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Victory
25-12-05, 15:46
Ahmadinejad congratualtes Christmas

Tehran, Dec 25 - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in a message to Pope Benedict XVI and heads of Chiritian states congratulated the advent of the new year and birth anniversary of the Jesus Christ, the messenger of justice and spirituality.

"In the world of aggression and discrimination, human being is in dire need of hearing the call of divine prophets," the President said.

He hoped for global peace and tranquility based on justice and sprituality for the new year.

Kerst in Iran... geloofsvrijheid voor christenen in iran:
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Victory
25-12-05, 15:49
Meer foto's:

http://www.politik-forum.at/ftopic4028.html

Tomas
25-12-05, 15:50
En langzamerhand verovert het noord-europese heidendom de hele wereld. En ze beseffen het zelf niet.

freya
25-12-05, 16:13
Geplaatst door Tomas
En langzamerhand verovert het noord-europese heidendom de hele wereld. En ze beseffen het zelf niet.

:stout:

Bar
25-12-05, 20:00
Wie de kerstman-junk gelijkstelt met christendom is waarlijk een wijze uit het oosten!

Mähden
25-12-05, 22:53
Geplaatst door Bar
Wie de kerstman-junk gelijkstelt met christendom is waarlijk een wijze uit het oosten!

Isa krijgt inderdaad een fallikant andere rol dan JezusG-d de Christus toebedeeld, het lijkt de kerstman wel, maar dan net even anders.

Victory
28-12-05, 01:56
Foto's van christenen in Iran.

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waterfiets
28-12-05, 09:01
Geplaatst door Victory
Foto's van christenen in Iran.


Dat zegt mij helemaal niks hoor Victory. Juist in de meest intolerante samenlevingen laat men altijd een paar kerken en synagogen intact om propaganda mee te bedrijven. Vorig jaar nog zijn in Iran 80 voorgangers van de pinkstergemeente geblinddoekt afgevoerd van een conferentie. Op afvalligheid van de Islam staat nog steeds officieel de doodstraf in Iran heb ik begrepen en onder de nieuwe president wordt afvalligheid zwaarder aangepakt. Dan kan je niet spreken van Godsdienstvrijheid.

Verder heeft de helft van je foto's betrekking op een heidens midwinter feest dat blijkbaar zowel in het westen als in Iran gevierd wordt maar dat - anders dan je suggereert - weinig met het christendom te maken heeft.

Joesoef
28-12-05, 09:31
Geplaatst door waterfiets
Dat zegt mij helemaal niks hoor Victory. Juist in de meest intolerante samenlevingen laat men altijd een paar kerken en synagogen intact om propaganda mee te bedrijven. Vorig jaar nog zijn in Iran 80 voorgangers van de pinkstergemeente geblinddoekt afgevoerd van een conferentie. Op afvalligheid van de Islam staat nog steeds officieel de doodstraf in Iran heb ik begrepen en onder de nieuwe president wordt afvalligheid zwaarder aangepakt. Dan kan je niet spreken van Godsdienstvrijheid.

Verder heeft de helft van je foto's betrekking op een heidens midwinter feest dat blijkbaar zowel in het westen als in Iran gevierd wordt maar dat - anders dan je suggereert - weinig met het christendom te maken heeft.


Loopt wel los hoor met die doodstraf. En die heidenen mogen jullie zelf stenigen.
En er zijn wel meer dan een paar kerken en synagogen in Iran.

David
28-12-05, 10:16
De commercie bloeit in Iran, zoveel is in ieder geval duidelijk.

Joesoef
28-12-05, 12:44
Geplaatst door David
De commercie bloeit in Iran, zoveel is in ieder geval duidelijk.


:D.

Bart.NL
28-12-05, 20:29
Uit: http://www.zending.org/Landen/iran/iran.htm

De staatsgodsdienst van Iran is de Shi’a Islam en 93% van de bevolking valt hieronder. Sunni Islam wordt gerespecteerd en wordt voornamelijk aangehangen door de Turkmenen, Koerden en Baluchi. Alle andere afleidingen of afwijkende vormen van Islam worden streng onder handen genomen. Volgens de grondwet zijn de rechten van Joden, Zoroastrianen en Christenen gegarandeerd, maar worden wel nauwgezet gevolgd. Bekering tot het christelijke geloof is verboden. Op de lijst van christenvervolging staat Iran op de 9de plaats.

Victory
28-12-05, 20:38
Geplaatst door Bart.NL
Uit: http://www.zending.org/Landen/iran/iran.htm

De staatsgodsdienst van Iran is de Shi’a Islam en 93% van de bevolking valt hieronder. Sunni Islam wordt gerespecteerd en wordt voornamelijk aangehangen door de Turkmenen, Koerden en Baluchi. Alle andere afleidingen of afwijkende vormen van Islam worden streng onder handen genomen. Volgens de grondwet zijn de rechten van Joden, Zoroastrianen en Christenen gegarandeerd, maar worden wel nauwgezet gevolgd. Bekering tot het christelijke geloof is verboden. Op de lijst van christenvervolging staat Iran op de 9de plaats.
Christenen zullen nooit enig probleem hebben in Iran. Waar dit stukje tekst naar refereerd zijn apostaten. En die zullen wel een probleem hebben.

michiel mans
29-12-05, 00:03
To: President Amedinejihad via http://www.president.ir/email/


Dear Mr President,

On September 15th, you spoke to the United Nations Assembly, you made it up there. My sincere congratulations, quite an achievement for a fruitcake. You said: "The United Nations should pave way for dialogue, understanding and cooperation among different countries and nations with the aim of materializing world peace and tranquility."

Taking these words into consideration, how do I have to read some of your other messages to the world? In your inauguration speech, you spoke of a historic war between the Islam and the West. You also endorsed Islamic world revolution, talked about 20.000 volunteers ready to blow themselves up for martyrdom. Since then, you wanted to eradicate Israel, denied the holocaust and you said things like,

"any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."

"that establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world hegemonic system and arrogant powers against the world of Islam."

These are really comforting words. Very much in the spirit of your UN speech. Now, I am not a great friend of Israel. I do not like their government’s policy concerning the Palestinians but I do acknowledge their country and their existence. Even if it is a 'historic injustice' that the nation of Israel was founded (with UN acknowledgement). It is a ‘fait accompli‘. However, I fail to see what this has to do with 'the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world'. As far as I see it, you are doing your utmost best to accomplish the defeat of the Islamic world. You, together with people like Osama Bin Laden, Al Zarqawi and your mislead, indoctrinated and mad followers try very hard to seriously piss off the world.

If you and your kind go on like this, one day this jihad you so very much want, may really come. Let us go into that. Suppose, for the sake of argument, all Muslims worldwide will enthusiastically follow your mad leadership in a holy war for glory and world domination of this dreadful faith called Islam.

Balance of Power:

Population:
Muslims: 1.2 billion + Allah.
Non-Muslims: 4.8 billion + other gods, about 483.

Nukes:
Muslims: A few. If used, see next.
Non-Muslims: Sufficient to send all Muslims 534.2 times to Allah. I hope he has enough virgins.

Do I need to go on? I don't think so.

You spoke to students on December 16 in Zahedan, Sistan-Baluchestan. You told these students:

-"the world politicians and thinkers back Iran's justice-seeking spirit."-"Some countries have piled up their arsenals with nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons to keep dominating other countries."-"-they even embark on testing biological weapons on people in the name of pharmaceutical donation."-"They even openly confess to their acts and shamelessly say that ethics has no place in politics." "-the unbiased scientists and scholars no longer believe that 'liberalism or humanism schools' could ever provide man with sustainable peace"-"people in Europe and the US are also quite disillusioned with their governments in bringing sustainable peace."-

I am not always happy with my government. I am certainly not happy with president Bush. However, I will choose Bush any day of the week till hell freezes over and even then, I would not choose you Mr Amedinejihad. I hope you and your evil mullahs will soon disappear so your great nation can become great again.


Like the first time I wrote you, please feel free to contact me and exchange ideas or reply in kind with some well meant wishes concerning my health or remarks about the ancient occupation of my mother. May peace be with her, and you too.


Kindest regards,


Michiel Mans




Note: to contact the president, use no more than 1400 characters or use attachment
http://www.president.ir/eng/: speeches and messages from Iran's ruling menace
http://nekklachten.web-log.nl: my site
http://www.gregoriusnekschot.nl/column_mm_dearpresidentahmadinejad.html: first letter

Bart.NL
29-12-05, 10:24
Geplaatst door Victory
Christenen zullen nooit enig probleem hebben in Iran. Waar dit stukje tekst naar refereerd zijn apostaten. En die zullen wel een probleem hebben.

Ik neem aan dat christenen die voorheen moslim waren, ook een probleem hebben.

Bofko
30-12-05, 11:54
Geplaatst door BiL@L
What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration?

Responding to Merry Christmas by Sheik Uthamin



Wat vindt deze sheik van het aannemen van door ´disbelievers´verstrekte huursubsidies en uitkeringen, het invullen van door ´disbelievers´gemaakte belastingformulieren, en het eten van monatoetjes, pretzels, hagelslag en kogelbiefstuk ?

En ook , het nadoen van de disbelievers zoals het lid zijn van een sportvereniging, het rijden in een auto of op een fiets en last but not least het spreken van de taal van de ´disbeliever ´, wat zegtie daarover ?

Bar
30-12-05, 11:56
http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&Topic=4234

Hij is weer fijn.

En Balkenende met zijn fijne-Ramadan-wens?

Allemaal moeilijk te rijmen.

freya
30-12-05, 12:07
Geplaatst door BiL@L
What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration?

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?threadid=316084

The following is a summary translation of a post taken from sahab.net

Responding to Merry Christmas by Sheik Uthamin

Question: What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration? And how do we respond to them if they greet us with it. And is it permissible to go to the places where they are having celebrations for that purpose. And does the person (Muslim) take a sin if he does the aforementioned without any intent? Rather he only does it being courteous, or due to shyness or due to being put in an awkward situation, or due to some other reasons. And is it permissible to resemble them in this?

Answer: Congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration or other than that from their religious holidays is not permissible according to the consensus. As was related by Ibn Al Qayim, may ALLAH have mercy upon him, in his book “The ruling on the people beneath the Muslim protection”, when he said: As for congratulating the disbelievers for their religious ceremonies that have kufr (disbelief) attached to it, then it is not permissible according to the consensus. For example congratulating them for their holidays or their fasts, so the person says, “May you have a bless holiday”, or he wishes them well for their holiday or something like that. So this, if the one who says it escapes from falling into kufr (disbelief), is(still) from the impermissible things. And it is on the same level as congratulating them for prostrating to the cross. Rather it is a greater sin with ALLAH. And it is a more severe abomination than to congratulate them for drinking alcohol and killing someone, committing illegal sexual intercourse and things of this nature. And many of the people who don’t have any deen(or respect for the deen) fall into this. And he doesn’t know the ugliness (evil) of what he has done. So whoever congratulates a person for committing sins, or innovations, or disbelief, then he has exposed himself to the hate, wrath (anger) of ALLAH. –End of the Sheik’s (Ibn Al Qayim) speech may ALLAH have mercy upon him--

(Sheik Uthamin continues)

So congratulating the disbelievers on the religious holidays is not permissible, as shown by the proof brought by Ibn Al Qayim. Because in it, (congratulating the kufar on their religious holidays) is an approval for what they are upon from their kufr ceremonies, and showing them that you are please with it. Even if the person is not pleased with the actual kufr itself, it is also not permissible for the Muslim to be pleased with kufr ceremonies, or to congratulate them for it. Because ALLAH the Exalted is not pleased with that, as ALLAH the Exalted says, “If you disbelieve, then verily, ALLAH is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you.” (chapter 39 verse 7) And the Exalted says, “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (Chapter 5 verse 3) So congratulating them with this is haram whether this person is your co worker or not.
So if they greet us with their holiday greeting we don’t respond to them with it, because it’s not our holiday, and they are holidays that ALLAH is not pleased with, and because it is something that is either innovated in their religion, or it was legislated but has since been abrogated by the deen of Islam that which Muhammad peace and blessing be upon him, was sent with to all of the creation. And He (ALLAH) says about it (Islam) “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” (Chapter 3 verse 85)
And for the Muslim to accept their invitations to these occasions (holiday celebrations) is haram. (Impermissible) Because this is worst than congratulating them with it, because this would entail participating with them in this. Also it is haram for the Muslim to imitate the disbelievers by establishing celebrations for these occasions, or to exchanges gifts, or to distribute sweets, or trays of food, or to stop work or anything like this. Due to the statement of the Prophet, peace and blessing be upon him, “Whoever imitates a people is from them”. Sheik of Islam Ibn Taymia said in his book, Follow the straight path and oppose the path to the fire,“Imitating them in some of their celebration causes happiness in their hearts for what they are upon from false hood. And it is possible that this might encourage them to take advantage of this opportunity to humiliate the weak minded”. –End of his (Sheik Ibn Taymia) speech. May ALLAH have mercy upon him.

And whoever does anything from this is a sinner. And it is the same whether he did it being courteous, or seeking friendship, or due to shyness, or any other reason, because this is from being deceitful in the deen of ALLAH. And this is from the reasons that reinforce the psyche of the disbelievers and to make them proud of their deen.

http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&Topic=4234

Ik kan in deze hele tekst niet 1 relevante korantekst ontdekken die de rood gemaakte uitspraak ondersteund.



In de koran wordt een duidelijk onderscheid gemaakt tussen ongelovigen, heidenen zoals ik dus :strik: en de mensen van het boek.
Persoonlijk hecht ik nogal aan dit onderscheid, ik wil niet verward worden met christenen en joden, die leer heb ik nu juist verworpen :tik:
Maar in deze tekst worden alle niet-moslims lekker even over 1 kam geschoren :rolleyes:

En een uitspraak van Taymia wordt in 1 adem genoemd met een uitspraak van de profeet :haha: Sinds wanneer zijn die gelijkwaardig? :maf:


Rare jongens die selefies.

Victory
30-12-05, 12:28
Geplaatst door BiL@L
What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration?

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?threadid=316084

The following is a summary translation of a post taken from sahab.net

Responding to Merry Christmas by Sheik Uthamin

Question: What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration? And how do we respond to them if they greet us with it. And is it permissible to go to the places where they are having celebrations for that purpose. And does the person (Muslim) take a sin if he does the aforementioned without any intent? Rather he only does it being courteous, or due to shyness or due to being put in an awkward situation, or due to some other reasons. And is it permissible to resemble them in this?

Answer: Congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration or other than that from their religious holidays is not permissible according to the consensus. As was related by Ibn Al Qayim, may ALLAH have mercy upon him, in his book “The ruling on the people beneath the Muslim protection”, when he said: As for congratulating the disbelievers for their religious ceremonies that have kufr (disbelief) attached to it, then it is not permissible according to the consensus. For example congratulating them for their holidays or their fasts, so the person says, “May you have a bless holiday”, or he wishes them well for their holiday or something like that. So this, if the one who says it escapes from falling into kufr (disbelief), is(still) from the impermissible things. And it is on the same level as congratulating them for prostrating to the cross. Rather it is a greater sin with ALLAH. And it is a more severe abomination than to congratulate them for drinking alcohol and killing someone, committing illegal sexual intercourse and things of this nature. And many of the people who don’t have any deen(or respect for the deen) fall into this. And he doesn’t know the ugliness (evil) of what he has done. So whoever congratulates a person for committing sins, or innovations, or disbelief, then he has exposed himself to the hate, wrath (anger) of ALLAH. –End of the Sheik’s (Ibn Al Qayim) speech may ALLAH have mercy upon him--

(Sheik Uthamin continues)

So congratulating the disbelievers on the religious holidays is not permissible, as shown by the proof brought by Ibn Al Qayim. Because in it, (congratulating the kufar on their religious holidays) is an approval for what they are upon from their kufr ceremonies, and showing them that you are please with it. Even if the person is not pleased with the actual kufr itself, it is also not permissible for the Muslim to be pleased with kufr ceremonies, or to congratulate them for it. Because ALLAH the Exalted is not pleased with that, as ALLAH the Exalted says, “If you disbelieve, then verily, ALLAH is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you.” (chapter 39 verse 7) And the Exalted says, “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (Chapter 5 verse 3) So congratulating them with this is haram whether this person is your co worker or not.
So if they greet us with their holiday greeting we don’t respond to them with it, because it’s not our holiday, and they are holidays that ALLAH is not pleased with, and because it is something that is either innovated in their religion, or it was legislated but has since been abrogated by the deen of Islam that which Muhammad peace and blessing be upon him, was sent with to all of the creation. And He (ALLAH) says about it (Islam) “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” (Chapter 3 verse 85)
And for the Muslim to accept their invitations to these occasions (holiday celebrations) is haram. (Impermissible) Because this is worst than congratulating them with it, because this would entail participating with them in this. Also it is haram for the Muslim to imitate the disbelievers by establishing celebrations for these occasions, or to exchanges gifts, or to distribute sweets, or trays of food, or to stop work or anything like this. Due to the statement of the Prophet, peace and blessing be upon him, “Whoever imitates a people is from them”. Sheik of Islam Ibn Taymia said in his book, Follow the straight path and oppose the path to the fire,“Imitating them in some of their celebration causes happiness in their hearts for what they are upon from false hood. And it is possible that this might encourage them to take advantage of this opportunity to humiliate the weak minded”. –End of his (Sheik Ibn Taymia) speech. May ALLAH have mercy upon him.

And whoever does anything from this is a sinner. And it is the same whether he did it being courteous, or seeking friendship, or due to shyness, or any other reason, because this is from being deceitful in the deen of ALLAH. And this is from the reasons that reinforce the psyche of the disbelievers and to make them proud of their deen.

http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&Topic=4234
Onze geleerden zeggen dat je mag feliciteren, maar je mag er niet aan mee doen.