Bekijk Volledige Versie : Iran in oorlog met het soefisme.
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In Iran zijn de mullah een haatcampange begonnen tegen het soefisme. Soefische moskeën worden met de grond gelijk gemaakt en de soefis worden opgepakt. Inmidels zijn meer dan 1000 mensne opgepakt.
Wie is de Groot-moefti van die gasten? Penny de Jager?
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Wie is de Groot-moefti van die gasten? Penny de Jager?
Deze mensne hebben geen musfti nodig.
Het zijn mensne die bezig zijn met hun leven en liefde willen voor de hele mensheid. Dat is de kracht van het soefisme.
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Deze mensne hebben geen musfti nodig.
Het zijn mensne die bezig zijn met hun leven en liefde willen voor de hele mensheid. Dat is de kracht van het soefisme.
In dat geval hebben ze mijn zege. Voor wat het waard is. Hoort dat haar er bij?
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In Iran zijn de mullah een haatcampange begonnen tegen het soefisme. Soefische moskeën worden met de grond gelijk gemaakt en de soefis worden opgepakt. Inmidels zijn meer dan 1000 mensne opgepakt.
Was da?
Headbangers?
~Panthera~
17-02-06, 12:44
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Was da?
Headbangers?
:lol:
Geplaatst door Amenzu
Deze mensne hebben geen musfti nodig.
Het zijn mensne die bezig zijn met hun leven en liefde willen voor de hele mensheid. Dat is de kracht van het soefisme.
Soefisme is mooi. De mooiste zijde van de islam.De derwisjen, muziek van Nusrat, prachtige kunst. Er gericht op liefde en het mystieke. Maar dat zet mensen aan tot denken voor zichzelf. En dat kunnen die mullah's niet hebben natuurlijk. :moe:
Maar dat haar is idd onvergeeflijk. :hihi: Erg seventies.
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Wie is de Groot-moefti van die gasten? Penny de Jager?
Sideshow Bob:
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Was da?
Headbangers?
Doen ze in Marokko, Algerije, Turkije, waar niet, ook. Is meestal alleen voor vrouwen, dan. Maar zeker niet altijd. Gnaoua ring a bell with you?
Zie Exils (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400420/) .
Geplaatst door Juliette
Soefisme is mooi. De mooiste zijde van de islam.De derwisjen, muziek van Nusrat, prachtige kunst. Er gericht op liefde en het mystieke. Maar dat zet mensen aan tot denken voor zichzelf. En dat kunnen die mullah's niet hebben natuurlijk. :moe:
Maar dat haar is idd onvergeeflijk. :hihi: Erg seventies.
Yep.
Ach, Bob Marley...
Soefi-poëzie over mooie jongens en wijn...dat ken natuurlijk niet.
Imprisoned Lovers: The Persecution
of Muslim Sufis in Iran
By Malik Carn
All is the Beloved and the lover is a veil
The Beloved is alive and the lover is dead .
--Jalaludin Rumi
Frame from Intelligence Bureau propoganda film against sufis.
The title reads "Breaker [of Islam] Majdhub `Alishahi.
Part I: Under Currents
"Can I kill myself and go to heaven", I asked the ignoble sufi shaykh I was
interviewing in regards to human rights abuses against Sufis in Iran. He looked at
me through his regal violet eyes illumined with the gnosis of Being and answered
while laughing, "If you are a dervish, Yes."1 . Thus is the status of Islam in
Iran. Based on recent rulings of conservative mullahs a Muslim can kill a sufi
student and go to heaven. The contradictions in conservative Iranian jurisprudence
is even though one is a Muslim if that Muslim be a member of the societies of
Sufis, a mystical movement within Islam, then one may be killed for ones beliefs as
a Muslim, not even Ayatollah Khomeini in his strict literalist tradition had gone
this far, this is the ultraconservative reaction to moderate change in Iran.
The persecution of the Sufis in Islam is an old tale. The most famous episode
begins with al-Hallaj a mystic of Baghdad executed for proclaiming "I am the Truth"
(Anna al-Haqq). Iran is not alone in the sporadic persecution of Sufis in Islamic
societies. Even American "allies", such as, Turkey2 and Saudi Arabia have at times
banned the Sufi ceremonies and celebrations. To this day in Riyadh sufism is banned
while American jets fly over head to patrol the verdant marshes of Shi'a southern
Iraq. Is there something inherently evil to Sufism? Is this judgment against Sufis
a majority opinion amongst Islamic scholars or the illicit deductions of
politically motivated religious clerics? What is the status of the human rights of
Sufis in Iran today? In the following article I will answer each of these
questions.
The Legal Status of Sufism in Islam and the Middle East:
The main thrust of the clerics argument against protecting the rights of Sufis is
that Islam is not like other cultures. Hence the base their claim of persecuting
Sufism as a means of claiming they must protect their culture from foreign or
satanic influences. However, we must see if this is true for if it is true then
Sufisms legal status in Islam should be uniform and there should be a general
consensus amongst all schools of Islamic Jurisprudence. Let us examine some legal
opinions on this issue.
In the opinion of the former Master of al-Azhar, the foremost Muslim academy of law
in Egypt, in Shaykh al-Azhar 'Abd al-Halim Mahmud's legal decision (fatwa) sufism
is legal and valid he writes:
"And the comprehensive definition [of sufism] is the words of Abu Bakr
al-Kattani, Sufism is purity and witnessing. And Sufism began
immediately with [the advent of] Islam. This is because Islam
consists of noble behavior as well as attunement to God in both
simple affairs and those of great magnitude."3
In the tradition of Sufism the Imams of Shi'a Islam were some of the earliest
teachers of Sufi tradition. In the Sufi lines of spiritual genealogy or
transmission the Imam Jafar Sadiq, Imam `Ali and other Imams of the Shi'a line are
always present in every Sufi school. The famous Shi'a Mullah, Ayatollah Al-Sayyid
Muhammad Baqir al-Sadr, writes regarding sufism:
"I asked him about the Sufi orders, and he answered me briefly,
There are positive and negative aspects to them. The positive aspects
include self-discipline, austere living, renunciation of worldly pleasures
and elevating one's self to the spiritual world. The negative aspects
include isolation, escapism and restricting the mention of Allah by verbal
numbers and various other practices. Islam, as it is known accepts the
positive aspects but rejects the negative ones, and we may say that all he
principles and teachings of Islam are positive."4
Even the leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini has written
positively of sufism:
"We find certain scholars denying the validity of mysticism. This is
regrettable." 5
Interestingly Sufism has been a major influence on many Iranian philosophers
whether it was the liberation theology of Dr. `Ali Shariati or the didactics of
Mulla Sadra (Sadr al-Din Shirazi), considered by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah
Khamene'i as the greatest Iranian philosopher. Sufism has clearly been an
acceptable form of Islamic faith and practice and clearly the legal decision to
exlude sufism from society is one based on political ideology and not on Islamic
legal thought. There is no cultural imperative in Islam to justify the persecution
of sufism.
Part II: Dying for Love
The Status of Human Rights for Sufis in Iran
Imagine you are a professor of theology. You are walking down a public street
suddenly the police stop you, shave your head and take your academic robes. Within
a year you will be arrested your belongings confiscated and forbidden to accept new
students and teach class. Your meeting halls demolished and libraries destroyed.
You think you are protected by the law since you pay your taxes and are a good
citizen, but you find out there is no legal proceedings even though you are a
citizen.
This has happened and continues to happen today in Iran to members of the Sufi
schools (turuq). In the Iranian Kristallnacht fellow Shi'a Muslims are labeled
dangerous to society. In the Iranian Kristallnacht Muslims who pray continuously,
who uphold God's Unity (tawhid) are labeled by the Intelligence Bureau of the
Ministry of Information (Vezarat-e Ettela'at)6 as "worse than Salman Rushdie"7 . In
the Iranian Kristallnacht the foundations of Islamic Law, the law claimed to be
promoted by the Gestapo tactics of reactionary Mullahs-- the Qur`an and Sunnah, are
arbitrarily dismissed for personal opinions (ra'y) founded on political agendas8 .
As it is established in Islamic Law and the general consensus of religious scholars
that according to the Islamic Council of Europe's decision in the declaration of
Universal Islamic Human Rights that all Muslims are entitled to fair and just means
of adjudication which is denied to the Sufis. It is the modus operandi of the
Intelligence Bureau to attack sufism through veiled means, mindful that the general
population has turned against the reactionary revolution.
Veiled Death Sentences for the Unveiled Love of God:
The Intelligence Bureau has had to rely on indirect methods of persecution in the
case of the Sufis. In this case they have singled out acts taken out of context to
issue Revolutionary Court decrees of imprisonment and death for such violations of
adultery and homosexuality and outright fabrications of narcotics trafficking to
persecute the Sufis. In the evidence presented to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah
Khameini under the title of "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tail of a Rooster" the
Intelligence Bureau presents the case against the Sufis.
Dedication to Imam Khomeini from "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tale of the
Rooster"
The presentation is comprised of a video, intended as a legal brief asking for a
fatwa from the Supreme Leader of death for Sufis. The video legal briefing
documents alleged violations of the Shari'ah of Shi'a Clerical Islam. The video
itself is comprised of misleading statements, dubbing, editing/content
manipulation, surveillance tapes, stolen family videos, coerced confessions and
practices taken out of context to portray the Sufis as a dangerous heresy to the
conservative clerical establishment.
Majdhub `Alishahi's taped coerced confession of misguiding the community taped in
Evin Prison, Tehran.
In the case of Majdhub `Alishahi of the Gunabadi School, the Intelligence Bureau
attempts to establish that Shaykh Majdhub `Alishahi commits the crime of adultery
and homosexuality. The act he was accused of itself fits neither the definition of
adultery nor homosexuality but was used by the Intelligence Bureau as justification
for his execution after a coerced confession of misleading the community (`ummah).
The act involves the "dervish" handshake. In Sufism when two dervishes, regardless
of sex, meet each other they grasp each others hand and kiss the hand manifesting
the Sufi doctrine of Divine Love for God and creation. This act has no sexual
intention and even if it did does not meet the definition of sexual intercourse in
the Islamic Shari'a. In the Video brief the Shaykh is seen reciting poetry which
puts his students in an mystical state. After which his students approach him and
kiss his hand according to the custom of the "dervish" handshake. The events occur
after a marriage officiated by him between a male and female students, obviously
heterosexual. Later in the video brief he is shown confessing to misguiding the
people. In his filmed testimony which occurs in the infamous Evin prison in Tehran
(Dec. '96) there are obvious signs of torture. He was later executed based on this
coerced confession. He is shown wiping his eyes interspersed with scenes of alleged
violations: the dervish handshake, women and men socially mingling, etc. Later at
the 40th day marking the ending of the period of morning in Iranian society the
government attempted to harass the Sufis by denying them access to water at the
commemoration attended by over 40,000 persons9 .
In the case of Wafa `Alishahi of the Khaksar School, the same false accusations and
manipulation occurs. Interestingly in this case the accusations are based on
adultery. In the video stolen from the order by infiltrators under cover for the
Intelligence Bureau the audio is dubbed over with sexually explicit innuendo. We
see the female dervish, not wearing hijab, go into a mystical state of ecstasy. The
student is shown in a trance state in the motions of a mystical dance. Over this
image is dubbed the sounds of what may described as sexual innuendo with the
Intelligence Bureau narrator speaking to the effect that this was an case of
adultery. Especially when the Shaykh touches the student trying to bring the
student out of the mystical state and stabilizing the students psychological
condition. Shaykh Wafa `Alishahi was later executed for adultery based on this
evidence.
The same manipulation of context occurs in many of the other cases presented in the
video briefing. Importantly Pir Ihsan `Ali Shah of the Khaksar Order is shown in
the video accused of the crime of allowing men and women to interact socially in
close physical proximity and touching women. Pir Ihsan `Ali Shah was killed
"accidentally" four months ago under the care of a government acupuncturist. When
an acupuncture needle was inserted into his brain.
According to Iranian refugees this women is an paid informant giving false witness
that Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh made illicit sexual advances.
The Nimatullahi-Dhu'r-Riyasatayni school had all of it's houses (khaniqah) closed,
in the video a panel of women is shown accusing Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, the Pir of
the school, of rape. Dr. Nurbakhsh is in his 80's. In one sequence of images
showing Dr. Nurbakshsh's students a hidden camera is used inside a private
residence, in Islamic law it is forbidden to spy in this manner.
The video briefing has recently resulted in the genocidal decision of the
conservative Shi'a 'uluma of the Howzeh `Ilmiyah by the pen of one of it's members,
Ayatollah Raja'i who declared that anyone who kills a sufi student will go to
heaven. Thus, it has become a policy of the conservative `uluma to intimidate and
threaten Sufis with death.
Cases of Human Rights Abuses in the last two years:
In the last two years the following specific instances of human rights violations
have occurred. The following information was gathered from interviews with refugees
and government sources10 .
The Khaksar Five, five member of the Khaksar school executed.
Majdhub `Ali Shahi of the Gunabadi school executed December, 1996.
Dhu'r-Riyasatayni school closed, except for one house in
Tehran.
`Ali Ishaq Sadiqi of the Qadiri school executed.
A Ministry of Information Propaganda Film is being produced
against Sufis.
Closing of Sufi Publishing Houses, government control of all
sufi books.
False Trials, Witness Tampering, Bribery, Sufis tried in
military/espionage
courts instead of civil courts.
Mysterious death of Ihsan `Ali Shah of the Khaksar Tariqat.
Denial of Freedom of Association, Work, Speech, Medical Care, Life,
Freedom, Fair Trial, Freedom from Abuse of Power, Honor and Reputation,
Belief, Religion, Property, Education, Privacy and Commerce.
Safi `Ali Shahi schools destroyed and persons missing.
Obviously a pattern of systematic repression under the guise of moral policing is
occurring in the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Violations of the Islamic Declaration of Human Rights by the Intelligence Bureau:
According to the Islamic Council of Europe's policy of Islamic Human Rights11
established on the principles of the Qur'an and Sunnah of Islamic Law the following
violations have occurred by the Islamic Revolutionary Courts in Iran and the
Intelligence Bureau of the Ministry of Information of the Islamic Republic of Iran
in the case of the Muslim Sufis of the Islamic Republic:
Right to Life (article 1)
Right to Freedom (article 2)
Right to Equality and Prohibition Against Impermissible
Discrimination
(Article 3)
Right to Justice (article 4) "to self-defense against any charges that are
preferred against him and to obtain fair adjudication before an independent
judicial tribunal in any dispute with public authorities or any other
person."
Right to Fair Trial (article 5)
Right to Protection Against Abuse of Power (article 6)
Right to Protection of Honor and Reputation (article 7)
Right to Freedom of Belief, Thought and Speech (Article 12)
Right to Freedom of Religion (Article 13)
Right to Free Association (Article 14)
The Economic Order and the Rights Evolving Therefrom (Article
15, section
b), "All human beings are entitled to earn their living according to
the Law".
Right to Protection of Property (Article 16)
Right to Education (Article 21)
Right of Privacy (Article 22)
We can once more see that the repression of sufism is based on illicit legal
deductions (wahm) of the 'uluma to rationalize their political agenda. The
documents of the Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights establishes that
through the Qur'an and Sunnah of Islam that the foundations of human rights must be
adhered to. In the case of the conservative reactionaries the Qur'an and Sunnah are
willfully ignored at the expense of human life.
Conclusion: the Realpolitik of the persecution of the Sufis in Iran
In conclusion we must ask the question of who is persecuting the Sufis and for what
reasons? It is established that persecution is occurring and is likely to worsen if
not addressed by international human rights organizations including Islamic Human
Rights organizations. In the publications attacking the Sufis there is one name
which is constant, the Howzeh `Ilmiyah. What is the Howzeh `Ilmiyah? It is a group
of conservative scholars which gathers in Isfahan to decide what is legal, approved
and disapproved of in Iranian society. Its stalwart members include speaker of
Parliament Nutq Nuri the defeated presidential candidate in opposition to President
Khatami of the moderate group of reformist Mullahs in Iran. It is no secret that
there is an internal conflict being played out inside Iran pitting Mullah against
Mullah for control of the country. It is known that the Sufis are not involved in
politics, at least directly. So why pick on the Sufis to achieve a political
victory. Perhaps, it is the sufi idea of love which prevents them from engaging in
leadership and violence. This doctrine makes them easy targets for politically
ambitious persons in the competing groups of religious scholars, even more so for
conservatives whose natural disdain for Sufis is obvious. It is estimated that
there are 15 million Sufis in Iran the development of open persecution has pushed
most of their leaders out of the country and their students into internal hiding
and denial of their true beliefs. A powerful block of voters if true democracy was
allowed to function in Iran. However, we can conclude that the conservatives will
maintain control of the Intelligence Bureau, the Ministry of Information and the
Military to prohibit true democracy. In this environment they have attempted to
neutralize a large block of opposition votes. Thus preventing love and democracy
from flourishing in Iran.
Footnotes:
[1] Malik Carn, "Interview with Iranian Refugees", Western Europe, 11/4/98. For the
history of Iranian Sufism see http://welcome.to/~safi or http://www.nimatullahi.org
[2] In the case of Turkey the sufi ceremonies and meeting halls were banned by a
secular government. See http://www.sufism.org for the history of Turkish Sufism.
[3] Shaykh 'Abd al-Halim Mahmud (Translated by Dr. A. Godlas), "Fatwa on Sufism",
http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/abdalhalim.html, downloaded 11/7/98.
[4] Quoted in "A Meeting with Al Sayyid Muhammad Baqir al Sadr", downloaded from
http://www.al-islam.org/search/index.html, Nov. 7, 1998.
[5] Ayatollah Khomeini, Islam & Revolution, Writings and Declarations of Imam
Khomeini, Mizan Press, ISBN 0-933782-04-7, pages 419 to 423, quoted in "Sufism and
Islam" by Al-Hajj Mulla Bashir Rahim,
http://www.al-islam.org/beliefs/spirituality/main.html, downloaded 11/7/98.
[6] The Ministry Information is referred to as the Ministry of Intelligence by the
Iranian Government in official publications (i.e. http://www.netiran.com). The
Minister of Information is appointed by the Executive, President Khatami, and is a
component of the National Security Council. Its current leader is Qorbanali Dorri
Najafabadi, he was appointed as a personal representative of Ayatollah Khomeini and
was prosecutor general of the Islamic revolution tribunals in Chaharmahal-Bakhtiari
province of Iran. He has become the apologist for NSC interference in Shi'a
religious beliefs regarding the role of marja-i taqlid, specifically in the case of
Ayatollah Montazeri.
[7] Narration from "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tail of a Rooster", Ministry of
Information Intelligence Bureau, Islamic Republic of Iran, 1997. Salman Rushdie was
the recipient of a fatwa of death from Ayatollah Khomeini.
[8] In a private anonymous interview with a former Shaykh it was pointed out that
one possiblity of the persecution of Sufism in Iran is to antagonize the moderate
reforms of President Khatami.
[9] Malik Carn "Interview with Iranian Refugees", Western Europe, Nov 4, 1998.
[10] At this time no further details can be released regarding the sources of the
information from Iranian refugees. It is anticipated that at a later point that
specific accreditation will be added. The government information is gathered from
Iranian newspapers and the Ministry of Information Intelligence Bureau's video
brief.
[11] Islamic Council of Europe, "Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights, 21
Dhul Qaidah 1401 (19 September 1981)", http://www.alhewar.com/ISLAMDECL.html,
downloaded 11/8/98.
In Iran zijn de mullah een haatcampange begonnen tegen het soefisme. Soefische moskeën worden met de grond gelijk gemaakt en de soefis worden opgepakt. Inmidels zijn meer dan 1000 mensne opgepakt.
Als dit waar is scharen deze mullah zich in een traditie die al eeuwen aan de gang is. Sufisme is nu eenmaal dynamiet onder de peilers van een zichzelf god wanende religieuze leiderskliek.
Dat dynamiet is ze altijd geweest en dat zal ze altijd blijven.
Troost je met een woord van Ghandi dat alle totalitaire regimes in de geschiedenis nooit lang stand hebben gehouden en verdwenen zijn, terwijl de kracht van het sufisme universeel is en altijd blijft bestaan.
Ik zei bron, niet 'plaats een of ander artikel van een gozer'.
Dit kan niet kloppen omdat ik de sufi's ken als een van de meest radicale supporters van Iran... daarom heb ik het altijd goed gehad met hen. Je wilt niet weten hoe ver hun liefde voor Imam Khomeini (r) gaat.
Maar er zijn twee soorten sufi's... je hebt de een waarvan een gedeelte van hun geloof blashemie is... en je hebt de andere die wel goed zijn... die hebben gewoon liefde en weet ik veel allemaal...
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Doen ze in Marokko, Algerije, Turkije, waar niet, ook. Is meestal alleen voor vrouwen, dan. Maar zeker niet altijd. Gnaoua ring a bell with you?
Zie Exils (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400420/) .
Ja ja betweter.
Ik heb alleen ,nooit zo'n gasten zien smijten met hun haar.
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Ja ja betweter.
Ik heb alleen ,nooit zo'n gasten zien smijten met hun haar.
:hihi: Dan moet je langer blijven.
Geplaatst door mark61
:hihi: Dan moet je langer blijven.
Waar, op zo'n party?
Geplaatst door delirious
Ik heb alleen ,nooit zo'n gasten zien smijten met hun haar.
Nooit een optreden van Status Quo gezien ? :lachu:
Geplaatst door Bofko
Nooit een optreden van Status Quo gezien ? :lachu:
In Iran.
Hoe ist kruikenzeiker, bijna he?
Geplaatst door Amenzu
Deze mensne hebben geen musfti nodig.
Het zijn mensne die bezig zijn met hun leven en liefde willen voor de hele mensheid. Dat is de kracht van het soefisme.
Misschien weet je dat niet, maar soefisten zijn afhankelijk van hun sheigh (meester). Men wordt namelijk niet zomaar een soefi, voor alle duidelijkheid. Hij dient namelijk grotendeels van zijn leven een soefiemeester te volgen, om zo het zogenaamde 'niveau' van Tajallay-i-sirrul sirr (het geheim van het geheim van de schepping) weten te boeken, zoals de Qadiri Rifai soefi Order.
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Hoe ist kruikenzeiker, bijna he?
Totaal niet aan mij besteedt. :blij:
Ik ga maar eens flink zoeken naar profeet-bespottingen volgende week, denk ik.
Geplaatst door delirious
Waar, op zo'n party?
Yo. Roken toegestaan.
Geplaatst door Victory
Bron graag.
Was sik het vergeten bij te vermelden??
het nieuws is op alarabiya.net te lezen.
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Was sik het vergeten bij te vermelden??
het nieuws is op alarabiya.net te lezen.
pfft... dat verklaart in ieder geval alles...
dr SiliconValley
17-02-06, 17:15
http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7731
1,000 arrested after police and Sufis clash in Iran
15 Feb 2006 13:32:58 GMT
Source: Reuters
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ARA543607.htm
TEHRAN, Feb 15 (Reuters) - Iranian police have arrested around 1,000 people in the central seminary city of Qom after violent clashes over the closure of a house of worship used by mystical Sufi Muslims, city officials said on Wednesday.
Officials and a Qom resident said the police had fired teargas to disperse a crowd of dervishes, or mystics, and those who had gathered to support them. They said the dervishes were armed with knives and stones.
Around 200 people were hurt in the clash, one official said.
The fighting erupted on Monday after the Sufis refused to evacuate a suburban house where they had been congregating for dervish rites, said an official at Qom municipality who spoke on condition of anonymity.
"The violence ended and their place was knocked down on Tuesday," he said, adding the municipality had demolished the building because the Sufis had illegally turned their residential building into a centre of worship.
Sufi Muslim spirituality is tolerated under mainly Shi'ite Iran's strict Islamic laws, although some senior religious figures occasionally call for a clampdown on its rites.
The governor-general of Qom accused the dervishes of being part of a foreign plot, but he did not explain this.
"We did not aim to confront them at first, but when we felt that ... a plot was under way, we took steps," Abbas Mohtaj was quoted as saying by the Jomhuri-ye Eslami newspaper.
"The arrogant powers are exploiting every opportunity to create insecurity in our country and (the Sufis') links to foreign countries are evident," he added. Mohtaj said about 200 people had been hurt and around 1,000 arrested.
The Sufis' mystical path to God through dance and music does not go down well with some of the most senior religious figures in the country.
Ayatollah Hossein Nouri-Hamedani in September called for a clampdown on dervish groups in the holy city of Qom, which he called a "danger to Islam".
Some said the tensions with dervishes in Qom were due to the increasing popularity of Sufism there.
"Dervishes were becoming popular in Qom and the officials wanted to crackdown on them," said an employee at one of Qom's reformist seminaries.
dr SiliconValley
17-02-06, 17:17
FREE IRAN Strategy?
Can We Open Prison Door From Inside Prison When Islamofascist Militia (Basij) In Control?
What’s the most Effective Strategy of releasing 70 million Iranian People as the hostages of Islamist Clerical regime , Islamofascist Militia (Basij) and Islamofascist security forces (Elements of Pasdaran and others) and replace the regime with Free Society and Secular Democracy ?
1. Support Iranian people for general strike.
2. Support Iranian dissidents as possible elements of change.
3. Zero tolerance to human rights violations in Iran and demand release of all political prisoners NOW.
4. To stop, with immediate effect, all international trades with the undemocratic Islamic “Republic” of Iran.
5. To stop the purchase of oil from Iran and not to start any new contracts or renew any existing ones.
3. To blockade Iran’s ports in the Persian Gulf and also possibly the Caspian Sea.
6. Provide all necessary financial and military support for the freedom-loving Iranian opposition both inside and outside Iran to remove the regime in a short period of time.
7. Training for 200,000 Iranian youth to replace the Islamofascist elements of security forces when the regime collapse.
8. Financial help for Iranian oppositions for secular democracy in Iran to match the amount that the Islamist regime and Saudi regime spends for Islamist terrorism....
9. Islamist Regime must be kicked out of UN.
10. Launch US surgical military strikes against Islamofascist elements of regime.
11. Help Iranian Security Forces Uprising.
12. ......?
This is for your review and comments.
http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7734
dr SiliconValley
17-02-06, 17:22
Islamist Regime Achievements In Past 27 Years:
1. Execution, flogging, stoning and amputation of limbs in public.
2. Mass killings of political prisoners.
3. Assassination of political dissidents outside of Iran.
4. Political serial killings in Iran.
5. Construction of many new prisons holding thousands of political prisoners.
6. Political oppression.
7. Promotion of international and domestic terrorism.
8. Violation of human rights in every category.
9. Lack of civil liberties.
10. Improvement and growth of Iran's Cemeteries.
11. Killing and imprisonment of journalists.
12. Violation of women's rights.
13. Censorship and closure of publications.
14. Forcing Iranians to flee the country resorting in five million refugees throughout the world and "brain drain".
15. Oppression of religious minorities.
16. Filtering the internet.
17. Jamming out of country satellite TV and radio stations.
18. Stealing Iran's wealth by the Mullahs and transfer of funds to abroad.
19. Destruction of Iran's Economy.
20. Widespread poverty throughout Iran.
21. Severe Inflation.
22. Devaluation of Iranian Rial.
23. Increase in unemployment.
24. Increase in the crime rate.
25. Promotion of corruption, prostitution and addiction.
26. Housing crisis in Iran.
27. Malnutrition, retarded growth and increased rate of depression among Iranian youth.
28. Public health crisis in Iran.
29. Making Iran an international "embarrassment".
30. 1979 Occupation of the US Embassy in Tehran and holding hostages for 444 days.
31. Conflict with neighboring countries.
32. Iran-Iraq War resulting in millions dead, wounded, handicapped and homeless.
33. Destruction of Iran's Airline Industry.
34. Causing economic sanctions against Iran.
35. Producing weapon's of mass destruction.
36. Inability to get Iran's fair share of natural resources from Caspian Sea.
37. Promoting regional conflicts in the Middle East.
38. Destruction of Iran's industries.
39. Lack of technological advancements.
40. Air and environmental pollution crisis in Iran.
41. Destruction of Iran’s agriculture.
42. Destructions of fine arts, theater, cinema and music in Iran.
43. Promoting Islamic Fundamentalism.
44. Closure of Iranian Universities under cultural revolution for three years.
45. Attacking University campuses to kill and crack down on students.
46. Violating the constitution of the "Islamic Republic".
47. Hiring hooligans to beat and crack down on Iranian citizens.
48. Improving and selling contraband by regimes elements for additional income.
49. Selling Iranian women as sex slaves in the United Arab Emarets.
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Imprisoned Lovers: The Persecution
of Muslim Sufis in Iran
By Malik Carn
All is the Beloved and the lover is a veil
The Beloved is alive and the lover is dead .
--Jalaludin Rumi
Frame from Intelligence Bureau propoganda film against sufis.
The title reads "Breaker [of Islam] Majdhub `Alishahi.
Part I: Under Currents
"Can I kill myself and go to heaven", I asked the ignoble sufi shaykh I was
interviewing in regards to human rights abuses against Sufis in Iran. He looked at
me through his regal violet eyes illumined with the gnosis of Being and answered
while laughing, "If you are a dervish, Yes."1 . Thus is the status of Islam in
Iran. Based on recent rulings of conservative mullahs a Muslim can kill a sufi
student and go to heaven. The contradictions in conservative Iranian jurisprudence
is even though one is a Muslim if that Muslim be a member of the societies of
Sufis, a mystical movement within Islam, then one may be killed for ones beliefs as
a Muslim, not even Ayatollah Khomeini in his strict literalist tradition had gone
this far, this is the ultraconservative reaction to moderate change in Iran.
The persecution of the Sufis in Islam is an old tale. The most famous episode
begins with al-Hallaj a mystic of Baghdad executed for proclaiming "I am the Truth"
(Anna al-Haqq). Iran is not alone in the sporadic persecution of Sufis in Islamic
societies. Even American "allies", such as, Turkey2 and Saudi Arabia have at times
banned the Sufi ceremonies and celebrations. To this day in Riyadh sufism is banned
while American jets fly over head to patrol the verdant marshes of Shi'a southern
Iraq. Is there something inherently evil to Sufism? Is this judgment against Sufis
a majority opinion amongst Islamic scholars or the illicit deductions of
politically motivated religious clerics? What is the status of the human rights of
Sufis in Iran today? In the following article I will answer each of these
questions.
The Legal Status of Sufism in Islam and the Middle East:
The main thrust of the clerics argument against protecting the rights of Sufis is
that Islam is not like other cultures. Hence the base their claim of persecuting
Sufism as a means of claiming they must protect their culture from foreign or
satanic influences. However, we must see if this is true for if it is true then
Sufisms legal status in Islam should be uniform and there should be a general
consensus amongst all schools of Islamic Jurisprudence. Let us examine some legal
opinions on this issue.
In the opinion of the former Master of al-Azhar, the foremost Muslim academy of law
in Egypt, in Shaykh al-Azhar 'Abd al-Halim Mahmud's legal decision (fatwa) sufism
is legal and valid he writes:
"And the comprehensive definition [of sufism] is the words of Abu Bakr
al-Kattani, Sufism is purity and witnessing. And Sufism began
immediately with [the advent of] Islam. This is because Islam
consists of noble behavior as well as attunement to God in both
simple affairs and those of great magnitude."3
In the tradition of Sufism the Imams of Shi'a Islam were some of the earliest
teachers of Sufi tradition. In the Sufi lines of spiritual genealogy or
transmission the Imam Jafar Sadiq, Imam `Ali and other Imams of the Shi'a line are
always present in every Sufi school. The famous Shi'a Mullah, Ayatollah Al-Sayyid
Muhammad Baqir al-Sadr, writes regarding sufism:
"I asked him about the Sufi orders, and he answered me briefly,
There are positive and negative aspects to them. The positive aspects
include self-discipline, austere living, renunciation of worldly pleasures
and elevating one's self to the spiritual world. The negative aspects
include isolation, escapism and restricting the mention of Allah by verbal
numbers and various other practices. Islam, as it is known accepts the
positive aspects but rejects the negative ones, and we may say that all he
principles and teachings of Islam are positive."4
Even the leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini has written
positively of sufism:
"We find certain scholars denying the validity of mysticism. This is
regrettable." 5
Interestingly Sufism has been a major influence on many Iranian philosophers
whether it was the liberation theology of Dr. `Ali Shariati or the didactics of
Mulla Sadra (Sadr al-Din Shirazi), considered by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah
Khamene'i as the greatest Iranian philosopher. Sufism has clearly been an
acceptable form of Islamic faith and practice and clearly the legal decision to
exlude sufism from society is one based on political ideology and not on Islamic
legal thought. There is no cultural imperative in Islam to justify the persecution
of sufism.
Part II: Dying for Love
The Status of Human Rights for Sufis in Iran
Imagine you are a professor of theology. You are walking down a public street
suddenly the police stop you, shave your head and take your academic robes. Within
a year you will be arrested your belongings confiscated and forbidden to accept new
students and teach class. Your meeting halls demolished and libraries destroyed.
You think you are protected by the law since you pay your taxes and are a good
citizen, but you find out there is no legal proceedings even though you are a
citizen.
This has happened and continues to happen today in Iran to members of the Sufi
schools (turuq). In the Iranian Kristallnacht fellow Shi'a Muslims are labeled
dangerous to society. In the Iranian Kristallnacht Muslims who pray continuously,
who uphold God's Unity (tawhid) are labeled by the Intelligence Bureau of the
Ministry of Information (Vezarat-e Ettela'at)6 as "worse than Salman Rushdie"7 . In
the Iranian Kristallnacht the foundations of Islamic Law, the law claimed to be
promoted by the Gestapo tactics of reactionary Mullahs-- the Qur`an and Sunnah, are
arbitrarily dismissed for personal opinions (ra'y) founded on political agendas8 .
As it is established in Islamic Law and the general consensus of religious scholars
that according to the Islamic Council of Europe's decision in the declaration of
Universal Islamic Human Rights that all Muslims are entitled to fair and just means
of adjudication which is denied to the Sufis. It is the modus operandi of the
Intelligence Bureau to attack sufism through veiled means, mindful that the general
population has turned against the reactionary revolution.
Veiled Death Sentences for the Unveiled Love of God:
The Intelligence Bureau has had to rely on indirect methods of persecution in the
case of the Sufis. In this case they have singled out acts taken out of context to
issue Revolutionary Court decrees of imprisonment and death for such violations of
adultery and homosexuality and outright fabrications of narcotics trafficking to
persecute the Sufis. In the evidence presented to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah
Khameini under the title of "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tail of a Rooster" the
Intelligence Bureau presents the case against the Sufis.
Dedication to Imam Khomeini from "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tale of the
Rooster"
The presentation is comprised of a video, intended as a legal brief asking for a
fatwa from the Supreme Leader of death for Sufis. The video legal briefing
documents alleged violations of the Shari'ah of Shi'a Clerical Islam. The video
itself is comprised of misleading statements, dubbing, editing/content
manipulation, surveillance tapes, stolen family videos, coerced confessions and
practices taken out of context to portray the Sufis as a dangerous heresy to the
conservative clerical establishment.
Majdhub `Alishahi's taped coerced confession of misguiding the community taped in
Evin Prison, Tehran.
In the case of Majdhub `Alishahi of the Gunabadi School, the Intelligence Bureau
attempts to establish that Shaykh Majdhub `Alishahi commits the crime of adultery
and homosexuality. The act he was accused of itself fits neither the definition of
adultery nor homosexuality but was used by the Intelligence Bureau as justification
for his execution after a coerced confession of misleading the community (`ummah).
The act involves the "dervish" handshake. In Sufism when two dervishes, regardless
of sex, meet each other they grasp each others hand and kiss the hand manifesting
the Sufi doctrine of Divine Love for God and creation. This act has no sexual
intention and even if it did does not meet the definition of sexual intercourse in
the Islamic Shari'a. In the Video brief the Shaykh is seen reciting poetry which
puts his students in an mystical state. After which his students approach him and
kiss his hand according to the custom of the "dervish" handshake. The events occur
after a marriage officiated by him between a male and female students, obviously
heterosexual. Later in the video brief he is shown confessing to misguiding the
people. In his filmed testimony which occurs in the infamous Evin prison in Tehran
(Dec. '96) there are obvious signs of torture. He was later executed based on this
coerced confession. He is shown wiping his eyes interspersed with scenes of alleged
violations: the dervish handshake, women and men socially mingling, etc. Later at
the 40th day marking the ending of the period of morning in Iranian society the
government attempted to harass the Sufis by denying them access to water at the
commemoration attended by over 40,000 persons9 .
In the case of Wafa `Alishahi of the Khaksar School, the same false accusations and
manipulation occurs. Interestingly in this case the accusations are based on
adultery. In the video stolen from the order by infiltrators under cover for the
Intelligence Bureau the audio is dubbed over with sexually explicit innuendo. We
see the female dervish, not wearing hijab, go into a mystical state of ecstasy. The
student is shown in a trance state in the motions of a mystical dance. Over this
image is dubbed the sounds of what may described as sexual innuendo with the
Intelligence Bureau narrator speaking to the effect that this was an case of
adultery. Especially when the Shaykh touches the student trying to bring the
student out of the mystical state and stabilizing the students psychological
condition. Shaykh Wafa `Alishahi was later executed for adultery based on this
evidence.
The same manipulation of context occurs in many of the other cases presented in the
video briefing. Importantly Pir Ihsan `Ali Shah of the Khaksar Order is shown in
the video accused of the crime of allowing men and women to interact socially in
close physical proximity and touching women. Pir Ihsan `Ali Shah was killed
"accidentally" four months ago under the care of a government acupuncturist. When
an acupuncture needle was inserted into his brain.
According to Iranian refugees this women is an paid informant giving false witness
that Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh made illicit sexual advances.
The Nimatullahi-Dhu'r-Riyasatayni school had all of it's houses (khaniqah) closed,
in the video a panel of women is shown accusing Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, the Pir of
the school, of rape. Dr. Nurbakhsh is in his 80's. In one sequence of images
showing Dr. Nurbakshsh's students a hidden camera is used inside a private
residence, in Islamic law it is forbidden to spy in this manner.
The video briefing has recently resulted in the genocidal decision of the
conservative Shi'a 'uluma of the Howzeh `Ilmiyah by the pen of one of it's members,
Ayatollah Raja'i who declared that anyone who kills a sufi student will go to
heaven. Thus, it has become a policy of the conservative `uluma to intimidate and
threaten Sufis with death.
Cases of Human Rights Abuses in the last two years:
In the last two years the following specific instances of human rights violations
have occurred. The following information was gathered from interviews with refugees
and government sources10 .
The Khaksar Five, five member of the Khaksar school executed.
Majdhub `Ali Shahi of the Gunabadi school executed December, 1996.
Dhu'r-Riyasatayni school closed, except for one house in
Tehran.
`Ali Ishaq Sadiqi of the Qadiri school executed.
A Ministry of Information Propaganda Film is being produced
against Sufis.
Closing of Sufi Publishing Houses, government control of all
sufi books.
False Trials, Witness Tampering, Bribery, Sufis tried in
military/espionage
courts instead of civil courts.
Mysterious death of Ihsan `Ali Shah of the Khaksar Tariqat.
Denial of Freedom of Association, Work, Speech, Medical Care, Life,
Freedom, Fair Trial, Freedom from Abuse of Power, Honor and Reputation,
Belief, Religion, Property, Education, Privacy and Commerce.
Safi `Ali Shahi schools destroyed and persons missing.
Obviously a pattern of systematic repression under the guise of moral policing is
occurring in the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Violations of the Islamic Declaration of Human Rights by the Intelligence Bureau:
According to the Islamic Council of Europe's policy of Islamic Human Rights11
established on the principles of the Qur'an and Sunnah of Islamic Law the following
violations have occurred by the Islamic Revolutionary Courts in Iran and the
Intelligence Bureau of the Ministry of Information of the Islamic Republic of Iran
in the case of the Muslim Sufis of the Islamic Republic:
Right to Life (article 1)
Right to Freedom (article 2)
Right to Equality and Prohibition Against Impermissible
Discrimination
(Article 3)
Right to Justice (article 4) "to self-defense against any charges that are
preferred against him and to obtain fair adjudication before an independent
judicial tribunal in any dispute with public authorities or any other
person."
Right to Fair Trial (article 5)
Right to Protection Against Abuse of Power (article 6)
Right to Protection of Honor and Reputation (article 7)
Right to Freedom of Belief, Thought and Speech (Article 12)
Right to Freedom of Religion (Article 13)
Right to Free Association (Article 14)
The Economic Order and the Rights Evolving Therefrom (Article
15, section
b), "All human beings are entitled to earn their living according to
the Law".
Right to Protection of Property (Article 16)
Right to Education (Article 21)
Right of Privacy (Article 22)
We can once more see that the repression of sufism is based on illicit legal
deductions (wahm) of the 'uluma to rationalize their political agenda. The
documents of the Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights establishes that
through the Qur'an and Sunnah of Islam that the foundations of human rights must be
adhered to. In the case of the conservative reactionaries the Qur'an and Sunnah are
willfully ignored at the expense of human life.
Conclusion: the Realpolitik of the persecution of the Sufis in Iran
In conclusion we must ask the question of who is persecuting the Sufis and for what
reasons? It is established that persecution is occurring and is likely to worsen if
not addressed by international human rights organizations including Islamic Human
Rights organizations. In the publications attacking the Sufis there is one name
which is constant, the Howzeh `Ilmiyah. What is the Howzeh `Ilmiyah? It is a group
of conservative scholars which gathers in Isfahan to decide what is legal, approved
and disapproved of in Iranian society. Its stalwart members include speaker of
Parliament Nutq Nuri the defeated presidential candidate in opposition to President
Khatami of the moderate group of reformist Mullahs in Iran. It is no secret that
there is an internal conflict being played out inside Iran pitting Mullah against
Mullah for control of the country. It is known that the Sufis are not involved in
politics, at least directly. So why pick on the Sufis to achieve a political
victory. Perhaps, it is the sufi idea of love which prevents them from engaging in
leadership and violence. This doctrine makes them easy targets for politically
ambitious persons in the competing groups of religious scholars, even more so for
conservatives whose natural disdain for Sufis is obvious. It is estimated that
there are 15 million Sufis in Iran the development of open persecution has pushed
most of their leaders out of the country and their students into internal hiding
and denial of their true beliefs. A powerful block of voters if true democracy was
allowed to function in Iran. However, we can conclude that the conservatives will
maintain control of the Intelligence Bureau, the Ministry of Information and the
Military to prohibit true democracy. In this environment they have attempted to
neutralize a large block of opposition votes. Thus preventing love and democracy
from flourishing in Iran.
Footnotes:
[1] Malik Carn, "Interview with Iranian Refugees", Western Europe, 11/4/98. For the
history of Iranian Sufism see http://welcome.to/~safi or http://www.nimatullahi.org
[2] In the case of Turkey the sufi ceremonies and meeting halls were banned by a
secular government. See http://www.sufism.org for the history of Turkish Sufism.
[3] Shaykh 'Abd al-Halim Mahmud (Translated by Dr. A. Godlas), "Fatwa on Sufism",
http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/abdalhalim.html, downloaded 11/7/98.
[4] Quoted in "A Meeting with Al Sayyid Muhammad Baqir al Sadr", downloaded from
http://www.al-islam.org/search/index.html, Nov. 7, 1998.
[5] Ayatollah Khomeini, Islam & Revolution, Writings and Declarations of Imam
Khomeini, Mizan Press, ISBN 0-933782-04-7, pages 419 to 423, quoted in "Sufism and
Islam" by Al-Hajj Mulla Bashir Rahim,
http://www.al-islam.org/beliefs/spirituality/main.html, downloaded 11/7/98.
[6] The Ministry Information is referred to as the Ministry of Intelligence by the
Iranian Government in official publications (i.e. http://www.netiran.com). The
Minister of Information is appointed by the Executive, President Khatami, and is a
component of the National Security Council. Its current leader is Qorbanali Dorri
Najafabadi, he was appointed as a personal representative of Ayatollah Khomeini and
was prosecutor general of the Islamic revolution tribunals in Chaharmahal-Bakhtiari
province of Iran. He has become the apologist for NSC interference in Shi'a
religious beliefs regarding the role of marja-i taqlid, specifically in the case of
Ayatollah Montazeri.
[7] Narration from "On Sufism: The Mysticism of the Tail of a Rooster", Ministry of
Information Intelligence Bureau, Islamic Republic of Iran, 1997. Salman Rushdie was
the recipient of a fatwa of death from Ayatollah Khomeini.
[8] In a private anonymous interview with a former Shaykh it was pointed out that
one possiblity of the persecution of Sufism in Iran is to antagonize the moderate
reforms of President Khatami.
[9] Malik Carn "Interview with Iranian Refugees", Western Europe, Nov 4, 1998.
[10] At this time no further details can be released regarding the sources of the
information from Iranian refugees. It is anticipated that at a later point that
specific accreditation will be added. The government information is gathered from
Iranian newspapers and the Ministry of Information Intelligence Bureau's video
brief.
[11] Islamic Council of Europe, "Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights, 21
Dhul Qaidah 1401 (19 September 1981)", http://www.alhewar.com/ISLAMDECL.html,
downloaded 11/8/98.
Het is nog al wat !
volgens mij is dit een meer representatieve foto van sufi dansen.
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/Music/MevlanaSemadanceExploreT.jpg
volgens mij is dit een meer representatieve foto van sufi dansen.
Inderdaad. Fihi ma fihi.
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pfft... dat verklaart in ieder geval alles...
Wat bedoel je?
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Wat bedoel je?
Dat is het kanaal van de saudische koningshuis.
Ik geloof er nog steeds niks van trouwens. Als het waar is, dan zal het in de Iraanse media terecht komen.
Het Reuters raport had het trouwens over zo'n duizend dervishi's met messen en stenen. Niet echt liefdevol lijkt mij. :jammer:
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Het Reuters raport had het trouwens over zo'n duizend dervishi's met messen en stenen. Niet echt liefdevol lijkt mij. :jammer:
Als het al waar is hangt de context er nog vanaf. Grepen die dervishies naar de messen en stenen vóór of na dat hun mensen werden opgepakt en moskeeën gesloten?
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Het Reuters raport had het trouwens over zo'n duizend dervishi's met messen en stenen. Niet echt liefdevol lijkt mij. :jammer:
Misschien gingen ze huisjes bouwen en broodjes smeren?
Er stond dat de huis gesloten moest worden voor illegale praktijken, maar dat er toen zo'n duizend dervishi's kwamen opdagen met messen en stenen om het te voorkomen.
Maar nogmaals.. ik wil dit in de Iraanse media zien... alleen dan pas is het waar.
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Er stond dat de huis gesloten moest worden voor illegale praktijken, maar dat er toen zo'n duizend dervishi's kwamen opdagen met messen en stenen om het te voorkomen.
Als die 'illegale praktijken' blasfemie zou zijn. Of een naar de mollahs hun zin foute interpretatie van de islam zou ik die dervishes gelijk geven.
Het is bekend dat sommige regimes het niet hebben met de soefi's. Ook in Pakistan bvb.
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Als die 'illegale praktijken' blasfemie zou zijn. Of een naar de mollahs hun zin foute interpretatie van de islam zou ik die dervishes gelijk geven.
Het is bekend dat sommige regimes het niet hebben met de soefi's. Ook in Pakistan bvb.
Dus als de regering een huis sluit, of krakers uit een huis wil gooien... dan ben jij van mening dat zij met messen en stenen iedereen moeten aanvallen....
vaag persoon ben jij..
De groeten
18-02-06, 00:59
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Ik geloof er nog steeds niks van trouwens. Als het waar is, dan zal het in de Iraanse media terecht komen.
Het Reuters raport had het trouwens over zo'n duizend dervishi's met messen en stenen. Niet echt liefdevol lijkt mij. :jammer: Nee, maar gelukkig ook niet waar, want het stond ook niet in de Uraanse media (pun intended).