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Joesoef
31-05-05, 17:10
Polls: Dutch Seen Nixing EU Constitution By ANTHONY DEUTSCH, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 20 minutes ago



Polls suggest a disillusioned Dutch public will reject the European Union constitution Wednesday by an even larger margin than the "no" delivered by France.

A second repudiation within a week likely would force leaders of the 25-member bloc to reconsider the direction of European integration when they gather in two weeks in Brussels.

"When two member founding states vote no, it looks like a big crisis," said Aurore Wanlin, an analyst with the London-based Center for European Reform.

It also would be a debacle for Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, reinforcing his image as an ineffective leader. But unlike in France, even a decisive rejection was unlikely to lead to resignations or a Cabinet shake-up.

Two polls published Monday indicated opinion is running at close to 60 percent against the constitution, showing even greater resistance than in France, which voted 55 percent to 45 percent to reject the treaty.

The margin could be even wider if supporters decide the battle is lost and stay away from the polling stations, said pollster Maurice de Hond.

"The French 'no' will definitely affect the turnout. I think it will make it easier for people who are wondering how to vote to vote 'no' as well because the Netherlands will not be isolated if we vote 'no,'" said Lousewies van der Laan, a parliament member of the D-66 party, which supports the constitution.

In one of his final appeals, Balkenende pleaded that the Netherlands must remain at the center of European decision-making. If the Dutch say no, "then it won't be a discussion with us over the question of how Europe must go on, but one without us," he said in the Trouw newspaper.

Naysayers cite a wide range of reasons for their skepticism, from liberals concerned Holland will lose its independence over such policies as euthanasia and marijuana, to conservatives worried about losing control of immigration policies.

"The government miscalculated anti-Europe feelings," said Johan Huizenge, the Europe analyst for Radio Netherlands. "It began its campaign too late. When they found Europe was not a popular issue to sell, they became hesitant."


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Major opposition parties backed Balkenende's coalition, urging voters to stay focused on the larger issues. "It is no longer about coal and steel, it's about asylum and terrorism," said the Labor Party's Wouter Bos, the opposition leader. "We simply need new ground rules to make Europe workable."

The other EU countries have left ratification to their parliaments, instead of the public.

Nine countries — Austria, Hungary, Italy, Germany, Greece, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain — have already ratified the constitution, and EU leaders vow the process will continue in other members despite France's fierce "no."

The French rejection sent the euro into a slide against the dollar that continued Tuesday. The euro dropped more than a cent to below $1.24, with concern over the future of European integration rattling traders ahead of the vote in the Netherlands.

The vote in the Netherlands is being closely watched in Britain, where sentiment against the constitution is even stronger than in France or here. Prime Minister Tony Blair said it was too early to tell if Britain would go ahead with a referendum on the constitution as planned, calling for a "time for reflection."

EU leaders, who signed the constitution in October, contend it would streamline operations and decision-making and improve democratic accountability. It also would create an EU president and foreign minister, raising Europe's profile on the global stage by giving it the ability to speak with one voice.

The constitution itself makes clear all EU members must ratify the text for it to take effect as planned by Nov. 1, 2006. But it also says EU leaders will discuss what to do if, by October 2006, four-fifths of member states have ratified the treaty but even one has "encountered difficulties" getting it accepted.

In France, polls suggested many voters wanted to punish a government they feel has failed them. Responding to that sentiment, President Jacques Chirac on Tuesday fired Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin and replaced him with Dominique de Villepin, formerly the interior minister.

Joesoef
31-05-05, 17:11
Yahoo news, waarom nu net die foto?

Joesoef
31-05-05, 17:13
REUTERS


Dutch government sees no fallout



AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) -- The Dutch government repeated on Tuesday it would not resign if voters reject a draft European constitution this week, the foreign minister said after a "No" vote in France cost the prime minister there his job.

"For the Dutch government, there will be no consequences of a 'No' vote (on Wednesday)," Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot told CNN television.

Dutch opinion polls point to a resounding rejection, with opposition to the treaty rising in most surveys since the French dismissed it on Sunday. One poll showed 65 percent of Dutch voters planning to vote against.

Bot acknowledged the boost the French rejection had given opponents of the treaty.

"We had hoped for a neck-and-neck race (but) ... it looks as if it is going to be a 'No' vote," he said.

French President Jacques Chirac named loyalist Dominique de Villepin as prime minister on Tuesday in a government shakeup following Sunday's referendum.

But Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who has been criticized for the government's lackluster "Yes" campaign, has repeatedly said he would not resign after a "No" vote.

Balkenende has ruled since 2002. Elections are due in 2007.

Bot said Balkenende's Christian Democrats had opposed a referendum on the constitution, which was forced on the government by the centrist D66, junior partners in the coalition, and opposition parties Labour and Green Left.

He noted the vote, the first national referendum in the Netherlands, is not binding as parliament must still ratify the treaty. Most political parties say they will respect a "No" vote if turnout is above 30 percent.

"We were opposed to it because we always said that this subject matter was far too complex to be made the subject of a referendum. It's parliament that initiated this idea," Bot said.

He noted that 80 percent of parliament was in favor of the constitution, adding if there was any political fallout "then also 80 percent of parliamentarians should step down."



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Joesoef
31-05-05, 17:15
BBC niets over Nederland, wel over de zorgen vanuit Turkye:

French 'Non' alarms Turkish press
France's "Non" to the EU constitution has raised fresh concerns in Turkey about the country's bid to join the EU.

Turkish press commentaries voice fears that Europe may be turning its back on Turkey.


Even if there are no significant problems for Turkey in the short term, problems will indeed arise in the medium and long term. The most important problem is that the chaos in Europe could slow down EU membership talks with Turkey. Europe will turn inwards in such a way that nobody will see Turkey.

Posta commentary

The implications of the French referendum for Turkey can be evaluated in two spheres - the legal and the political. In the legal sphere, the referendum result should not have any impact on the [membership] talks date of 3 October. But politically speaking, it can be argued that the anti-Turkey predisposition in Europe has been strengthened.

Milliyet commentary

Can the EU, which finds it so difficult to take decisions with 15 members, be expected now to reach a common decision on any serious political, economic or security issue? This includes Turkey's future in the EU. In their political campaigns, French and German right-wingers have unfortunately used Turkey as a tool to attack their opponents - and are still doing so.

Radikal commentary

The EU's political atmosphere is changing rapidly. A political foundation that will enable EU leaders to put forward different proposals regarding Turkey - such as a privileged partnership and special status - is being built. This has been triggered first by the decision to hold early elections in Germany and then by the French referendum result.

Zaman commentary

Trying to change European public opinion about Turkey has become an absolute requirement... Achieving this is possible by continuing to change Turkey from head to toe - because the thing that will positively influence the European public is Turkey's presentation of an indisputably new democratic profile.

Tercuman commentary

BBC Monitoring

amadeus
31-05-05, 21:53
Geplaatst door Joesoef
Yahoo news, waarom nu net die foto?
Wat is er mis mee?

nard
01-06-05, 07:42
Geplaatst door amadeus
Wat is er mis mee?


Dat schreeuwerige bord achter die dame.

amadeus
01-06-05, 11:51
Geplaatst door nard
Dat schreeuwerige bord achter die dame.
Oh ik dacht even dat Joesoef bedoelde dat je gehoofddoekte vrouwen niet mag fotograveren.

TonH
01-06-05, 12:03
Griekse Pers:


Awaiting Results in the Netherlands 01 Jun 2005 07:55:00

By Mary Lou Tzempelikou


One more country following France is expected to vote against the European Constitution today. Ballots for the referendum, the first after 200 years in the Netherlands, opened at 07:30 (local time). Only three days after the French "Non" plunged the country into crisis, Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called the 12 million voters not to follow the French example, but according to polls his appeal will fall on a brick wall, since over 60% of the population will vote against the European Constitution. Those determined to cast their negative vote say they will do so because of fears over the EU expansion and the loss of their identity. What is more, voters are also expected to oppose because they are unhappy about higher prices since the euro and discontented with the centre-right government.


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Balkenende's Appeal


"The future of the Netherlands is in Europe," said Balkenende on Tuesday speaking on Dutch television and added: "I believe a 'No' vote is not in the interest of the Netherlands, not of Europe."

In fact, in order to reassure Dutch citizens, the PM underlined the Netherlands will not lose their position and influence within the EU in case the referendum has a positive outcome.

Analysts estimate that a second vote against the European Constitution could create a snowball effect throughout the bloc, since in order for it to come into force it has to be ratified by all 25 member-states.

It should be noted that eight national referendums are yet to come in equally numbered EU member-states.


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Ballots Will Show Abstinence


Despite the fact that the leaders of Dutch political parties have urged people to come to the ballots and cast their European votes, it all points out that turnout will not exceed 48%. However, the government has already pledged to accept the referendum result in case turnout is more than 30%.

The three parties of the government coalition as well as the Left opposition parties are on the "Yes" camp, while Socialists, right-wingers and Christian parties are on the "No" camp.

The French "Non" seems to have reinforced the abstinence camp, as polls conducted after the referendum in France, show that 15% of the Dutch feel it is useless to cast their vote following the French opposition.


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Dutch Fears


Many Dutch are determined to vote against the European Constitutional Treaty, not just because they are are unhappy about higher prices since the euro and discontented with the centre-right government, but also because they believe a European superstate will start interfering actively with their country's internal affairs.

For instance, they fear they will be asked to change liberal policies, such as gay marriage and euthanasia.

Others disagree with the swift enlargement of the EU, and oppose the possible inclusion of Turkey, also thought to be a key factor in the French referendum.


However, government and major opposition parties, making up 80% of the country's MPs, support the draft constitution in the belief that it will enhance Dutch influence in Europe.






Countries Having Already Ratified the Treaty:


· Austria
· Germany
· Greece
· Hungary
· Italy
· Lithuania
· Slovakia
· Slovenia
· Spain

Wide-O
01-06-05, 12:07
Geplaatst door TonH
Griekse Pers:

Countries Having Already Ratified the Treaty:


· Austria
· Germany
· Greece
· Hungary
· Italy
· Lithuania
· Slovakia
· Slovenia
· Spain

Oi ! :fplet:

amadeus
01-06-05, 12:10
Geplaatst door Wide-O
Oi ! :fplet:
Allemaal landen die straks niets meer kunnen eisen bij nieuwe onderhandelingen. :D

Wide-O
01-06-05, 12:13
Ik bedoelde eigenlijk dat mijn dierbare België weer maar eens gediscrimineerd wordt in dat lijssie :ego:

amadeus
01-06-05, 12:15
Geplaatst door Wide-O
Ik bedoelde eigenlijk dat mijn dierbare België weer maar eens gediscrimineerd wordt in dat lijssie :ego:
Belgie? Daar slikken ze toch wel alles wat Brussel hen opdraagt. :stout:

observer
01-06-05, 12:24
Geplaatst door Wide-O
Ik bedoelde eigenlijk dat mijn dierbare België weer maar eens gediscrimineerd wordt in dat lijssie :ego: in belgie heeft alleen het federale parlement toch nog maar goedgekeurd de regio/taal parlementen moeten dat ook nog

wel opvallend op oosterijk en duitsland na zijn de voorstemmers allemaal ontvangers ipv betalers

amadeus
01-06-05, 12:27
Geplaatst door observer
wel opvallend op oosterijk en duitsland na zijn de voorstemmers allemaal ontvangers ipv betalers
Het lijkt me vrij logisch dat de grootste profiteurs ook de grootste voorstanders van het hele Europa-project.

Julien
01-06-05, 12:38
Geplaatst door observer
in belgie heeft alleen het federale parlement toch nog maar goedgekeurd de regio/taal parlementen moeten dat ook nog

wel opvallend op oosterijk en duitsland na zijn de voorstemmers allemaal ontvangers ipv betalers

wat dacht je van italie?? G8 hoor!

Juliette
01-06-05, 15:47
Nederlanders stemmen over grondwet
Ja- en neenkamp groeien naar elkaar toe

01/06/2005
AMSTERDAM - Vandaag spreken de Nederlanders zich in een referendum uit over de Europese grondwet. Volgens de opiniepeilingen zijn de meeste van onze noorderburen tegen de grondwet, maar de laatste cijfers geven wel aan dat het verschil kleiner wordt.
Aan de vooravond van het referendum voor de Europese grondwet heeft de groep ja-stemmers in Nederland de achtervolging ingezet op de tegenstanders. De beide kampen zitten volgens de laatste peilingen weer dichter bij elkaar: 46 procent wil voor stemmen, 54 procent is tegen.

Volgens Interview/NSS, die de peiling dinsdag uitvoerde in opdracht van tv-programma Nova, zijn het vooral de twijfelaars die zich te elfder ure achter de grondwet scharen. Van de Nederlanders die zeggen te gaan stemmen, zal 7 procent pas in het stemhokje bepalen of het voor of tegen wordt.

Als belangrijkste reden om tegen de grondwet te stemmen zeggen kiezers dat Nederland invloed in Europa zal verliezen (54 procent), grote landen de dienst uit gaan maken in de EU (52 procent) en de politiek anders ,,over onze hoofden heen'' wordt beslist (42 procent).

Voorstanders menen dat grensoverschrijdende problemen Europees moeten worden aangepakt (57 procent) en een verenigd Europa ,,wenselijk'' is (53 procent).

Interview/NSS constateerde maandag nog dat 60 procent tegen en 40 procent voor de grondwet wilde stemmen.

Copyright | De Standaard Online 2005

nard
01-06-05, 22:55
Geplaatst door Juliette
[B]Nederlanders stemmen over grondwet
Ja- en neenkamp groeien naar elkaar toe

Volgens Interview/NSS, die de peiling dinsdag uitvoerde in opdracht van tv-programma Nova, zijn het vooral de twijfelaars die zich te elfder ure achter de grondwet scharen.

En door wie worden Interview/NSS en Nova gefinancierd, denk je?
En wat was hun agenda?

Nobelia
01-06-05, 23:00
Geplaatst door nard
En door wie worden Interview/NSS en Nova gefinancierd, denk je?
En wat was hun agenda?

Zeg jij het? Zeg ik het?

Wie zegt er nog wat hier? Durft er iemand nog wat te zeggen? :)
Of houdt iedereen zich in vanwege de strafpuntjes? Hihi.
Daarom is het hier ook zo'n dooie boel natuurlijk tegenwoordig. Helemaal Saudi Arabie hier.