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Victory
15-04-06, 22:30
Iranian Jews Visiting Russia Set to Boost Ties Between Communities
Created: 04.04.2006 12:02 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:02 MSK

Moscow News

Russian Jewish organizers of a trip for 15 Iranian Jewish women to Russia say they hope the trip will launch contacts between the two communities, JTA News website reported.

“We have not had any contacts with Iranian Jews,” said Adolph Shayevich, one of Russia’s two chief rabbis. “We have heard various rumors lately, that there is no Jewish community in Iran, that things are bad for Jews there. We are happy to see for ourselves that this isn’t the truth.”

The group is a 15-member women’s amateur folk dance group that came to Moscow last week to take part in the Light a Candle Jewish children’s arts festival. The trip was a rare group visit abroad by Iranian Jews, who live in an Islamic community virulently opposed to the State of Israel — and they were visiting Russia, where Jews lived under tight restrictions until the fall of Communism.

The Iranians — aged between 14 and 30 — came to Russia thanks to diplomatic efforts made by Arkady Gaidamak, a Russian Jewish leader and businessman, and with a special permit from the Iranian authorities.

Russia is a major supplier of nuclear technology to Iran, which is currently under strong international pressure to halt its supposed nuclear weapons program. In addition to general tourist sites, the delegation visited a synagogue and a Jewish day school in Moscow, as well as the Jewish community of Yaroslavl.

The women were expected to be joined by Harun Yeshayaie, the chairman of the Iranian Jewish community, but the leader had to cancel his visit at the last minute for health reasons, according to members of the delegation.

All members of the group live in the capital Tehran, which is home to 15,000 Jews, the majority of the estimated 25,000 Jews who live in the Islamic Republic.

The Jewish women who visited Russia said their community has a good life and future in Iran. “We can now engage in cultural and religious activities" said Elham Abaei, 30, the leader of the group that came to Russia.

In 1999, 13 Jews were accused of spying for Israel. Ten eventually served jail terms, with the last being released in 2002.

Most recently, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, caused a wave of international condemnation when he suggested that Israel should be wiped off the map and called the Holocaust was a myth. The Holocaust denial reportedly caused a rare show of discontent from the country’s Jewish leadership. Yeshayaie, the community’s chairman, wrote a letter to Ahmadinejad saying that the remarks had caused fear in the country’s Jewish community.

But on the issue of Israel, these Iranian Jews would not speak out against Tehran’s official policy. “You can be Jewish and not associate yourself with Israel,” said Sarah Hay, a 21-year-old computer engineering student from Tehran.

Even far away from Tehran, members of the group opposed the existence of Israel when visiting Russian Jewish institutions.

In Yaroslavl, a city in central Russia, the local community baked two cakes for the Iranian guests. But members of the group were visibly shocked when they saw the cakes were glazed with the design of the Israeli flag. The hosts gave the guests only those slices of cake without the flag design.

But one member of the delegation said she had been to the Jewish state, visiting her family there. Some Jews use their foreign travels to meet with their Israeli relatives in a third country, usually in Turkey or Western Europe.

The members of the group said they participate in the cultural activities of the Tehran Jewish community. The activities range from Jewish day schools — one-half of Tehran’s Jewish children are said to attend Jewish day schools — to synagogues, youth clubs and summer camps, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran. One of the members of the group described her community as having “everything a Jewish community should have” except for any Israeli connection.

Iranian Jews are accorded a status of an officially recognized minority and are generally free from discrimination — although all women in the country, regardless of their faith, must cover their head in public.

Some women said it is impossible for Jews to enter some sectors of the government, but said they did not want leave Iran. “We are Iranians first, we share our country’s history,” Hay said. Abaei said her parents were too old to leave, and generally those who stay in Iran after all those years feel comfortable there. “There are no ghettos, you can live your life,” she said. She said some Jews “were slightly offended” the over Iranian president’s remarks about the Holocaust.

The main problem the community has, she said, was lack of rabbis and teachers of Judaism. There are no yeshivot, or fervently religious Jewish schools in Iran, and only one ordained rabbi serves the Tehran community, which maintains 16 active synagogues.

A Moscow Jewish leader said the Russian community should take advantage of Moscow’s good relations with Tehran to benefit Iran’s Jews. “Maybe we can invite a group of Iranian Jewish boys to study in a Moscow yeshiva,” said Pinchas Goldschmidt, Moscow’s chief rabbi.

mark61
15-04-06, 22:33
Hoeveel miljoe-hoen?

Bar
15-04-06, 22:47
Geplaatst door Victory

The main problem the community has, she said, was lack of rabbis and teachers of Judaism. There are no yeshivot, or fervently religious Jewish schools in Iran, and only one ordained rabbi serves the Tehran community, which maintains 16 active synagogues.


Zouden ze daar ook "slightly offended" door zijn?

Alsof joden in Auschwitz verklaren dat het allemaal reuze gezellig is. Alleen die schoorsteenrook stinkt zo!

Mark
16-04-06, 08:48
snel Vic, ze zijn buiten Iran.... gooi de grens achter ze dicht :hihi:

waterfiets
16-04-06, 08:52
The Jews of Iran:

There are up to 27,000 Jews in Iran today. Most live in Teheran, with a few thousand in other Iranian cities. In accordance with Iranian law, there is a Jewish member of the Iranian Majlis (parliament), representing the community.

Jews have lived in Persia/Iran for centuries. At times, they experienced great anti-Semitism and repression, including blood libel charges and forced conversions. Under the Pahlavi reign, the Jewish community thrived.

With the 1979 Iranian Revolution, however, Jewish existence became more precarious. Officially, the community of 80,000 was considered a protected minority and was allowed to practice their religion with relative freedom. However, the safety of the community was dependent on the largesse of the anti-Israel and anti-West government. In the years following the Revolution, the majority of the Jewish community left for Israel, the United States and Europe.

At least 17 Jews, including Jewish community leaders, have been executed since the Revolution, most accused of spying for Israel and the United States or on other charges. In a highly publicized incident, in 1979, Habib Alqanayan, a head of the Jewish community was executed. There have also been incidents of confiscation of Jewish property.

The leadership of the Iranian Jewish community has often been forced to publicly condemn Israel and take part in anti-Israel and anti-Zionist demonstrations.

International Affairs Division
March 2003

super ick
16-04-06, 09:35
Geplaatst door Victory
Iranian Jews Visiting Russia Set to Boost Ties Between Communities
Created: 04.04.2006 12:02 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:02 MSK

Moscow News

Russian Jewish organizers of a trip for 15 Iranian Jewish women to Russia say they hope the trip will launch contacts between the two communities, JTA News website reported.

“We have not had any contacts with Iranian Jews,” said Adolph Shayevich, one of Russia’s two chief rabbis. “We have heard various rumors lately, that there is no Jewish community in Iran, that things are bad for Jews there. We are happy to see for ourselves that this isn’t the truth.”

The group is a 15-member women’s amateur folk dance group that came to Moscow last week to take part in the Light a Candle Jewish children’s arts festival. The trip was a rare group visit abroad by Iranian Jews, who live in an Islamic community virulently opposed to the State of Israel — and they were visiting Russia, where Jews lived under tight restrictions until the fall of Communism.

The Iranians — aged between 14 and 30 — came to Russia thanks to diplomatic efforts made by Arkady Gaidamak, a Russian Jewish leader and businessman, and with a special permit from the Iranian authorities.

Russia is a major supplier of nuclear technology to Iran, which is currently under strong international pressure to halt its supposed nuclear weapons program. In addition to general tourist sites, the delegation visited a synagogue and a Jewish day school in Moscow, as well as the Jewish community of Yaroslavl.

The women were expected to be joined by Harun Yeshayaie, the chairman of the Iranian Jewish community, but the leader had to cancel his visit at the last minute for health reasons, according to members of the delegation.

All members of the group live in the capital Tehran, which is home to 15,000 Jews, the majority of the estimated 25,000 Jews who live in the Islamic Republic.

The Jewish women who visited Russia said their community has a good life and future in Iran. “We can now engage in cultural and religious activities" said Elham Abaei, 30, the leader of the group that came to Russia.

In 1999, 13 Jews were accused of spying for Israel. Ten eventually served jail terms, with the last being released in 2002.

Most recently, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, caused a wave of international condemnation when he suggested that Israel should be wiped off the map and called the Holocaust was a myth. The Holocaust denial reportedly caused a rare show of discontent from the country’s Jewish leadership. Yeshayaie, the community’s chairman, wrote a letter to Ahmadinejad saying that the remarks had caused fear in the country’s Jewish community.

But on the issue of Israel, these Iranian Jews would not speak out against Tehran’s official policy. “You can be Jewish and not associate yourself with Israel,” said Sarah Hay, a 21-year-old computer engineering student from Tehran.

Even far away from Tehran, members of the group opposed the existence of Israel when visiting Russian Jewish institutions.

In Yaroslavl, a city in central Russia, the local community baked two cakes for the Iranian guests. But members of the group were visibly shocked when they saw the cakes were glazed with the design of the Israeli flag. The hosts gave the guests only those slices of cake without the flag design.

But one member of the delegation said she had been to the Jewish state, visiting her family there. Some Jews use their foreign travels to meet with their Israeli relatives in a third country, usually in Turkey or Western Europe.

The members of the group said they participate in the cultural activities of the Tehran Jewish community. The activities range from Jewish day schools — one-half of Tehran’s Jewish children are said to attend Jewish day schools — to synagogues, youth clubs and summer camps, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran. One of the members of the group described her community as having “everything a Jewish community should have” except for any Israeli connection.

Iranian Jews are accorded a status of an officially recognized minority and are generally free from discrimination — although all women in the country, regardless of their faith, must cover their head in public.

Some women said it is impossible for Jews to enter some sectors of the government, but said they did not want leave Iran. “We are Iranians first, we share our country’s history,” Hay said. Abaei said her parents were too old to leave, and generally those who stay in Iran after all those years feel comfortable there. “There are no ghettos, you can live your life,” she said. She said some Jews “were slightly offended” the over Iranian president’s remarks about the Holocaust.

The main problem the community has, she said, was lack of rabbis and teachers of Judaism. There are no yeshivot, or fervently religious Jewish schools in Iran, and only one ordained rabbi serves the Tehran community, which maintains 16 active synagogues.

A Moscow Jewish leader said the Russian community should take advantage of Moscow’s good relations with Tehran to benefit Iran’s Jews. “Maybe we can invite a group of Iranian Jewish boys to study in a Moscow yeshiva,” said Pinchas Goldschmidt, Moscow’s chief rabbi.

Blijkt er in een onmetelijk groot toch nog ergens een plukje Joden te wonen. Krijgen ze van de regering van iran speciale toestemming (jaja je mag er niet zomaar vrij reizen hoor, hoe komt dat nu?) om even naar Rusland te gaan en dan is Iran direct een barmhartige heilstaat?

In Iran blijven ze de mensenrechten schenden (in naam van Allah)
Dat het ze lukt de eigen bevolking door ze cruciale informatie te onthouden een rad voor ogen te draaien daar kan ik nog wel begrip voor opbrengen.
Maar jij? Jij woont hier, weet alles en doet aan struisvogelpolitiek. Jij bent niet serieus te nemen.
Zielig figuur.

waterfiets
16-04-06, 09:40
Het zegt al voldoende dat er in 1979 nog 80.000 joden in Iran waren en nu nog maar 27.000.

mark61
16-04-06, 10:57
Geplaatst door Victory
The women were expected to be joined by Harun Yeshayaie, the chairman of the Iranian Jewish community, but the leader had to cancel his visit at the last minute for health reasons, according to members of the delegation.

Moest zeker als onderpand achterblijven.

I'mNumber1
16-04-06, 11:28
Geplaatst door waterfiets
Het zegt al voldoende dat er in 1979 nog 80.000 joden in Iran waren en nu nog maar 27.000.


Emigratie ?

Victory
16-04-06, 11:52
Geplaatst door I'mNumber1
Emigratie ?
Ik vraag mij af wat ze te zeggen hebben over al die andere landen waar de Joden het helemaal hebben verlaten om naar hun illegale staatje te gaan.

mark61
16-04-06, 12:28
Geplaatst door Victory
Ik vraag mij af wat ze te zeggen hebben over al die andere landen waar de Joden het helemaal hebben verlaten om naar hun illegale staatje te gaan.

Duitsland? :hihi:

Zeg, ga je me nog vertellen hoeveel miljoen Ahmadinejad al aan de Palestijnen gegeven heeft en nog gaat geven?

waterfiets
16-04-06, 20:50
Geplaatst door I'mNumber1
Emigratie ?

Ja maar je denkt toch niet dat mensen graag emigreren als ze ergens een goed bestaan hebben opgebouwd en zich thuis voelen? Voor een bepaald percentage zou dat nog geloofwaardig en natuurlijk zijn maar als 2/3 van de joodse bevolking uit Iran verdwenen is in 25 jaar dan lijkt het mij duidelijk dat het geen vrijwillige emigratie is. Overigens heeft hetzelfde verschijnsel zich in veel moslimlanden voorgedaan.

zie daartoe bijvoorbeeld:
Arabs and anti-Semitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_and_anti-Semitism

tukkersterror
16-04-06, 21:57
Geplaatst door Victory
Iranian spy Visiting Russia Set to Boost Ties Between Communities
Created: 04.04.2006 12:02 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:02 MSK

Moscow News

Russian Jewish organizers of a trip for 15 Iranian spy women to Russia say they hope the trip will launch contacts between the two communities, JTA News website reported.

“We have not had any contacts with Iranian spy,” said Adolph Shayevich, one of Russia’s two chief rabbis. “We have heard various rumors lately, that there is no Jewish community in Iran, that things are bad for Jews there. We are happy to see for ourselves that this isn’t the truth.”

The group is a 15-member women’s amateur folk dance group that came to Moscow last week to take part in the Light a Candle Jewish children’s arts festival. The trip was a rare group visit abroad by Iranian spy, who live in an Islamic community virulently opposed to the State of Israel — and they were visiting Russia, where Jews lived under tight restrictions until the fall of Communism.

The Iranians — aged between 14 and 30 — came to Russia thanks to diplomatic efforts made by Arkady Gaidamak, a Russian Jewish leader and businessman, van de deense koekjes and with a special permit from the Iranian authorities.

Russia is a major supplier of nuclear technology to Iran, which is currently under strong international pressure to halt its supposed nuclear weapons program. In addition to general tourist sites, the delegation visited a synagogue and a Jewish day school in Moscow, as well as the Jewish community of Yaroslavl.

The women were expected to be joined by Harun Yeshayaie, the chairman of the Iranian spy community, but the leader had to cancel his visit at the last minute for health reasons, according to members of the delegation.

All members of the group live in the capital Tehran, which is home to 15,000 spy, the majority of the estimated 25,000 spy who live in the Islamic Republic.

The spy women who visited Russia said their community has a good life and future in Iran. “We can now engage in cultural and religious activities" said Elham Abaei, 30, the leader of the group that came to Russia.

In 1999, 13 spy were accused of spying for Israel. Ten eventually served jail terms, with the last being released in 2002.

Most recently, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,a spy too, caused a wave of international condemnation when he suggested that Israel should be wiped off the map and called the Holocaust was a myth. The Holocaust denial reportedly caused a rare show of discontent from the country’s Jewish leadership. Yeshayaie, the community’s chairman, wrote a letter to Ahmadinejad saying that the remarks had caused fear in the country’s spy community.

But on the issue of Israel, these Iranian spy would not speak out against Tehran’s official policy. “You can be Jewish and not associate yourself with Israel,” said Sarah Hay, a 21-year-old spy from Tehran.

Even far away from Tehran, members of the group opposed the existence of Israel when visiting Russian Jewish institutions.

In Yaroslavl, a city in central Russia, the local community baked two cakes for the Iranian guests. But members of the group were visibly shocked when they saw the cakes were glazed with the design of the Israeli flag. The hosts gave the guests only those slices of cake without the flag design, because we are spy and don't like Israel.

But one member of the delegation said she had been to the Jewish state, visiting her family there. Some spy use their foreign travels to meet with their Israeli relatives in a third country, usually in Turkey or Western Europe.

The members of the group said they participate in the cultural activities of the Tehran spy community. The activities range from spy day schools — one-half of Tehran’s spy children are said to attend spy day schools — to synagogues, youth clubs and summer camps, and even a spy hospital in Tehran. One of the members of the group described her community as having “everything a spy community should have” except for any Israeli connection.

Iranian spy are accorded a status of an officially recognized minority and are generally free from discrimination — although all women in the country, regardless of their faith, must cover their head in public.

Some women said it is impossible for spy to enter some sectors of the government, but said they did not want leave Iran. “We are spy first, we share our country’s history,” Hay said. Abaei said her parents were too old to leave, and generally those who stay in Iran after all those years feel comfortable there. “There are a lot of ghettos, you can live your life,” she said. She said some spy “were slightly offended” the over Iranian president’s remarks about the Holocaust.

The main problem the community has, she said, was lack of rabbis and teachers of Judaism. There are no yeshivot, or fervently religious Jewish schools in Iran, and only one ordained rabbi serves the Tehran community, which maintains 0 active synagogues.

A Moscow Jewish leader said the Russian community should take advantage of Moscow’s good relations with Tehran to benefit Iran’s spy. “Maybe we can invite a group of Iranian spy boys to study in a Moscow yeshiva,” said Pinchas Goldschmidt, Moscow’s chief rabbi.

Kijk je veranderd een paar woorden en je krijgt ineens een geloof waardig verhaal.:hihi:

super ick
17-04-06, 09:32
Geplaatst door Victory
Ik vraag mij af wat ze te zeggen hebben over al die andere landen waar de Joden het helemaal hebben verlaten om naar hun illegale staatje te gaan.

Illegaal? Ze woonden daar al voordat er Moslims bestonden.