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Spoetnik
27-03-05, 09:37
I received death threats, says doctor who denied that Ukrainian leader was poisoned
By Bojan Pancevski in Vienna
(Filed: 27/03/2005)

A senior doctor ousted from the Vienna clinic where Viktor Yushchenko, the Ukrainian president, was treated for dioxin poisoning, claims that his life was threatened after he cast doubt on the diagnosis.

Dr Lothar Wicke, the former clinical director at the Rudolfinerhaus, said that the clinic came under intense pressure from Mr Yushchenko's entourage to diagnose poisoning, even when there was no apparent evidence.

Dr Wicke told The Telegraph that, as the crime writer Agatha Christie liked to point out, there was "no murder without a corpse, and no poisoning without poison".

Mr Yushchenko, 50, first claimed that he had been poisoned in September last year. He suffered severe stomach pains and disfiguring facial lesions while campaigning in Ukraine's bitterly fought presidential election against Viktor Yanukovych, the rival pro-Kremlin candidate.

At the time, doctors believed that his symptoms may have been caused by food-poisoning or a mysterious virus. On September 9, Mr Yushchenko checked into the prestigious clinic in Austria. Initially, it could not confirm the cause but in December, it backed the poison theory.

Speculation that the politician was the victim of a dirty tricks campaign helped him to victory in the elections on December 26.

Dr Wicke remains uncomfortable about the role played by the Rudolfinerhaus in the drama. "The first two times Mr Yushchenko was examined, there was no evidence of poisoning whatsoever," Dr Wicke, 64, said. Yet, to his dismay, persistent leaks from the clinic suggested that the politician had indeed been poisoned.

Dr Wicke said: "I was directly involved, and I can tell you that the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Vienna did not find any traces of poisonous agents in his blood. If there is no poison, there cannot be poisoning and there was no trace of it whatsoever."

He made his feelings public at the end of September, shortly before Mr Yushchenko made a second trip to Vienna for further tests. Dr Wicke told reporters that a "medically forged diagnosis" had been circulated by someone "not permanently employed in this clinic". This was taken to refer to Nikolai Korpan, a Ukrainian-born surgeon who had been treating the politician in Vienna.

Three days later, Dr Wicke received a written request from Dr Michael Zimpfer, the president of the clinic's supervisory board, to retract his remarks.

Dr Wicke marked the memo with the word "Acknowledged". It was after this that a man speaking accented English rang Dr Wicke and introduced himself as "a friend from the Ukraine". He said the man told him to "take care. Your life is in danger". Dr Wicke and his family were then put under 24-hour police guard.

Behind the scenes, Mr Yushchenko's repeated visits to the clinic had caused turmoil, said Dr Wicke, who had worked there for 25 years and was awarded the Cross of Honour First Class for Science and Art by the late Austrian president, Thomas Klestil, last year.

At one point, members of the politician's entourage tussled with Austrian police who were trying to confiscate Mr Yushchenko's medical records at the behest of a Ukrainian parliamentary commission investigating the case.

Dr Wicke is now suing the Rudolfinerhaus for substantial damages. He claims that he was forced out of his job for refusing to go along with the poisoning diagnosis.

Dr Wicke declined to speak at length about the dismissal case but asked if his dismissal was linked to the Yushchenko case, he said: "I will restrain from commenting but, given the facts, you will certainly not find it difficult to make your own conclusion.

"The official announcement said I left of my own free will but that wasn't the case."

He also declined to comment on speculation that Mr Yushchenko was actually suffering from stress and that he was treated by American doctors. It is also thought that the clinic in Vienna might have been used as a smokescreen.

"It was announced during Yushchenko's third visit to Vienna that he had been poisoned but I had been removed from the case by then. I don't know what evidence was taken into consideration," Dr Wicke said.

Dr Korpan said last week that several international laboratories had confirmed that Mr Yuschenko had been poisoned. "There is a reason why Dr Wicke disputed the poisoning diagnosis but it is not a medical one. It will be revealed later," he said. "I can only say that the whole thing is worth writing a book about."

The Rudolfinerhaus refused to comment before Dr Wicke's case is heard on Tuesday.
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/27/wukr27.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/03/27/ixworld.html

mark61
27-03-05, 15:42
Geplaatst door Spoetnik
If there is no poison, there cannot be poisoning and there was no trace of it whatsoever."

Als hij dit echt heeft gezegd is hij incompetent.

mark61
27-03-05, 15:48
Kijk, complot en tegen-complot. Met het internet kan je alle kanten op.

The case for dioxin poisoning
On the other hand, media reports have alleged that Dr Wicke was manipulated by a public relations firm retained by Yushchenko's opponents. According to the Financial Times: "Soon after Mr Yushchenko first claimed he had been poisoned, in a speech to parliament on September 21, Mr Kuchma's businessman son-in-law, Viktor Pinchuk, travelled to Vienna and discussed the claims with doctors at the Rudolfinerhaus clinic... A team of public relations experts from Euro RSCG, part of the Paris-based Havas Group, also came to Vienna, headed by Yffic Nouvellon, who had worked with Mr Pinchuk and Ms Franchuk in Kiev. Mr Nouvellon's team arranged a press conference where Lothar Wicke, the Rudolfinerhaus's general manager, contradicted Mr Yushchenko's poisoning allegations. Mr Nouvellon also contacted international media, including the Financial Times, offering evidence that Mr Yushchenko had not been poisoned." [8] (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/562812c6-4f8d-11d9-86b3-00000e2511c8.html)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Viktor_Yushchenko

Verder heeft de man alleen boeken geschreven over radiologische anatomie, dus wat weet hij nou van farmacologie?

Tis verbluffend dat in geen enkele 'bron' op internet er op de medische kwestie zelf wordt ingegaan.

Spoetnik
27-03-05, 15:59
Geplaatst door mark61
Als hij dit echt heeft gezegd is hij incompetent.

Dioxine blijft heel lang aanwezig in het bloed.

mark61
27-03-05, 16:01
Geplaatst door Spoetnik
Dioxine blijft heel lang aanwezig in het bloed.

Dat kan best, maar dat is niet wat hij hierboven zegt.

Verder lees ik dat iedereen overal altijd teveel dioxine binnenkrijgt, volgens de geldende normen, dus het hele verhaal is wat vaag. Dioxine zit in je vet en gaat nooit meer weg. Tenzij je een vrouw bent, dan kan je het aan je kind meegeven. Gedeeltelijk natuurlijk.

Spoetnik
27-03-05, 16:04
Geplaatst door mark61
Dat kan best, maar dat is niet wat hij hierboven zegt.

Maar het is duidelijk omdat er in dit geval Dioxine gebruikt is om Yuckosjenko de overwinning in de Oekraine te bezorgen. Als we de onderzoeken mogen geloven had hij iets van 10,000 keer de geldende normen in zijn bloed.

mark61
27-03-05, 16:33
Geplaatst door Spoetnik
Maar het is duidelijk omdat er in dit geval Dioxine gebruikt is om Yuckosjenko de overwinning in de Oekraine te bezorgen. Als we de onderzoeken mogen geloven had hij iets van 10,000 keer de geldende normen in zijn bloed.

Oh, dus jij gelooft itt tot Wicke wel dat hij een dioxine-vergiftiging heeft gehad? Alleen nu toegediend door zijn campagne-team?

Spoetnik
28-03-05, 10:23
Geplaatst door mark61
Oh, dus jij gelooft itt tot Wicke wel dat hij een dioxine-vergiftiging heeft gehad? Alleen nu toegediend door zijn campagne-team?

Ik weet het niet.. Ik geloof niks meer de leugens die ons wordt verteld in de media. Er zal wel eens wat waars tussen zitten, maar dat is dan omgegeven met leugens.

Dat Yukosjenko's het slachtoffer was van een aanslag door zijn politieke tegenstanders, daar geloof ik in elk geval helemaal niks van. Dan hadden ze wel iets effectievers gebruikt dan dioxine. Het was dan wel een waarschuwing van de puppetmaster van Yukosjenko, om er zeker van te zijn dat hij loyaal zal zijn, of een poging om sympathie te creeeren voor Yukosjenko.

Bar
28-03-05, 10:31
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Ik weet het niet.. Ik geloof niks meer de leugens die ons wordt verteld in de media. ........omgegeven met leugens.......daar geloof ik in elk geval helemaal niks van. ...... een waarschuwing van de puppetmaster ...... zeker van te zijn dat hij loyaal zal zijn....

In de psychiatrie hebben ze hier een woord voor.

Het begint met de letter P