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Victory
18-12-05, 13:19
Ahmadinejad’s idea on Israel correct in principal
By Henryk M. Broder

Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad’s suggestion to move Israel to Germany is not as absurd as it sounds. If you consider the idea impartially, you can see a historic land reform concept which can be advantageous to all parties.

Everyone is attacking the Iranian president again because he suggested moving Israel from the Middle East to Germany, or Austria. Even those who were not outraged about Ahmadinejad’s demand "to wipe Israel off the map" are agitated, because now they see the problem as becoming theirs. As much as a "world without Zionism" is imaginable, a Europe with a Jewish State in its midst is a vision of horror that no one wants to follow to its logical conclusion.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel called Ahmadinejad’s suggestions "totally unacceptable". Her hasty reaction did not take into account that the Iranian president had, after all, moved away from his original demand to destroy Israel and now wants a "relocation" of the "Zionist entity". From a humanitarian point of view, this is progress: The Israelis should no longer disappear into the ocean, but be sent on an overseas journey instead. One could also say that Europe should take back the problem that it created and exported. But the recipient is refusing delivery of the parcel even before it has been sent.

Sure enough: When Ahmadinejad is right, he’s right. It doesn’t help to call him "inexperienced in foreign affairs", as the director of the Orient Institute, Udo Steinbach, recently did.

The Middle East conflict is not only collateral damage of the Holocaust, it’s a product of European anti-Semitism. Without the pogroms in Poland and Russia, without the Dreyfuss Affair in France (which made Herzl into a Zionist), without the German attempt at the "final solution" to the Jewish problem, the Jews would still be dreaming of their own state instead of having to protect it.

Ahmadinejad’s idea may be vague, but in principal it is correct. The Palestinians are paying for the sins of the Europeans. And if there were such a thing as historical justice in this world, the Jewish state would have been founded in Schleswig-Holstein or in Bavaria, and not in Palestine.

I have written this sentence several times in the past -- the last time right here -- and am both delighted and surprised that Ahmadinejad has seized upon my suggestion, even if didn’t give me the credit.

Historically, this idea is not so absurd as it is now being portrayed. The Zionist movement was unsure for a long time where the "Jewish State" should be situated. Herzl spoke from a "piece of the earth’s surface" that Jews would be able to administer. There were considerations to establish a "colony" in Uganda or Argentina. That Palestine was finally chosen had both historical and emotional, as well as practical reasons. William II, who considered himself to be the patron of the holy sites in Jerusalem, wanted a "German protectorate" in Palestine, and was therefore receptive to Herzel’s ideas. If it had not been for the First World War, something could have come of the project.

As it was, Israel was only established after the Second World War under very different, extremely dramatic circumstances. It was not only about giving the Jews a "home", but also to get a half a million "displaced persons", survivors of the Holocaust, out of Europe. And so, the old Jewish prayer "next year in Jerusalem" became reality.

But as often happens with wishes and dreams that come true, hardly had the Europeans solved the problem, but a new one was created. It is indeed difficult to explain to the Palestinians why they should share their country with the Jews who were treated badly in Europe. The Palestinians are not responsible for either the pogroms from Kishinev to Kielce, nor for the concentration camp politics of the Nazis.

Return to the principle that the Party Responsible is Liable for the Damages. What Ahmadinejad is now demanding is the return to the principle that the party responsible pay for the damages.

Those responsible for solving a problem are those who created it.

And those are the Europeans. At most one could hold against him that his knowledge of history isn’t very good because he reduces the contribution to the Germans, instead of taking the Russians, the Poles and the French to task as well.

But this deficiency doesn’t change the fact that Ahmadinejad is essentially right. And instead of being outraged about his suggestion, it would be better to recognize the advantages that they offer all parties concerned. The Israelis would finally get rid of their biggest problem: security. The Germans would now be in charge of that. And in view of the traditionally good Arab German relations, no Arab country would dare to attack Germany.

The second large advantage would be: Instead of having to spend a lot of money on trips to Europe, the Israelis would already be there, where they feel comfortable, where you can do great shopping, and where you can ride a bus or a train even on Saturdays. The return for the Germans would be even bigger. They would finally have the "Jewish contribution to German culture" back that they have so painfully missed since 1939. No more yearning for fresh bagels, Klezmer music, kosher finger food, Jewish inventors, or Nobel Prize winners. They would all be included in the German statistics.

There are places in the Allgaeu that have similarities with the landscape in Samaria.

The question remains, where would one establish the Jewish state on German soil. Schleswig-Holstein and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern are sparsely populated, there are millions of empty apartments in the former East Germany. But one can’t assume that the Jews would want to settle close to the water again. It is also beautiful in the mountains, and there are areas in the Allgau that have similarities with the landscape in Samaria.

If one contemplates the Iranian president’s suggestions without preconceived opinion and considers all the advantages and disadvantages without anger, one has to admit that the idea is more than just funky. It is enticing. Until now, "The history of the German territory reaches Palestine" was the sentence which was the basis of the German Near East policy. Now the opportunity would present itself to carry out an historic land reform, to clean up in one’s own house.

But it won’t come to that. Like all new ideas, this one too will be kicked around and rejected at the end. And who knows, perhaps in Aachen someone is already thinking about awarding the next medal to the Iranian president, in spite of his terrible earnestness.

Der Spiegel

Victory
18-12-05, 13:38
Inderdaad, het is alleen maar logisch dat "israel" naar duitsland wordt verplaatst. Maar zoals het in de artikel uit is gelegt, Europa wilt niet dat weer zoals voorheen, de joden weer hun probleem worden.

mark61
18-12-05, 13:57
Zoals al Sawt en ik dan altijd fijntjes opmerken, er is al een joodse staat gereserveerd :).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bd/FlagofJewish-Russians.png/120px-FlagofJewish-Russians.png

vlag


Capital Birobidzhan
Area

- total - 36,000 km²

Population
- Total - est. 190,915 (2002)
- Density - est. 5.3/km²

http://www.eao.ru/Images/map.jpg

Dat rooie ding.

http://www.eao.ru/eng/

De officiële site.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union and new liberal emigration policies, most of the remaining Jewish population left for Germany and Israel. In 1991, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was transferred from under the jurisdiction of Khabarovsk Krai to the jurisdiction of the Federation, but by that time most of the Jews had gone and the remaining Jews now constituted less than two percent of the local population. Nevertheless, Yiddish is once again taught in the schools, the Birobidzhaner Shtern publishes a Yiddish edition, and a Yiddish radio station still operates. Some political observers — particularly those sympathetic to the Palestinian cause in the Middle East — have proposed resurrecting the Jewish Autonomous Republic as both an alternative to Israel as the Jewish national homeland and as a permanent solution to the ongoing Arab-Jewish difficulties. The idea has yet to demonstrate that it has garnered any significant support from the world community at large, however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

jan1974
18-12-05, 14:02
Geplaatst door Victory
Inderdaad, het is alleen maar logisch dat "israel" naar duitsland wordt verplaatst. Maar zoals het in de artikel uit is gelegt, Europa wilt niet dat weer zoals voorheen, de joden weer hun probleem worden.
Ik vind wel dat er sprake mag zijn van vrijwillige migratie. Joden die wegwillen uit Israel, die mogen wat mij betreft vertrekken naar Europa.

Maar de staat Israel is al 50 jaar een feit. Dat sommige arabische landen Israel niet erkent hebben doet daar niets aan af.

Joesoef
18-12-05, 15:53
Geplaatst door jan1974
Ik vind wel dat er sprake mag zijn van vrijwillige migratie. Joden die wegwillen uit Israel, die mogen wat mij betreft vertrekken naar Europa.

Maar de staat Israel is al 50 jaar een feit. Dat sommige arabische landen Israel niet erkent hebben doet daar niets aan af.


Wat ik mij steeds afvraag is waarom men zo weinig aandacht besteed aan de Joden die naar Israel emigreren. Met name al die Russische Joden die er afgelopen jaren Rusland hebben moeten ontvluchten (niet geheel vrijwillig) naar Israel.
En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over het misserabele leven wat ze daar nu hebben, nog erger als waar ze vandaan kwamen.

Victory
18-12-05, 17:17
West reaction illogical

Tehran, Dec 18 - A senior Iranian official here Sunday termed as "irrational and illogical" the reaction of the West and Europeans to the statement of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the Zionist regime, saying it was a scientific debate.

"Remark by the Iranian president on the Zionist regime was a scientific debate. It is not a new issue," Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi said.

"I am surprised with the approaches taken towards this scientific debate. The type of reaction the Europeans and the westerners have shown to the president's remark has no place in the civilized world," Asefi told domestic and foreign reporters at his weekly press conference.

"The Europeans are used to indulging in monologue but they should learn to hear the opposite viewpoints too instead of violating the recognized norms."

The public opinion of the world today wants to know what was in the statements of the Iranian president that has made Europe and the West so sensitive, he said.

Replying to a question on the impacts of the president's remark on the future of Iran's nuclear talks with Europe, Asefi said, "We make no prejudgment or hasty judgment. Iran's rights should be recognized officially and we will not give up our rights.

"The outcome of the upcoming talks depends on the Europeans who should not make exorbitant demands. The Europeans should better look at their previous approach and attend the next meeting after reviewing their performance in the past."

Asked about allegations about Iran's interference in Iraq's elections, the spokesman said, "Contradictory reports were published in this regard. Some charged Iran with interference while others announced Iran has not interfered at all. "We, too, stress there has been no reason for Iran's interference in Iraq. "What has happened in Iraq indicates the understanding of its people. The massive turnout of the Iraqi people ensured a good election in the country.

Asefi then extended his felicitations to the Iraqi nation on such a massive turnout.

jan1974
18-12-05, 18:07
Geplaatst door Joesoef
Wat ik mij steeds afvraag is waarom men zo weinig aandacht besteed aan de Joden die naar Israel emigreren. Met name al die Russische Joden die er afgelopen jaren Rusland hebben moeten ontvluchten (niet geheel vrijwillig) naar Israel.
En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over het misserabele leven wat ze daar nu hebben, nog erger als waar ze vandaan kwamen.
Het lijkt erop dat je joden tegenwoordig beter passen in de daderrol dan in de slachtofferrol.

Joesoef
18-12-05, 19:12
Geplaatst door jan1974
Het lijkt erop dat je joden tegenwoordig beter passen in de daderrol dan in de slachtofferrol.


Ik denk dat de naar Israel geemigreerde joden slachtoffer zijn van de israelische fuckpalestina politiek.

nard
18-12-05, 20:07
Geplaatst door Joesoef
Ik denk dat de naar Israel geemigreerde joden slachtoffer zijn van de israelische fuckpalestina politiek.

En ík denk dat de Joden in Israël slachtoffer zijn van de anti-semitische arabische politiek in het Midden-Oosten.
Evenals de Palestijnen trouwens.