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Denmark Moslem youth riots ignored while Paris is burning
By Judi McLeod
Friday, November 4, 2005
Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has spread to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.
Not so for Århus, Denmark.
“Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danish media,” laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following from Danish Jyllands-Posten:“Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. “This area belongs to us,” the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.
“Their words sound like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.
“Four youths sit on a wall in Rosenhoj Mall Sunday afternoon, calling themselves spokesmen for the groups, that three nights in a row have ravaged and tried to burn down the restaurant and other stores.
“Around the parking lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming, and many are walking around, greeting each other with a sense of victory after the worst riots in Århus for years.
“Every night 30-40 youths took part, especially immigrants.
“Only two were arrested, “That was a victory.”
From the 1990s, groups and organizations formed by extremist Moslems, which present a serious threat to the Danish Jewish Community, have been active in Denmark.
In France, police have made 143 arrests during the unrest, according to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.
Prime Minister de Villepin vowed to restore order as the violence that erupted Oct. 27 spread to at least 20 towns, manifestation of the collective frustration simmering in housing projects that are home to scores of North African immigrants.
Bands of stone-lobbing and petrol bomb armed bands of youth have thus far ignored President Jacques Chirac’s appeal for calm.
“I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some neighbourhoods, I will not accept having crime networks and drug trafficking profiting from disorder,” Villepin said at the Senate in between emergency meetings called over the riots.
Government offices, a police station, a primary school and a college, a Clichy-sous-Bois fire station and a train station were among the buildings targeted by the gangs of youth.
Rioters also set fire to a gym near the Les Tilleuls housing complex in the Seine-Saint-Denis region. It burned and smoldered Wednesday night as residents looked on in despair.
On Thursday, rioters fired four shots at police and firefighters but caused no injuries, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for Seine-Saint-Denis. Nine civilians were injured in other unrest and 415 cars were torched across the Paris area,
French authorities have said that the riots are not spontaneous but well organized.
Threats issued by youth rioters in Denmark that “This area belongs to us,” seem to indicate the same thing.
Meanwhile, the whole world may be aware that Paris is burning, but few are aware of the nightly youth riots in Århus, Denmark.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
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Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
Een artikel dat met zo'n grove onwaarheid begint lijkt mij niet de moeite waard om verder te lezen :moe:
Wat een onzin.
Ik heb altijd al gedacht dat die autochtone Arhussers een beetje verknipt volk is.
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Een artikel dat met zo'n grove onwaarheid begint lijkt mij niet de moeite waard om verder te lezen :moe:
Dan plaats ik voor jouw de versie van de world socialist web site :)
French government and opposition back intensified repression
By Stephane Hugues
7 November 2005
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The anger and frustration of the most oppressed sections of youth that erupted in the form of violent clashes with police in the Paris area last week has now spread to the whole of France. The riots erupted a week ago after police chased youth into an electricity transformer station in Clichy-sous-Bois where two of the youth were electrocuted to death and a third was very seriously injured.
This incident acted as a spark igniting a veritable tinder box of social tensions that have been building up over many years through the neo-liberal policies of successive Left and Right governments. Youth in Clichy-sous-Bois reacted immediately against the police by setting fire to buildings and cars in their neighborhoods. In the following days, youth in surrounding suburbs joined in. Within four or five days, the protests had spread to the entire Paris area and to a number of oppressed suburbs on other areas of the country.
One of the most common manifestations of the confrontations with police has been the burning of cars. In the nights of the previous week, Wednesday saw 150 cars burnt; Thursday: 500 with 80 arrests; Friday 900 cars with more than 200 arrests.
However, last Saturday night, nearly 1,300 cars went up in flames, not to mention numerous public buildings and commercial centers, while police arrested more than 260 youth.
The French press is now reporting incidents in virtually every area of the country. Of the 1,300 cars, more than 540 were set on fire in the provinces. This included Haut-Normandie, 6 cars, Nord-Pas de Calais, 80, Aquitaine, 36, Centre, 33, Pays-de-la-Loire, 38, Bretagne, 30, Lorraine, 25 cars and 5 buses, France-Compté, 20, Rhone Alpes, 10, Midi-Pyrénées, 50, Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur, 24.
As with the recent riots in Birmingham, England, and Århus, Denmark, and a year ago in Amsterdam, Holland, there has been a systematic campaign both in the French and foreign press to portray the spontaneous outbursts of these oppressed sections of youth as being exclusively a question of immigrants. References to black and Arab youth often with hints of links to terrorist organisations like Al Qaeda have abounded. However, youth of Arab, African and Caribbean origin in France are mainly second- or more likely third-generation immigrants and for all intents and purposes are French.
Furthermore, none of the press refers to the fact that the groups of youth in revolt also comprise not only Arab and black youth but also many poor white youth who share the same oppressed conditions of unemployment and police repression. It is not the youth that are racist, but French employers and the French state that systematically discriminate against Arab and black youth as well as against white youth living in the same depressed suburbs.
That the current revolt takes the backward form of burning and smashing cars and property in these youths’ own neighborhoods expresses the deep frustration and lack of perspective among these most vulnerable layers of the working class.
The Socialist Party (PS) and the French Communist Party (PCF) bear the principal responsibility for the complete alienation of these layers of the youth from society. Not only did past “Governments of the Left” introduce the neo-liberal policies now being continued and intensified by the present government of Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and his deputy Nicolas Sarkozy, but, as the elected municipal officials in these suburbs, they have overseen the destruction of all the social services in these towns, leaving entire sections of workers and youth to their fate.
There are serious indications that the revolt of the youth in Clichy-sous-Bois was largely aggravated and provoked by the brutal intervention of the paramilitary CRS (Republican Security Companies), gendarmes and police two nights after the deaths of the two youths, Zyad Benna and Bouna Traore (see “Eyewitness to Paris riots charges police with deliberate provocation”).
Sarkozy, the interior minister and head of the police, has spent the last years beefing up police repression and has made a series of provocative visits to poor and oppressed quarters, engaging in hostile confrontations with youth in front of television cameras. Sarkozy has thus openly embraced the politics of anti-immigrant demagogy in an attempt to steal votes and members for his Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) party away from Jean-Marie Le Pen’s fascist National Front (FN) and Philippe De Villier’s extreme right-wing Movement for France (MPF).
Sarkozy initially came under attack from the Socialist Party and even members of his own party for having provoked the revolt of the youth by his law-and-order campaign of repression. However, as the full extent of the growing revolt has become apparent, there has been a closing of ranks not only within his own party—notably including Sarkozy’s arch-rival Prime Minister de Villepin and President Jacques Chirac—but also on the part of the Socialist Party.
After making a few perfunctory remarks criticising Sarkozy, Jean-Marc Ayrault, president of the Socialist Group in the National Assembly and Mayor of Nantes, said, “We live in a state under the rule of law—burning a car is not an inconsequential act and should be severely punished.” Ex-Socialist Party minister and presidential hopeful Dominique Strauss-Khan stated, “The number of police in the suburbs has gone down, the groups of police assigned to particular housing estates have been disbanded, efforts at prevention have been canceled and this is the result: more violence than we have ever known.”
The government has ordered the hated CRS into the suburbs, which accounts for the sharp rise in arrests this weekend. On Saturday, the government used seven helicopters to film and target youth for the intervention of the CRS. A number of UMP deputies as well as some chiefs of police have called for the army to be brought in.
Sunday night, President Chirac, emerging from a Council of Security of the Interior meeting declared that “the priority is the reestablishment of security and public order.” Prime Minister de Villepin, coming from the same meeting, said he would announce new measures Monday and vowed that the government “would speed up the trials and sentencing” of the youth in custody. Already, at least 20 youth were sentenced to terms of up to one year in prison last week.
In the course of last week, the French press cited both UMP and opposition politicians who distanced themselves somewhat from Sarkozy and emphasised that in addition to police interventions, some attention must be paid to the social roots of these riots. Now, only 11 days after the death of the two youth in Clichy-sous-Bois, such sentiments have largely vanished, and the government, with the support of the opposition, is preparing full-scale repression of the riots.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/fran-n07.shtml
Waren er rellen vorig jaar in Amsterdam :confused:
Dolle Fatima
07-11-05, 15:54
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Denmark Moslem youth riots ignored while Paris is burning
By Judi McLeod
Friday, November 4, 2005
Is there a connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and the ones taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has spread to 20 towns, has been well covered by the international media.
Not so for Århus, Denmark.
“Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danish media,” laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the trouble to translate into English the following from Danish Jyllands-Posten:“Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. “This area belongs to us,” the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.
“Their words sound like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.
“Four youths sit on a wall in Rosenhoj Mall Sunday afternoon, calling themselves spokesmen for the groups, that three nights in a row have ravaged and tried to burn down the restaurant and other stores.
“Around the parking lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming, and many are walking around, greeting each other with a sense of victory after the worst riots in Århus for years.
“Every night 30-40 youths took part, especially immigrants.
“Only two were arrested, “That was a victory.”
From the 1990s, groups and organizations formed by extremist Moslems, which present a serious threat to the Danish Jewish Community, have been active in Denmark.
In France, police have made 143 arrests during the unrest, according to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.
Prime Minister de Villepin vowed to restore order as the violence that erupted Oct. 27 spread to at least 20 towns, manifestation of the collective frustration simmering in housing projects that are home to scores of North African immigrants.
Bands of stone-lobbing and petrol bomb armed bands of youth have thus far ignored President Jacques Chirac’s appeal for calm.
“I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some neighbourhoods, I will not accept having crime networks and drug trafficking profiting from disorder,” Villepin said at the Senate in between emergency meetings called over the riots.
Government offices, a police station, a primary school and a college, a Clichy-sous-Bois fire station and a train station were among the buildings targeted by the gangs of youth.
Rioters also set fire to a gym near the Les Tilleuls housing complex in the Seine-Saint-Denis region. It burned and smoldered Wednesday night as residents looked on in despair.
On Thursday, rioters fired four shots at police and firefighters but caused no injuries, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for Seine-Saint-Denis. Nine civilians were injured in other unrest and 415 cars were torched across the Paris area,
French authorities have said that the riots are not spontaneous but well organized.
Threats issued by youth rioters in Denmark that “This area belongs to us,” seem to indicate the same thing.
Meanwhile, the whole world may be aware that Paris is burning, but few are aware of the nightly youth riots in Århus, Denmark.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
Wat een sensatiezucht en wanhopig gezoek naar verbanden zeg...........
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Wat een sensatiezucht en wanhopig gezoek naar verbanden zeg...........
Dat komt omdat er verbanden zijn, al is het niet het verband dat het artikel zegt.
Het verband: Sociale uitsluiting leidt tot geweld. Zowel in denemarken en frankrijk worden immigranten uitgesloten van de samenleving.
Dolle Fatima
07-11-05, 16:11
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Dat komt omdat er verbanden zijn, al is het niet het verband dat het artikel zegt.
Het verband: Sociale uitsluiting leidt tot geweld. Zowel in denemarken en frankrijk worden immigranten uitgesloten van de samenleving.
Ben ik het mee eens :)
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Waren er rellen vorig jaar in Amsterdam :confused:
Er stonden wel een paar duizend mensen lawaai te maken op de Dam :vreemd:
Dat maakt Cohen dan een oproerkraaier :zozo:
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waarom zijn er dan geen chinese relschoppers? of spaanse, zuid amerikaanse oost-europese?
Wat weet jij van de identiteit van de Franse relschoppers? Er zullen wle arabieren tussen zitten ja, maar ook Afrikanen, Portugezen en Zuid Amerikanen. Wat weet jij van de verhoudingen tussen de identiteiten?
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waarom zijn er dan geen chinese relschoppers? of spaanse, zuid amerikaanse oost-europese?
Er zijn wel chinese relschoppers, met name in China.
En tussen het tuig dat aan het rellen is in Frankrijk zijn vast een groot aantal immigranten te ontdekken die afkomstig zijn uit het Caribische gebied en Afrikaanse landen ten zuiden van de Sahara.
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Er zullen 'wel wat' Arabieren tussen zitten ja. Daarom zitten de Franse politici ook aan een tafel vol afgevaardigden van moslim-organisaties, om te overleggen hoe het Afrikaanse, Portugese en Zuid-Amerikaanse gajes te stoppen.
Bron?
En wat denkt de overheid te bereiken met deze onderhandelingen? Deze jongeren zijn echt niet te bereiken via moslimorganisaties.
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Bron? TV-camera's overal, die de onderhandelingen vandaag filmden. Sukkel.
Waar onderhandellen ze dan over?
En ik heb geen tv op werk.
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after police chased youth into an electricity transformer station in Clichy-sous-Bois
Na zo'n zin lees ik ook niet verder.
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Of het uitdelen van hete chocola aan de relschoppers haram is.
Zucht...
Waar onderhandelen ze over? Moeilijke vraag.
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Na zo'n zin lees ik ook niet verder.
Voor jou heb ik het eerste stuk geplaatst.
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Er zijn wel chinese relschoppers, met name in China.
En tussen het tuig dat aan het rellen is in Frankrijk zijn vast een groot aantal immigranten te ontdekken die afkomstig zijn uit het Caribische gebied en Afrikaanse landen ten zuiden van de Sahara.
Hoe groot precies? Van die met het blote oog nauwelijks waarneembare eilandjes als Martinique, en, jawel, St. Martin?
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Voor jou heb ik het eerste stuk geplaatst.
Denen neem ik sowieso niet serieus, moslim- of otherwise.
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Denen neem ik sowieso niet serieus, moslim- of otherwise.
Waarom reageer je dan?
Prlwytzkofski
07-11-05, 17:52
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laments the Viking Observer .
:argwaan:
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Hoe groot precies? Van die met het blote oog nauwelijks waarneembare eilandjes als Martinique, en, jawel, St. Martin?
Though a majority of the youths committing the acts are Muslim, and of African or North African origin, the mayhem has yet to take on any ideological or religious overtones. Youths in the neighborhoods say second-generation Portuguese immigrants and even some children of native French have taken part.
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051107/ZNYT/511070333/1011
Zelfs tweede generatie portugese immigranten! Ja nu begin de onderhandelingen met de moslim organisaties te begrijpen.
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Nee Lennart, het is een domme vraag.
Waar zouden de Franse politici nou met moslim-leiders over vergaderen terwijl in heel Frankrijk door jongeren brand wordt gesticht in woongebieden, buurthuizen, scholen, auto's en er mensen worden doodgeslagen.
Nou, doe 's een gooi.
Ik ga er direct vanuit dat de franze overheid inzet op het stoppen van de rellen, maar wat wil de "tegenpartij" dan? Da's mij ook niet duidelijk.
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Nee Lennart, het is een domme vraag.
Waar zouden de Franse politici nou met moslim-leiders over vergaderen terwijl in heel Frankrijk door jongeren brand wordt gesticht in woongebieden, buurthuizen, scholen, auto's en er mensen worden doodgeslagen.
Nou, doe 's een gooi.
Ah nu noem je het vergaderen, daarnet nog onderhandelen. Onderhandelen impliceert namelijk dat die organisaties daadwerkelijk iets aan de rellen kunnen doen. De Franse overheid moet echt niet denken dat de mensen die aan het rellen gaan het vrijdaggebed meemaken.
Maar praten is natuurlijk altijd leuk! Al geven ze er daarmee wel een religieus tintje aan de rellen, die hiervoor nog niet bestond.
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Waarom reageer je dan?
Kan je niet begrijpend lezen?
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Though a majority of the youths committing the acts are Muslim, and of African or North African origin, the mayhem has yet to take on any ideological or religious overtones. Youths in the neighborhoods say second-generation Portuguese immigrants and even some children of native French have taken part.
Portugal ligt in de Caraïben?
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Ik ga er direct vanuit dat de franze overheid inzet op het stoppen van de rellen, maar wat wil de "tegenpartij" dan? Da's mij ook niet duidelijk.
5 minutes of fame. Zoals de gehele tv-generatie.
Ik ben in beeld, dus ik besta.
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Jij mag voor mijn part de Franse politici gaan vertellen dat overleg met deze organisaties geen zin heeft. I don't care. Je stelde een vraag, ik antwoordde.
En ik gaf mijn commentaar. Ik vind het nog steeds merkwaardig dat jij het onderhandelen noemt. Daarmee stel jij namelijk dat deze moslimorganisaties verantwoordelijk zijn voor de rellen.
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Portugal ligt in de Caraïben?
Als die al meedoen dan zullen er ook vast gespuis tussen zitten van Caribische origine.
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Dat was mijn stelling helemaal niet en dat was ook geen seconde in mijn hoofd opgekomen. Ik koos het verkeerde woord, dat is alles. Heel simpel.
En dan noemt jij mij een sukkel en steller van domme vragen :hihi: