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Spoetnik
20-03-05, 17:45
Greece in revolt as scandals sweep the Orthodox church
Helena Smith in Athens
Sunday March 20, 2005
The Observer

Archbishop Christodoulos, head of the Greek Orthodox Church, is facing trying times. Last week, Greece's newly inaugurated President, Karolos Papoulias, spurned tradition by refusing to kiss him.

Days earlier, his closest confidant, Theoklitos, the Bishop of Thessaliotis, resigned amid accusations of homosexuality and drug dealing. And yesterday, after weeks of calls for his own withdrawal, the whiff of scandal came closer still - ensnaring his mentor, Metropolitan Bishop Kallinikos, with yet more claims of sexual impropriety. Growing numbers of the faithful have begun to wonder whether their fiery leader will survive 'Holygate'.

'There is no doubt that this crisis has blackened the face of the church,' said the conservative daily Kathimerini. 'Those who thought that the corruption scandals and shady intrigue bedevilling it were just a passing phase have been forced to reconsider.'

The revelations are mind-boggling. Almost daily, men once revered as paragons of virtue have been exposed as lascivious money-grabbers. Recorded conversations of eminent clerics engaging in 'love talk' have been broadcast on television, secret bank accounts revealed, and malfeasance unearthed, with priests emerging as central players in activities as disparate as trial-fixing, antiquities smuggling and election rigging. Highlighting a raft of lurid sexual claims, one newspaper splashed what was purported to be a 91-year-old priest in bed with a woman across its front page.

'In many ways, the Greek Orthodox Church has been revealed for what it is: a completely amoral and unethical multinational company,' said Nikos Dimou, author of the best-selling book The Misery of Being Greek .

At first, the archbishop reacted by pledging a wide-ranging 'self-catharsis' to clean up the church's sullied image. Addressing an extraordinary meeting of the Holy Synod, the institu tion's governing body of bishops, he conceded that reforms were clearly necessary to counter 'our apparent lust and greed'.

But despite the measures, the drama refused to die down. Forced to admit his own links with a priest imprisoned on charges of stealing icons and manipulating court judgments, the 66-year-old archbishop was quickly drawn into the scandal. Subsequent revelations of his connections with Apostolos Vavilis, a convicted drugs smuggler whom he endorsed in a glowing letter of recommendation, sparked protest from within his own ranks.

'There is no other solution ... the only thing left for the archbishop to do is resign,' insisted Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Zakynthos, a long-time rival.

Previously, Christodoulos had denied he ever meeting Vavilis, whom he is accused of employing to ensure that Patriarch Eirinaios of Jerusalem was elected to his post in 2001.

As the biggest landowner in the Middle East - the Israeli parliament and presidential palace are built on plots owned by the Orthodox patriarchate - insiders say the archbishop was keen to see his confidant win the seat.

Vavilis has since admitted circulating homoerotic pictures of Eirinaios's main opponent, a dirty trick that ensured his defeat. In another embarrassing step, Eirinaios conceded that Christodoulos had sent the wanted drugs smuggler to lobby for him.

Inevitably, the archbishop's popularity has been badly dented. Parish priests have added their voices to the growing chorus of demands that he step down. 'There are sacrifices that must be made,' said Efstathios Kollas, who heads the union of priests. 'The archbishop, if he loves the church, must make this sacrifice.'

But Christodoulos has vehemently refused to resign. He is, he says, 'determined to lead the effort to clean up the church'.

As the allegations have mounted, so have calls for a separation of church and state. Priests in Greece are paid by the government.

With the Holy Synod due to launch an inquiry into claims that the archbishop's mentor, Bishop Kallinikos, made sexual overtures to a male cantor, and the net closing on Vavilis, those calls are bound to get louder. 'Greeks are not particularly religious,' said Dimou. 'But the church is like the Greek flag, a symbol of their identity.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1441811,00.html

TonH
20-03-05, 22:21
Geplaatst door Spoetnik
Greece in revolt as scandals sweep the Orthodox church
Helena Smith in Athens
Sunday March 20, 2005
The Observer

Archbishop Christodoulos, head of the Greek Orthodox Church, is facing trying times. Last week, Greece's newly inaugurated President, Karolos Papoulias, spurned tradition by refusing to kiss him.



Ik zou graag zeggen: prachtig, maar dit is absolute bullshit...:moe:

Vandaag:

Speaking to Archbishop Christodoulos and the members of the Holy Synod at the official lunch held in their honour, to celebrate the feast of Orthodox Sunday, the President of the Hellenic Republic referred to the confusion of roles and authorities between Church and State. In addition, Karolos Papoulias personally expressed his wishes to the Archbishop that he may respond to society’s demand for purging and a return to the values of Christianity, such as humility and solidarity. Archbishop Christodoulos assured the President of the Hellenic Republic that the Church of Greece knows the roles as defined by the Constitution and the Church’s Charter, and always wishes to remain within the established boundaries.

http://www.ert.gr/site/news/photos/img70x70/2005/3/papoulias_xristodoulos.jpg


Unpleasant and Dangerous Consequences

The President of the Republic noted that unilateral violations of the established boundaries between Church and State can have unpleasant and dangerous consequences.

Archbishop Christodoulos also assured Mr Papoulias that the Church will always be at his side, saying; "I pray that God may light your work."

TonH
20-03-05, 22:56
En nog één:

Celebrations for Orthodox Sunday 20 Mar 2005 13:24:00

By Annita Paschalinou
Sources: NET

With a ceremony in the Cathedral, which was attended by the new President of the Hellenic Republic, Karolos Papoulias, Orthodox Sunday was celebrated today. Officiating in the Mass was the Archbishop of Athens and all of Greece Christodoulos, and it was also attended by members of the government, MPs and representatives of social bodies. Karolos Papoulias then hosted a lunch in honour of the Archbishop and the members of the Holy Synod. This morning, a festive Mass for Orthodox Sunday was celebrated in the Cathedral Church of St George in Fanari by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew. The government was represented by the Minister for Macedonia and Thrace, Nikolaos Tsiartsionis, while MP Petros Efthimiou attended for PASOK.

Ceremony in the Cathedral
http://www.ert.gr/site/news/photos/img70x70/2005/3/KyriakiOrthdoxias.jpg

During the Mass at the Cathedral, the President of the Hellenic Republic read the Creed and the Our Father.

In statements as he left the Cathedral, the Archbishop referred to the significance of today’s feast, noting that "the martyrs of the Orthodox faith are examples for us."

Metropolitan Bishop Dorotheos of Samos underlined the significance of the events commemorated today, identifying them with the crisis in the Church, while Metropolitan Bishop Simeon of Nea Smyrni stated that today is a collective day.

The Speaker of Parliament Anna Psarouda Benaki attended the Mass in the Cathedral, while the government was represented by the Minister for Education and Religious Affairs Marietta Giannakou and the Minister of Development Dimitris Sioufas. On behalf of PASOK, MP Christos Papoutsis attended, as did MEP and President of LAOS Giorgos Karatzaferis.

On Kallinikos' Side

An atmosphere of support for Metropolitan Bishop Kallinikos of Piraeus was strong at the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity.

Residents of Vartholomios, which is where the Hierarch is from, traveled to support Bishop Kallinikos, who they said had been subjected to immoral attacks.

The Metropolitan Bishop of Piraeus described the attack against him as unfair and called on all those who doubt him to find out about his work in Piraeus.

TonH
20-03-05, 23:00
Het gebeurt me de laatste tijd vaker en vaker dat de eerste zin van nieuwsberichten in, zoals ik altijd dacht, degelijke media zo ontzettend veel bullshit bevatten dat ik direct stop met lezen.

Dit is weer zo'n geval... :moe:

Is het slordigheid, luiheid of stupiditeit? Dat de Grieks Orthodoxe kerk momenteel in gigantische problemen zit, is dat op zich niet al genoeg? Moet er nog iets bij verzonnen worden?

Ach laat maar.... :duim:

vlegeltje
20-03-05, 23:31
Geplaatst door TonH
Ach laat maar.... :duim:

Kun jij ook eens navoelen hoe moslims zich voelen :duim:

TonH
20-03-05, 23:38
Geplaatst door vlegeltje
Kun jij ook eens navoelen hoe moslims zich voelen :duim:

Die zeuren... :duim:

vlegeltje
20-03-05, 23:41
Geplaatst door TonH
Die zeuren... :duim:

Wie niet? :duim:

~Panthera~
20-03-05, 23:44
Geplaatst door TonH
Die zeuren... :duim:

Gezellig he ? :moe:

:hihi:

TonH
20-03-05, 23:45
Geplaatst door vlegeltje
Wie niet? :duim:

Daarom! :duim:

TonH
20-03-05, 23:46
Geplaatst door ~Panthera~
Gezellig he ? :moe:

:hihi:

:schok: Wat heb je met je haar gedaan!!!

~Panthera~
20-03-05, 23:47
Geplaatst door TonH
:schok: Wat heb je met je haar gedaan!!!

Vingers in het stopcontact. :moe:

Stukken beter he?

:D

TonH
20-03-05, 23:49
Geplaatst door ~Panthera~
Vingers in het stopcontact. :moe:

:D

Brrrrr :duim:

~Panthera~
20-03-05, 23:50
Geplaatst door TonH
Brrrrr :duim:

Dacht ik ook. :hihi:

TonH
21-03-05, 10:44
Metropolitan Bishops at Holy Synod 21 Mar 2005 09:42:00

By Despina Hristopoulou
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Sources: NET RADIO 105.8

In today’s meeting, the Continuous Holy Synod will discuss accusations against hierarchs. According to information it will discuss the case of Corinth Metropolitan Bishop after his felony indictment, for embezzling 30 thousand euros from the Cathedral. Also, it will be decided if it will give Zakinthos Metropolitan Bishop the complaint evidence, which was submitted by a journalist, which Chrisostomos has asked for in order to give written explanations. It is also expected to discuss the case of Metropolitan Bishops, Didimoticho, who is accused of a sexual scandal and Peristeri, who is accused of using clergymen for irrelevant work.


Difficult Times for Eirinaios

In the meantime, a Greek Foreign Ministry committee will arrive in Jerusalem today, in order to investigate information concerning the sale of real estate belonging to the Patriarchate to Jewish investors.

At the same time, according to exclusive NET Radio 105.8 information, the Amman government is expected to state its position on the demand of 53 Jordanian MPs for a lift of repeal of recognition of Patriarch Eirinaios. Yesterday, orthodox Palestinians who had gathered outside the Resurrection Church were asking for Eirinaios

KESO President Removed

On Sunday night, with Archbishop Christodoulos’ order the President of the Family Support Centre (KESO), lawyer Eirini Dokofiki was removed from the seat of President. The Archbishopric announcement speaks of a deplorable and sad, in every aspect, censurable involvement of the lawyer in an article in To Thema newspaper concerning Nikos Konstantopoulos’ relations with this ex-wife.

The announcement underlines that the verdicts of the article that are related to the Centre’s function are deplorable "given the great and impeccable quality of the social service of the specific organization in which the abused women’s house comes under."

Spoetnik
21-03-05, 12:49
Geplaatst door TonH
Is het slordigheid, luiheid of stupiditeit? Dat de Grieks Orthodoxe kerk momenteel in gigantische problemen zit, is dat op zich niet al genoeg? Moet er nog iets bij verzonnen worden?

Welnee, het is een mediahetze, dat is wel duidelijk. Uit het feit dat al die verhalen opeens worden opgelepeld blijkt, dat 1 de media elkaar achterna lopen omdat een item hot is, en 2 dat er een bron in Griekeland veel vuil aan het spuiten is om de macht van de kerk te breken. Het zou me niet verbazen als Polen iets dergelijks ook te wachten staat in een aantal jaren.

TonH
21-03-05, 13:12
Het volgende zal er ook wel niks mee te maken hebben... :fpetaf:


A vital political trip
Greek FM’s visit to the US aims at easing bilateral tensions

By STAVROS LYGEROS
Kathimerini, 21/03/2005
Establishing a new balance in relations between Athens and
Washington has been neither rapid nor painless. US State Department officials had become accustomed to George Papandreou’s perception of those relations during his lengthy term at the helm of Greek diplomacy— to such an extent, in fact, that they greeted the change of government with some caution.
This caution became apparent with the Indirect but clear refusal of Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis and Foreign Minister Petros Molyviatis to become flag bearers for Kofi Annan’s plan for Cyprus or to put pressure on Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos. The New Democracy government has made earnest endeavors to dispel the shadows, not only by diligently avoiding any challenge to the US, but also by frequently harmonizing with its policies. The result has not measured up to the Greek effort. It is for this reason that Molyviatis’s trip to the US this week is of vita] political significance.
Stable relations
The Greek foreign minister will probably talk to his American counterpart Condoleezza Rice and advisors about the usual agenda:
Greek-Turkish relations. Cyprus, the problem with FYROM, the future of Kosovo and developments in the Middle East
But his chief mission will be to dispel any clouds and establish stable bilateral relations. Prom this point of view, his formal meeting with President George W. Bush during the customary ceremony at the White House for Greek Independence Day is important.
The departure of former US Ambassador to Athens Thomas Miller favors a more level-headed approach. Not only did he play a decisive part in the cancellation of Cohn Powell’s visit
to Athens during last year’s Olympic Games, but his behavior in general fanned anti-American feeling In Greece. That event fed into Washington’s fears and prejudices, sparked during former US President Bill Clinton’s turbulent visit to Athens. The outcome cast a cloud over bilateral relations.
The first signs indicate that the diplomatic style of new American Ambassador Charles Ries is very different and has contributed to a relaxation of tension. This will help remove a contradictory attitude among the majority of opinion-makers In Greece. On the one hand, they see the visit of a leading American as a Political challenge, while they also see the fact that Condoleezza Rice did not include Greece in her recent trip to Europe and ‘Turkey as a political demotion.
The relaxation of tension does not, of course, mean that the two sides will cease to hold diverging views on certain crucial issues in the region.
In any case, Greek-American relations have been operating under the shadow of such divergences for decades. But in reality, Athens resists in practice only when its vital national interests are at stake, and not always then. On issues that are of major Importance to the US. Greece avoids raising obstacles or
even voicing disagreement Nonetheless, Molyviatis’s mission is far from easy. There are indications that the Americans are now more willing to respond and contribute to the establishment of a new balance, but that does not mean they will be less demanding.
The biggest hurdle is
Cyprus. In view of the reintroduction of Kofi Annan’s plan after elections in the breakaway statelet of northern Cyprus (on April 17), the State Department will exert maximum pressure on Cyprus. In all likelihood, it will ask the Greek premier to put pressure on Papadopoulos. No problems are expected with respect to Greek-Turkish relations, as Washington has long since achieved its goal of making that dispute the subject of bilateral talks, Its apparent intention to get independence for Kosovo on the road has not met with Athens’s approval, but this disagreement will not affect bilateral relations,
Molyviatis will ask the Americans to put pressure on Skopje to accept a compound name for FYROM. The answer he is most likely to get is that the US will accept any name mutually agreed upon. For the moment, it is not clear whether Condoleezza Rice will ask her Greek counterpart not to stand in the way of FYROM’s joining NATO and the European Union.
Combating terrorism
The schedule of the bilateral talks will certainly not omit the issue of combating terrorism. The smooth hosting of the Olympic Games may have fended off talk of terrorist attacks, but subsequent bomb attacks allowed the Americans to express their concern and urge Greek services to take more dynamic action.
Without underestimating the difficulties, the Greek Foreign Ministry expects tangible results from Molyviatis’s visit. Naturally, Washington will not change its policy on issues that affect Greece. The question at this stage is to dispel the shadows and reestablish direct channels of communication, which will in turn help build a climate of sincere cooperation.
As sources In Athens say, apart from the divergences, there are also many convergences, which of course acquire greater Importance from the fact that in a few months Greece will become a Security Council member. And this is at a time when US-Turkish relations are undergoing a crisis.