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mark61
07-11-05, 22:52
Yeniceköy - Reuters

Everyone in the Turkish village of Yeniceköy is Muslim. They have a mosque, but no one goes there. It is the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, but no one is fasting.

Turkey's Alawis are one of Islam's most liberal sects. They sing and play mystical music at religious ceremonies attended by men and women. They drink alcohol, do not fast and do not go on pilgrimage to Mecca.

Long oppressed under Ottoman rule, the Alawis say they still face discrimination, even though the government has officially championed religious freedoms and human rights as it bids to gain membership to the European Union.

In a country where most Muslims belong to the Sunni group and Islam is tightly controlled by Ankara's Religious Affairs Directorate, or Diyanet, the Alawis say they have been neglected.

"The Diyanet is the state's religious institution, but only represents Sunni beliefs," said Fevzi Gumus, general-secretary of the Alawi-Bektasi Federation. "The existence of the Diyanet is incompatible with the secular nature of the state."

Alawis are loosely related to Shia Islam and number between 12 million and 20 million of Turkey's 70 million citizens.

"Alawis are not officially recognized as a religious community, they often experience difficulties in opening places of worship and compulsory religious instruction in schools fails to acknowledge non-Sunni identities," the European Union said in its 2004 report on Turkey's progress toward accession.

The criticism is expected to be repeated in this year's report due on Nov. 9.

"It is certainly one of the long-standing issues for the European Commission in the context of minority rights and religious freedoms," said one eu diplomat.

Essence of Islam:

Ankara began its long-delayed accession talks on Oct. 3. It must bring its laws and regulations into line with those of the eu in several areas before it can join.

Turkey has already made wide-ranging reforms aimed at bolstering human rights and individual freedoms as part of its eu bid. But the eu says the reforms must be fully implemented.

Alawis warn that despite its officially secular status, Turkey is in danger of becoming a Sunni state.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ruling Justice and Development Party (akp) has its roots in political Sunni Islam and refuses to recognize Alawite meeting places, known as cemevi, or to give them the same state aid as mosques receive.

"Alawiism is not a religion. If it were a religion, it would need places of worship," Erdogan said two years ago.

Izzettin Dogan, chairman of one of Turkey's leading Alawi organizations, said Alawism was the "original essence of Islam."

"Have a clean heart, a good heart, love humanity, don't do anything bad to anyone ... the biggest sin for Alawis is to hurt someone else, to do an injustice to someone else," said Dogan, who is a member of the Cem Vakfi group.

Alawis say their beliefs are a synthesis of mystical Islamic Sufism, some Christianity, Zoroastrianism and pre-Islamic shamanism brought from Central Asia as the Turks began their westward conquest of Anatolia from the 11th century onwards.

At an Alawite cemevi in a rundown area of Istanbul, hundreds of people kneel in a circle, men on one side, women on the other, praying and singing along to the seven-stringed guitar-like saz. The men and women rock back and forth, entranced by the haunting rhythm and religious chants.

The music and mixing of the sexes, banned in religious services by mainstream Islam, have led some to say Alawis are not Muslims at all and accuse them of conducting sexual orgies.

"According to their understanding, men and women can't be in the same place, if they are it means some sort of revelry is going on, it can't be a place of worship," said Dogan.

State Religion:

Since the secular Turkish Republic replaced the officially Sunni Ottoman Empire in 1923, Islam has been kept firmly under state control. Imams are paid and told what to preach by the Diyanet, which controls some 76,000 mosques.

The Diyanet employs around 100,000 people. Its 2006 budget will be larger than those of the Interior and Foreign ministries and equals about a third of the state funds spent on health.

The Diyanet spends no money on Alawis and, according to members of that group, does not employ any Alawis.

"The Diyanet is a like a state within the state," said Dogan. "How can you believe in freedom of religion when you use the taxes collected from all of us and give it only to Sunni Muslims? ... The secular state is becoming a Sunni state."

The Diyanet has a simple answer: if Alawis are Muslims, they should go to mosque. It has built mosques across the country, some in Alawite villages like Yenicekoy, a small farming community on the rolling plains of eastern Thrace, west of Istanbul.

"There used to be an imam at the mosque, but he left because there was no congregation," said villager Sedat Ozturk.

In the nearby Alawite village of Cesmeli, men sit smoking and drinking tea, ignoring the dawn-til-dusk Ramadan fast and listening to the call to prayer from the mosque next door.

No one stirs from their seats.

The imam is alone in the mosque, but determined. :hihi:
"I made the call to prayer 10 minutes ago, now I shall pray," he said.

Bron: Turkish Daily News 07-11-2005

Sjo, het ballengooien kan weer beginnen. :roker:

Amenzu
07-11-05, 23:34
De 10% alevieten in syrië die de absolute macht in hun handen hebben, worden door de meerderheid soenniten ook als ketters gezien.

Bofko
07-11-05, 23:37
Geplaatst door Amenzu
De 10% alevieten in die syrië in hun absolute macht hebben, worden door de meerderheid soenniten als ketters gezien.

Heb ik ook hier gemerkt. Zitten veel Syriers te hopen op een ingrijpen ?

mark61
08-11-05, 09:02
Geplaatst door Amenzu
De 10% alevieten in die syrië in hun absolute macht hebben, worden door de meerderheid soenniten als ketters gezien.

Das weer heel ander volk, dacht ik.

sjaen
08-11-05, 09:56
Geplaatst door mark61


No one stirs from their seats.



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Amenzu
08-11-05, 11:10
Geplaatst door mark61
Das weer heel ander volk, dacht ik.

Ik weet niet echt percies hoe het in elkaar zit met al die stromingen. Wat ik het emest weet is over de malaki interpertatie binnen de soennitische stroom die we in Maroko hanteren.

Ik er altijd vanuit dat de ALevieten in Syrie, Libanon, Irak, Irak, etc dezelfde voorschriften op na houden. Feit is dat ze overal als ketters door de soennieten gezien worden.

Tomas
08-11-05, 11:14
Het was mij een tijdje terug al opgevallen dat ze -volgens wikipedia dan- onder het humanisme vallen. Het religieus humanisme:

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanisme

mark61
08-11-05, 21:34
Geplaatst door Amenzu
Ik weet niet echt percies hoe het in elkaar zit met al die stromingen. Wat ik het emest weet is over de malaki interpertatie binnen de soennitische stroom die we in Maroko hanteren.

Ik er altijd vanuit dat de ALevieten in Syrie, Libanon, Irak, Irak, etc dezelfde voorschriften op na houden. Feit is dat ze overal als ketters door de soennieten gezien worden.

Het koningshuis in Marokko heet toch ook 'alaoui'? En das weer heel wat anders.

amOer
08-11-05, 21:38
ik ben een syrier .. en ik kan je zeggen dat het minder dan 10% is zelfs !! en inderdaad ze hebben met de sunna van syrie verschrikkelijke dingen gedaan, waaronder de Hamaah slachting in de '80 ..

maar ..

iedereen van buitenaf moet wel weten dat op het eerste moment dat een raket damascus slaat , iedereen achter alavieten of achter satan zelf zal staan om syrie te verdedigen !!

en wij hebben geen Shi'ietisch verraders tussen ons dus makkelijk zullen ze niet binnen komen !!