600.000 joden uit Hongarije in het kamp vermoord.
"De trieste en verschrikkelijke conclusie is dat het niemand wat kon schelen dat er joden werden vermoord. (...) vrienden en weldoeners staken geen vinger uit. Dat is de lering die de joden uit de holocaust hebben getrokken. De staat Israël heeft deze les geleerd en sinds zijn oprichting heeft Israël zichzelf en zijn bewoners verdedigd en verschaft het veiligheid aan joden overal ter wereld. Wij weten dat wij alleen op onszelf kunnen vertrouwen. Daarom moet de joodse staat altijd sterk blijven", aldus Sharon.
"Wij moeten er ons altijd van bewust zijn dat dit de enige plek ter wereld is waarin wij joden het recht en de macht hebben om onszelf op eigen kracht te verdedigen. Dat zullen wij nooit opgeven", aldus Sharon in zijn toespraak.
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De bekende truc wordt weer uit de grote hoed getoverd waarbij de echte slachtoffers worden misbruikt door Sharon de Zionistische slachter. De Holocaust wordt al jarenlang uitgemolken om steun voor Israel in Europa en de USA te kweken. Als je de ortodoxe joodse sites erop na leest zien ze dat de zionisten de arme joden lieten creperen en sterven om zo steun en medelijden te wekken voor de steun voor de oprichting van Israhel.
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
(Published by the author in 1948 and reprinted many times)
1.
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
4.
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations , a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7.
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9.
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.
These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.
These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.
AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.
What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship".
Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative!
A look into history reveals that this very same type of "statesmen" opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" rejected this appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now for the past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The Zionist "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' "Igeres Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of the Chasam Sofer.
IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.
Bron: http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Doc...enquestions.cfm
excerpt from Sefer Min Hametzar
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
The following is an excerpt from Sefer Min Hametzar (p-92) by Rabbi Michael Ber Weismandel OB"M. The excerpt is a literal translation of the letter the Jewish Rescue Committee in Czechoslovakia received from the Zionist "Jewish" Agency Executive Officers in Switzerland. This was in reply to the call of the Jewish Rescue Committee for help, with Documentary evidence furnished, concerning the fate of millions of Jewish people in Nazi occupied Europe.
"We are writing to remind you of the one factor of which you must never lose sight: that ultimately, the Allies will win the war. After their victory, territorial boundaries will be reshaped, as they were after the First World War. Then, the way will be clear for our purpose. At this time, with the war drawing to a close, we must do everything in our power to change Eretz Yisroel into Medinat Yisrael and many steps have already been taken in this regard. Therefore, we must turn a deaf ear to the pleas end cries emanating from Eastern Europe. Remember this: all the allies have suffered many losses, and if we also do not offer many human sacrifices, how can we gain the right to sit at the conference table when the territorial boundaries are reshaped? Accordingly, it is foolhardy and brazen for us to negotiate in terms of money or supplies in exchange for Jewish lives. How dare we ask of the allied powers to barter money for lives whilst they are sustaining heavy casualties daily? So, insofar as the masses are concerned: RAK B'DAM TIHJE LAKU HAAREZ, (Eretz Yisroel will be ours only by paying with blood), but as far as our immediate circle is concerned, ATEM TAJLU. The messenger bearing this letter will supply you with funds for this purpose."
After I accustomed myself to the peculiar writing, I trembled when I realized the import of RAK B'DAM TIHJE LANU HAAREZ. But many weeks passed, and I was still confounded by the meaning of ATEM TAJLU. Until one day, it struck me. ATEM TAJIU meant "You escape", for the word "tiyul" (walking trip) was used by them as a euphemistic code for "escape". They meant to say - you fifteen or twenty "party members", escape from Czechoslovakia and save your hides. The price of Eretz Yisroel is the blood of the men and women, hoary sages, and babes in arms, - but not YOUR blood! Let us not spoil this plan by giving the Axis powers money to save Jewish lives. But for you, comrades, I have enclosed carfare for your escape. What a nightmare! The Zionist agent "diplomat" comes to Czechoslovakia and says 'Now is a very critical time. But comparatively speaking, it is not at all critical for you trapped Jews. For there is an emergency of far greater proportions; namely, BINYAN HA-ARETZ (the prize of Modinat Yisrael). Shed your blood cheerfully, for your blood is cheap. But for your blood, the Land (of Israel) will be ours!
Bron: http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/RakBedam.cfm
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Wat let de Arabische landen dan? Nog niet over de grote domper die de zesdaagse oorlog heet heen zeker?.. In 73 was het voor Israel pompen of verzuipen! Zonder de Amerikaanse steun en Russische wapen embargo, was het bijna verloren.
Maar niet getreurd! Wij Arabieren kunnen ons een nederlaag permitteren!
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met of zonder staat Israël, maakt geen verschil;
want de jodenhaat is al 1300 jaar voor de geboorte van de staat Israël pregnant duidelijk aanwezig in de geschriften van de Islam, zowel de koran als de "betrouwbare" hadiths,
mensen noem elkaar geen mietje,
t'is de schuld van de Islam !
http://www.maroc.nl/islam/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127279&pagenumber=1 Holocaust was ook de schuld van de Islam! Of was het volgens de Rabijnen niet de schuld van de Joden die hun religieuze verplichtingen hadden verzaakt?
Wat zal het zijn, Yahudi?
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Holocaust was ook de schuld van de Islam! Of was het volgens de Rabijnen niet de schuld van de Joden die hun religieuze verplichtingen hadden verzaakt?
Wat zal het zijn, Yahudi?
In zekere zin allebei,
elk volk laadt zonde op zich, de jood niet uitgezonderd,
maar de schuld van de Islam ?
Het is in ieder geval ook de schuld van valse religie/ideologie, waarvan de Islam ontegenzeggelijk, gezien de "verkwikkende" aanslagen en kapingen uit naam van allah, eveneens een voorbeeld is !
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In zekere zin allebei,
elk volk laadt zonde op zich, de jood niet uitgezonderd,
maar de schuld van de Islam ?
Het is in ieder geval ook de schuld van valse religie/ideologie, waarvan de Islam ontegenzeggelijk, gezien de "verkwikkende" aanslagen en kapingen uit naam van allah, eveneens een voorbeeld is !
Dat is geen antwoordt op zijn vraag, beste Yahudi :rolleyes:
Of is het zo dat je niks te zeggen hebt en dat je baarlijke onzin uitkraampt?
hehe wat een fijn topic zeg! laten we met z'n allen lekker discussieren wie nou wie gaat uitroeien! :boos: wat zijn oorlogen toch fijn he :kotsen2:
beter wordt het daar gewoon vrede.. en dat betekent dat beide partijen hun koppigheid moeten verliezen. Israel is nu anno 2005 een feit, maar Israel onderdrukt wel een volk dat een eigen staat hoort te hebben. Abbas heeft al laten zien dat hij bereid is om te onderhandelen, nu moet Israel van zich laten horen.
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.......... Abbas heeft al laten zien dat hij bereid is om te onderhandelen, nu moet Israel van zich laten horen.
Telegraaf
Sharon 'zeer tevreden' over Abbas
JERUZALEM - De Israëlische premier Ariel Sharon is "zeer tevreden" over de maatregelen die de nieuwe Palestijnse president Mahmud Abbas heeft genomen. Sharon zei dat in een gesprek met de Israëlische krant Yediot Aharonot, die dat donderdag publiceerde.
"Het is duidelijk dat Abu Mazen (de bijnaam van Abbas) begint op te treden. Ik ben zeer tevreden over wat zich aan Palestijnse zijde afspeelt en ik wil graag met hem vooruit", citeerde de krant Sharon.
"Ik ben van plan een gebaar te maken naar Abu Mazen, maar ik houd mijn ogen open", voegde de Israëlische premier eraan toe. Een woordvoerder van Sharon heeft bevestigd dat het interview diens mening weergeeft.
Dit soort dingen?
Inderdaad dit is pas echt verkwikkend nieuws, hopelijk zien de gelovige fanatici, aan beide zijden, dat ook in !
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In zekere zin allebei,
elk volk laadt zonde op zich, de jood niet uitgezonderd, Dus dan was Hitl.er een Mesias die door Jaweh werd gestuurd?
maar de schuld van de Islam ?
Het is in ieder geval ook de schuld van valse religie/ideologie, waarvan de Islam ontegenzeggelijk, gezien de "verkwikkende" aanslagen en kapingen uit naam van allah, eveneens een voorbeeld is ! Wat heeft te maken met antisemitisme? Of zit je te ijlen?
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Dus dan was Hitl.er een Mesias die door Jaweh werd gestuurd Hoe grof kun je worden? :verdriet:
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In 73 was het voor Israel pompen of verzuipen! Zonder de Amerikaanse steun en Russische wapen embargo, was het bijna verloren.
Maar niet getreurd! Wij Arabieren kunnen ons een nederlaag permitteren!
Dat moet ook wel.
Geplaatst door Zwarte Schaap
De bekende truc wordt weer uit de grote hoed getoverd waarbij de echte slachtoffers worden misbruikt door Sharon de Zionistische slachter. De Holocaust wordt al jarenlang uitgemolken om steun voor Israel in Europa en de USA te kweken. Als je de ortodoxe joodse sites erop na leest zien ze dat de zionisten de arme joden lieten creperen en sterven om zo steun en medelijden te wekken voor de steun voor de oprichting van Israhel.
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
(Published by the author in 1948 and reprinted many times)
1.
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
4.
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations , a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7.
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9.
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.
These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.
These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.
AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.
What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship".
Under the guise of "love of Israel", the Zionist "statesmen" seduced many Jews to replace devotion to the Torah and its Sages with devotion to the scoundrel who founded Zionism. It is of no little significance that Herzl originally sought conversion of the Jews as a solution to the problems of the Diaspora. When he realized that this was not acceptable to the Jewish masses, he contrived Zionism as a satisfactory alternative!
A look into history reveals that this very same type of "statesmen" opposed the call of Jeremiah the prophet to yield to the minions of Nebuchadnezzar at the destruction of the first Temple. Five centuries later, Rabbi Yochonon Ben Zakai appealed to the people to surrender to Titus the Roman to avoid bloodshed. The "statesmen" rejected this appeal, and the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. --- And now for the past fifty years, the Zionist "statesmen" rebuff the leadership of our Sages; and continue in their policy of fomenting anti-Semitism. When will they stop?? Must every Jew in America also suffer?? - Even the Nazi monsters had more sense, and gave up their war before all Germany was destroyed. The Zionist "statesmen" ridicule the sacred oath which the Creator placed upon the Jews in the Diaspora. Our Torah, in Tractate Ksubos, folio 111, specifies that the Creator, blessed be He, swore the Jews not to occupy the Holy Land by force, even if it appears that they have the force to do so; and not rebel against the Nations. And the Creator warned that if His oath be desecrated, Jewish flesh would be "open property", like the animals in the forest!! These are words of our Torah; and these concepts have been cited in Maimonides' "Igeres Teimon", "Be'er HaGola", "Ahavas Yehonosson", and in "Toras Moshe" of the Chasam Sofer.
IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.
Bron: http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Doc...enquestions.cfm
excerpt from Sefer Min Hametzar
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
The following is an excerpt from Sefer Min Hametzar (p-92) by Rabbi Michael Ber Weismandel OB"M. The excerpt is a literal translation of the letter the Jewish Rescue Committee in Czechoslovakia received from the Zionist "Jewish" Agency Executive Officers in Switzerland. This was in reply to the call of the Jewish Rescue Committee for help, with Documentary evidence furnished, concerning the fate of millions of Jewish people in Nazi occupied Europe.
"We are writing to remind you of the one factor of which you must never lose sight: that ultimately, the Allies will win the war. After their victory, territorial boundaries will be reshaped, as they were after the First World War. Then, the way will be clear for our purpose. At this time, with the war drawing to a close, we must do everything in our power to change Eretz Yisroel into Medinat Yisrael and many steps have already been taken in this regard. Therefore, we must turn a deaf ear to the pleas end cries emanating from Eastern Europe. Remember this: all the allies have suffered many losses, and if we also do not offer many human sacrifices, how can we gain the right to sit at the conference table when the territorial boundaries are reshaped? Accordingly, it is foolhardy and brazen for us to negotiate in terms of money or supplies in exchange for Jewish lives. How dare we ask of the allied powers to barter money for lives whilst they are sustaining heavy casualties daily? So, insofar as the masses are concerned: RAK B'DAM TIHJE LAKU HAAREZ, (Eretz Yisroel will be ours only by paying with blood), but as far as our immediate circle is concerned, ATEM TAJLU. The messenger bearing this letter will supply you with funds for this purpose."
After I accustomed myself to the peculiar writing, I trembled when I realized the import of RAK B'DAM TIHJE LANU HAAREZ. But many weeks passed, and I was still confounded by the meaning of ATEM TAJLU. Until one day, it struck me. ATEM TAJIU meant "You escape", for the word "tiyul" (walking trip) was used by them as a euphemistic code for "escape". They meant to say - you fifteen or twenty "party members", escape from Czechoslovakia and save your hides. The price of Eretz Yisroel is the blood of the men and women, hoary sages, and babes in arms, - but not YOUR blood! Let us not spoil this plan by giving the Axis powers money to save Jewish lives. But for you, comrades, I have enclosed carfare for your escape. What a nightmare! The Zionist agent "diplomat" comes to Czechoslovakia and says 'Now is a very critical time. But comparatively speaking, it is not at all critical for you trapped Jews. For there is an emergency of far greater proportions; namely, BINYAN HA-ARETZ (the prize of Modinat Yisrael). Shed your blood cheerfully, for your blood is cheap. But for your blood, the Land (of Israel) will be ours!
Bron: http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/RakBedam.cfm
Vriendelijk verzoek: plaats geen teksten die je zelf niet begrijpt.
Zwarte Schaap
30-01-05, 00:15
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Vriendelijk verzoek: plaats geen teksten die je zelf niet begrijpt. Het enige waar je wat over te zeggen hebt is je eigen begrip. Als jij het begijpt ben ik dik tevreden.
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Het enige waar je wat over te zeggen hebt is je eigen begrip. Als jij het begijpt ben ik dik tevreden.
Als jij het zou hebben begrepen had je een korte samenvatting geplaatst. Het feit dat je dat vermijdt spreekt voor mij boekdelen.
Zwarte Schaap
30-01-05, 00:27
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Als jij het zou hebben begrepen had je een korte samenvatting geplaatst. Het feit dat je dat vermijdt spreekt voor mij boekdelen.
Ik ga ervan uit dat geintresseerden het lezen en begrijpen, doe je dat niet dan kunnen jij en ik er niet over discusseren.
Ik ga niet discusseren over het feit of ik wel of niet begrijp. Ik zou zeggen lees het maar en treed dan pas met mij in discussie.
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Ik ga ervan uit dat geintresseerden het lezen en begrijpen, doe je dat niet dan kunnen jij en ik er niet over discusseren.
Ik ga niet discusseren over het feit of ik wel of niet begrijp. Ik zou zeggen lees het maar en treed dan pas met mij in discussie.
Petje af hoor. Je laat je echt van je meest communcatieve kant zien. Als ik het goed begrijp interesseert het jou niet of mensen begrijpen wat jij plaatst. Vroeger maakten we dit niet mee ten noorden van Gibraltar.
Zwarte Schaap
30-01-05, 00:40
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Petje af hoor. Je laat je echt van je meest communciatieve kant zien. Als ik het goed begrijp interesseert het jou niet of mensen begrijpen wat jij plaatst. Vroeger maakten we dit niet mee ten noorden van Gibraltar.
Als je het begrijpt kun je met mij daarover in discussie treden, begrijp je het niet pech gehad, maar ga mijn tijd niet verdoen met praten over of ik of anderen het wel begrijpen.
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Als je het begrijpt kun je met mij daarover in discussie treden, begrijp je het niet pech gehad, maar ga mijn tijd niet verdoen met praten over of ik of anderen het wel begrijpen.
Als jij vindt dat ik jouw tijd verdoe, dan verdoe je zelf je tijd nog erger door je in te spannen om mij antwoord te geven.
Zwarte Schaap
30-01-05, 00:44
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Als jij vindt dat ik jouw tijd verdoe, dan verdoe je zelf je tijd nog erger door je in te spannen met mij antwoord te geven.
Ik ben zo vriendelijk om het je uit te leggen, en dat heeft natuurlijk ook een einde.
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Ik ben zo vriendelijk om het je uit te leggen, en dat heeft natuurlijk ook een einde.
Ik heb nog helemaal geen uitleg van je gezien. Alleen dat je een Engelse tekst geplakt hebt.
knuppeltje
30-01-05, 14:59
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Die zaken zijn in de praktijk synoniem, man. Wees nou es niet zo doorzichtig.
Het hele artikel gaat over de shoa, die slechts in die vorm kon bestaan door de diaspora. Ontmanteling van de staat Israël is in de ogen van de Joden identiek aan ophouden te bestaan. En ze hebben nog wel goeie redenen; de arabische wereld laat niets aan duidelijkheid te wensen over wat hun bedoelingen zijn.
(Wel bijzonder ironisch om te zien dat grote voorvechters van de Palestijnse staat wel heel gemakkelijk de conclusie trekken dat de Joden als volk prima zonder eigen staat en souvereiniteit kunnen.........)
En neem ook even de moeite in te gaan op de kern van de boodschap in dit artikel. Je zeilt op twee fronten langs de essentie heen; de bedoelingen van de westerse landen in WOII en de bedoelingen van de arabische wereld heden ten dage.
Ze hebben leergeld betaald en de prijs was onbetaalbaar.
Sharon ziet't haarscherp. Ik ben het dan ook geheel met hem eens.
Ja en zo hebben wij in Europa na WO2 onze schuld aan de Joden op de Pallestijnen afgewenteld, waren wij mooi van af en die Pallestijnen zien maar.
Hoe rechtvaardig allemmaal!!!!!!!!!!!!
De staat Israel is destijds de plaatselijke bevolking door de strot gdrukt door westerse mogendheden. Een Joodse staat, waar de Joden het voor het zeggen zouden hebben als compensatie voor al het leed dat hun was aangedaan. Er wodt geschermd met het argument dat Israel de enige democratie is in het midden-oosten. Maar een staat waar verschillende godsdiensten worden beleden-zoals in Israel-maar waar aanhangers van een godsdienst de politiek in de tang heeft en andere groepen volkomen marginaliseerd, zo'n staat is net zo min democratiesch als een Moslimstaat met de zelfde gewoontes. Israel een democratie noemen is daarom een ware godspee.
De hoofdreden dat die Pallestijnen-die voor het oorlogsgeweld zijn gevlucht-nog steeds niet naar huis mogen is niet omdat er geen plaats voor hen zou zijn, in tegendeel.
De ware reden is dat dan de getalsverhouding zo als die nu al is tussen de Joden en anderen nog meer in hun nadeel uitpakt. Nu is er volgens onze spelregels al geen democratie in Israel, Maar hoe zou het zijn als al die Pallestijnse vluchtelingen naar huis gaan en de Joden dan nog steeds Israel een Joodse indentiteit willen geven?
Ook oorspronkelijke Joodse bewoners van Pallestina hebben het steeds berouwd dat die staat er is gekomen. Maar kunnen we nu de klok helemaal terug draaien? Ik denk het niet.
Maar indien Israel zijn Joodse indentiteit niet opgeeft en alle burgers-inclusief die in de bezette gebieden-gelijke rechten geeft, Joods of Pallestijn of wie dan ook, zullen we iets anders moeten bedenken.
Mijn voorkeur gaat dan uit naar twee levensvatbare staten. De Joodse hebben we al. De Pallestijnse zal dan moeten bestaan uit beide bezette gebieden met een flinke verbindins-corridoor die zorgt dat er een ongedeelde Pallestijnse staat is die ook alle vluchtelingen kan opnemem.
Jeruzalem, het verhaal op zich, kan een internationale status krijgen waar VN troepen de controle uitoefenen. Is zeer werkzaam en kost de gemeenschap vrij weinig. Berlijn heeft zo jarenlang gewerkt.
Laat ons niet vergeten dat er al jaren een resolutie ligt die Israel opdraagt de bezette gebieden aan de Pallestijnen over te dragen. Dat dit met de hulp van Amerika nog steeds niet is gebeur is een schande.
Hiervoor en voor al het land dat de Joden hebben gepikt gun ik de Pallestijnen die ruime corridoor tussen de beide gebieden.
Maar als de Joden In Israel dan nog niet elke burger gelijke rechten geeft is het ook dan nog steeds geen democratie. Het is aan de Pallestijnen dan in hun staat om te bewijzen dat zij het wel kunnen.
De groeten.
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Hoe grof kun je worden? :verdriet: Ik redeneer geheel volgens de gedachtegang van Yahudi.
A Review of The Remnant
(After the Slaughter)
By Gary DeMar
"THE PROPHET Zechariah quoted our Lord God himself, speaking of the land of Israel, that ‘two-thirds of it shall be cut off and die, but one-third shall be left in it. I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name and I will answer them. I will say, "This is My people," And each one will say, "The Lord is my god."’"1
"Have you heard the news reports? Jews are returning to Israel. This is one of the predicted signs that Jesus is coming soon!"
"According to what you believe, what happens to the Jews living in Israel after the rapture and during the Great Tribulation?"
"I'm not sure I understand."
"You're excited that Jews are returning to Israel?"
"Yes. It's all part of God's prophetic plan."
"Why are you excited when two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel during the Great Tribulation will be slaughtered? This means that two of every three immigrants will be killed by the antichrist. Why not mount a campaign to get Jews out of Israel instead of encouraging them to return to their homeland?"
"I've never heard any of this before. Are you sure this is what Tim LaHaye teaches?"
"Absolutely."
* * * * * *
Tim LaHaye believes that the events of Zechariah 13:7–9 and Matthew 24 were not fulfilled in the events leading up to and including the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70. He and others believe that these prophecies await a future fulfillment during the Great Tribulation that follows a pre-tribulational rapture. While the Roman destruction of Israel's temple in A.D. 70, the slaughter of nearly a million Jews, and the enslavement of tens of thousands was horrible, it was not the Great Tribulation that is to come. LaHaye claims that Israel awaits yet another holocaust out of which a "remnant" will be saved. Here's what LaHaye's Prophecy Study Bible says on this issue:
Prior to Israel's conversion, Zechariah predicts that two-thirds ("two parts") of the Jewish people in the land will perish during the tribulation period. Only one third of the Jewish population will survive until Christ comes to establish His kingdom on earth.2
What many people who read LaHaye's The Remnant fail to grasp is that two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel today will be slaughtered, and for every three Jews who decide to make Israel their home in the future, two will be killed during the Great Tribulation. Only the "survivors of the Tribulation period will go up to Jerusalem annually to worship."3 To make this point, Charles Ryrie writes in The Living End that the Bible predicts a future holocaust for Israel. "Jacob's trouble is that coming period of distress described by Jesus as He spoke to His disciples on the Mount of Olives. Jeremiah labeled it ‘Jacob's trouble’ and said it would be unique in all history (Jeremiah 30:7). Jesus called it a period of unprecedented tribulation (Matthew 24:21) this will be the time of Israel’s greatest bloodbath."4 LaHaye and his associate Thomas Ice write about the "rescue of Israel" during this future period of tribulation. The rescue comes only after "Israel's greatest bloodbath" with no warning from Christians who believe it's going to happen. John F. Walvoord follows a similar line of interpretation:
The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: “And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried” (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah’s prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah.5
According to LaHaye, Jews living in Israel "now number over six million."6 If two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel at the time of the Great Tribulation are to die, this will mean the death of four million! In addition, there is continued immigration from the former Soviet Union and the "lost" Jews of Ethiopia, supposedly remnants of the tribe of Dan. Financial support is raised by Christian organizations like "On Wings of Eagles" to fund Jewish immigration whose efforts they claim is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. “’This is a biblical issue,’ says Theodore T. Beckett, a Colorado developer who founded the Christian-sponsored, adopt-a-settlement program. ‘The Bible says in the last days the Jews will be restored to the nation of Israel.’”7 Bishop Huey Harris of the First Pentecostal Tabernacle Church expressed the sentiment of many who hold to LaHaye's end-time remnant scenario: "What I'm seeing [in the return of Jews to Israel] is the Scriptures being fulfilled right before our very eyes. What's next? I'm looking for the church to be raptured, Jesus returning for the church . . . and Jews would receive him as their Messiah."8 What Bishop Harris fails to mention is that before the Jews receive Jesus as their Messiah, sixty-six percent of them will be killed during the Great Tribulation. Why isn't LaHaye warning Jews now living in Israel about this pre-determined holocaust by encouraging them to leave Israel until the conflagration is over? Instead, we find those who hold to LaHaye's position supporting relocation efforts of Jews to the land of Israel that will mean certain death for a majority of them because it's a "fulfillment of Bible prophecy."
Eugene Merrill, following a position similar to that of LaHaye, describes how a future holocaust of the Jews is in view in Zechariah 14:2:
The restoration and dominion cannot come until all the forces of evil that seek to subvert it are put down once and for all. Specifically, the redemption of Israel will be accomplished on the ruins of her own suffering and those of the malevolent powers of this world that, in the last day, will consolidate themselves against her and seek to interdict forever any possibility of her success. The nations of the whole earth will come against Jerusalem, and, having defeated her, will divide up their spoils of war in her very midst.9
Zechariah is describing events in the first century, in the generation of Jews who heard Jesus' prophecy about the soon destruction of Jerusalem. The Jews living in Israel between A.D. 30 and 70 were repeatedly warned to "flee from the wrath to come" (Matt. 3:7) and to “flee to the mountains” (Matt. 24:16) when they saw certain prophetic events take place in their day. The New Testament is filled with warnings about the coming A.D. 70 judgment on Judea with no encouragement for Jews to take up residence in Jerusalem. Peter warned his countrymen to be "saved from this perverse generation" (Acts 2:40). Many sold their "property and possessions" in anticipation of a coming judgment that would affect them in their day (Acts 2:45). In fact, there was a mass exodus from the city by those who understood the world-wide implications of the gospel message and the approaching destruction of what was the center of Jewish worship (John 4:21-24; cf. Acts 8:1). Those who remained in Jerusalem were given one last forty-year chance to escape the promised firestorm (Matt. 24:15).
The danger in LaHaye's futuristic view is obvious: When Jews are killed today, it's to be expected. It becomes a prophetic inevitability. Dwight Wilson, author of Armageddon Now!, convincingly demonstrates that a view similar to LaHaye's advocated a “hands off” policy regarding Nazi persecutions of the Jews during World War II. Since, according to this prophetic position, “the Gentile nations are permitted to afflict Israel in chastisement for her national sins,” there is little that should be done to oppose it.10 Wilson writes that “It is regrettable that this view allowed premillennialists to expect the phenomenon of ‘anti-Semitism’ and tolerate it matter-of-factly.”11
Wilson describes “premillenarian views” opposing “anti-Semitism” in the mid-thirties and thereafter as “ambivalent.”12 There was little moral outcry “among the premillenarians . . . against the persecution, since they had been expecting it.”13 He continues:
Another comment regarding the general European anti-Semitism depicted these developments as part of the on-going plan of God for the nation; they were “Foregleams of Israel’s Tribulation.” Premillennialists were anticipating the Great Tribulation, “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” Therefore, they predicted, “The next scene in Israel’s history may be summed up in three words: purification through tribulation.” It was clear that although this purification was part of the curse, God did not intend that Christians should participate in it. Clear, also, was the implication that He did intend for the Germans to participate in it (in spite of the fact that it would bring them punishment)—and that any moral outcry against Germany would have been in opposition to God’s will. In such a fatalistic system, to oppose Hitler was to oppose God.14
Wilson maintains that it was the dispensational (premillennial) view of a predicted Jewish persecution prior to the Second Coming that led to a “hands off” policy when it came to speaking out against virulent “anti-Semitism.” “For the premillenarian, the massacre of Jewry expedited his blessed hope. Certainly he did not rejoice over the Nazi holocaust, he just fatalistically observed it as a ‘sign of the times.’”15 LaHaye's The Remnant does not encourage anti-semitism or Jewish persecution, but it does expect it based on a misreading of the timing of certain prophetic passages.
Conclusion
The Bible shows that the events described in Matthew 24 were fulfilled in the first century and fell upon the generation of Jews who “did not recognize the time of [their] visitation” (Luke 19:44) and crucified “the Lord of glory” (1 Cor. 2:8). How do we know this? Because Jesus told us: “Truly I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation” (Matt. 23:36 and 24:34). Jesus does not have a future generation in mind.
Unfortunately, by futurizing the Zechariah 13:7–9 prophecy beyond its first-century-context, Jews are always under a cloud of inevitable end-time judgment. Non-Christian writers are beginning to understand the implication's of LaHaye's "remnant theology":
Convinced that a nuclear Armageddon is an inevitable event within the divine scheme of things, many evangelical dispensationalists have committed themselves to a course for Israel that, by their own admission, will lead directly to a holocaust indescribably more savage and widespread than any vision of carnage that could have generated in Adolf Hitler’s criminal mind.16
It is time to recognize that many biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. Zechariah 13:7–9 is one of them. Those Jews living in Judea at the time after Jesus' ascension and fled the city before the assault on the temple were saved (Matt. 24:15–22). Forty years of preaching gave them ample time to escape the predicted slaughter.
Notes
[1].Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, The Remnant: On the Brink of Armageddon (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale Publishers, 2002), 342.
[2].Tim LaHaye, gen. ed., Prophecy Study Bible (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000), 991, note on Zechariah 13:7–9.
[3].LaHaye, Prophecy Study Bible, 991, note on Zechariah 14:9–21.
[4].Charles Caldwell Ryrie, The Living End (Old Tappan, NJ: Revell, 1976), 81. “A Bloodbath for Israel” is the title of chapter 8. This title was revised and given the new title The Best is Yet to Come, but apparently not for Israel (90).
[5].John F. Walvoord, Israel in Prophecy (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan/Academie, [1962] 1988), 108.
[6].Tim LaHaye and Thomas Ice, Charting the End Times: A Visual Guide to Understanding Bible Prophecy (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 2001), 91.
[7].Ann LoLordo, “Evangelical Christians Come to Jews’ Aid,” Atlanta Constitution (August 8, 1997), A8.
[8].Jayson Keyser, "American Jews Arrive in Israel," (July 10, 2002). An Associated Press story.
[9].Eugene H. Merrill, An Exegetical Commentary: Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi (Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1994), 342.
[10].Dwight Wilson, Armageddon Now!: The Premillenarian Response to Russia and Israel Since 1917 (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1977), Reprinted by the Institute for Christian Economics in 1991 with an updated foreword by the author.
[11].Wilson, Armageddon Now!, 16.
[13].Wilson, Armageddon Now!, 94.
[14].Wilson, Armageddon Now!, 94. Emphasis added.
[15].Wilson, Armageddon Now!, 95.
[16].Grace Halsell, Prophecy and Politics: Militant Evangelists on the Road to Nuclear War (Westport, CT: Lawrence Hill & Co., 1986), 195.
Hebben Joden die geloven in de komst van een Messias eigenlijk ook zoiets als Openbaringen in het Nieuwe Testament?
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Hebben Joden die geloven in de komst van een Messias eigenlijk ook zoiets als Openbaringen in het Nieuwe Testament?
Zacharia 13
6 En wanneer zo iemand gevraagd wordt: ‘Hoe kom je dan aan die striemen op je rug?’ (die wonden onder uw handen [statenvertaling]), dan zal hij antwoorden: ‘Die heb ik opgelopen in het huis van mijn meesters.’
7 Zwaard, ontwaak! Verhef je tegen mijn herder, tegen de man met wie ik mij verbonden heb – spreekt de HEER van de hemelse machten. Dood de herder, zodat de schapen verdwalen. Weerloos als ze zijn zal ik ze treffen. 8 In heel het land – spreekt de HEER van de hemelse machten – zal twee derde worden uitgeroeid en omkomen; slechts een derde deel zal worden gespaard. 9 Dat deel zal ik louteren in het vuur: ik zal hen smelten als zilver en zuiveren als goud. Zij zullen mijn naam aanroepen en ik zal antwoorden. Ik zal zeggen: ‘Dit is mijn volk,’ en zij zullen zeggen: ‘De HEER is onze God.’
Het was zeker niet die ene jood die heeft moeten lijden voor het bewijs van de waarheid van G-d, maar het hele uitverkoren joodse volk.
zij zouden een soort gedenkteken vormen voor de ontkenning van hun G-d op aarde de messias Jezus.
Deze Jezus maakte het jodendom eeuwig en universeel (seculariseerde deze godsdienst met die van alle volkeren van de wereld, zoals de offerplaats van JWH en Ahora Mazda via Cyrus door de werken van Esdra werden verbonden en teruggebracht naar Jeruzalem) en maakte het toegankelijk voor alle volkeren,
maar ironisch genoeg werd Zijn volk juist zelf slachtoffer van rascisme en exlucisme van bloed en viel in haar eigen val, als gedenkteken Yad Vashem !!
dit Gedenkteken heeft G-d tot op zekere hoogte zo gewild, gezien de woorden die 7 eeuwen voor de geboorte van Zijn Herder, Jezus door Hem zijn uitgesproken in zacharia 13 en nog veel meer joodse geschriften van voor Jezus, zoals Jeremia en Jesaja.
met of zonder joodse afstamming,
ieder mens kan uitverkoren geestelijk joods zijn !
want al ben je joods besneden en van adelijk joodse afstamming, wanneer je niet geestelijk uitverkoren jood bent, ben je niets !
Romeinen 2: 28 - 29
De besnijdenis baat de Joden niet
Want niet hij is een Jood, die het uiterlijk is, en niet dát is besnijdenis, wat uiterlijk, aan het vlees geschiedt, maar hij is een Jood, die het in het verborgene is, en de ware besnijdenis is die van het hart, naar de Geest niet naar de letter.
Dan komt zijn lof niet van mensen maar van God !
THE AGENDA OF ISLAM -
A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS
by Professor Moshe Sharon
THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS
by Professor Moshe Sharon
There is no Fundamental Islam:
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the Word of the Bible.
Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam.
There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.
All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the
speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western
politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none
of them know how to read a word of Arabic.
The Language of Islam:
You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak
about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and
fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of our professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game
in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language
of Islam.
Driving Principles of Islam:
Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that
there is only one G-D.
But it's not enough to say that there is only one G-D. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one G-D and
Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem.
But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs
the individual, society and nations with rules of behavior. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam
which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
The Bible:
Let me explain the difference.
The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar,
and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in
two ways.
In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve G-D.
That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.
The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of
salvation, which, time to time, meet each other.
But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by G-D, Himself, Who leads a
person through His Word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament.
All of the Laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed towards this fact of salvation.
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of
G-D. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of G-D. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and
turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the Name of G-D and in the Name of Jesus. But as religions,
both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honoring the image of G-D and the hope of salvation. These
are the two basic fundamentals.
The Essence of Islam:
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.
Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the
end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own Land, ruled by its own King and serving G-D.
Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about
ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah
sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."
The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be
subdued under the rule of Islam.
When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules
that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real
legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of
course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.
Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems:
Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were
Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and
Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic
history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.
Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of revelation. Moses, brought
the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.
The Bible Versus the Koran:
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?
Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have
been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely
destroyed by war [for now].
Nevertheless, the laws are very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live
under Islamic rule provided they keep the rules that Islam promulgates for them.
Islamic Rule and Jihad:
What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting
is calling Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's Jihad. They
may be Jews;' They may be Christians; They may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many of Polytheists left, at
least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.
A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by Bin Laden. He calls for Jihad against America as the
leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with
their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia where no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about
Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.
Two Houses:
The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to
come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts
studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar Al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules -
and the other part which is called Dar Al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war."
It is this house of war which has to be at the end of time conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until
it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. G-D has sent Mohammed with
the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.
Islamic Law:
Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very
strict. In fundamentals there are no differences between schools of law.
However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws.
All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The strictest school of law is called
Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the
Koran speaks about war, then it's war.
There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very
enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet
that women and children should not be killed in war. These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very
important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of
the terrorist powers. Even as we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting
against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.
Islam and Territory:
This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule
cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under
Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.
This is why whenever you hear about the Arab / Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects
to the conflict, but territory is highly important.
The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final
goal for which it was created.
Islam was created to be the army of G-D, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem
that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important -
this is an eternal war between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it was created by Allah.
Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.
Islam and Peace:
Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; Peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.
With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease-fire until Moslems can gain
more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations
can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent which,
incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.
Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe what you are reading! You would think that you
were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are
actually acquainted with Islam policies and civilization.
A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in
which he apologized saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have
obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing
exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."
Whatever the prophet is supposed to have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of
Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for ten years. But then he trained 10,000
soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.
Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it becomes a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace with a maximum
of ten years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the Jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].
In Israel, it has taken over fifty years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent]
peace with Moslems. It will take another fifty years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war
with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are
not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.
Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice:
What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice.
Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted
a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers hear
these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of
politics."
Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we
haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will
use it. I have no doubt about that.
Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is
the major component of an Israeli / Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relationship
between Israel and the Arab world in the last fifty years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea,
the deterrent power.
Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War:
The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries.
Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.
What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?
Islamic Infiltration:
Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but
there's also war by infiltration.
One of the things which the western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in
the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if
America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war most likely in an atomic war - inside
the U.S.
End of Days:
It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly
what is the vision of the end of days.
In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not
have anymore need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the Kingdom of G-D on earth.
Christianity goes so far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's
the vision.
I'm speaking now as a historian. I tried to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world
that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.
Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by
somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.
The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where
all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in
school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah
will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without
this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.
Is There A Possibility To End This Dance of War?
The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibilty to end this dance
of war?
The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have
relative quiet.
But for Islam, the establishment of the State of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away
from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel-Aviv
is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem.
Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent State. It is Anathema.
And (this is the worst) Israel, a non-Moslem State, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule
over Moslems.
I believe that western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know.
Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and
Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians
who see this as the road to salvation.