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tukkersterror
23-07-06, 11:43
Hello my dear friends and Annemy.

Even een kort berichtje vanaf het front.

Zit hier nu 3 weken en las nu even jullie berichten die ik heb gedownload from internet.

Ik weet niet wat de kranten en het nieuws jullie vertellen over de oorlog hier, maar wat ik heb gelezen strookt niet met de waarheid.

Hezbollah is tot op heden als enigste aan te wijzen als de veroorzaker van deze agressie en oorlog.

Zij vallen doelen aan in Israel met on-controleerbare raketten die vele burger doelen treffen.
Dat het doden tal aan israel zo laag is, is alleen maar te wijten aan het goede alarm systeem die israel heeft.

Verder hebben wij kunnen vaststellen dat Hezbollah zicht verschuild in huizen en scholen van burgers en dat zij regelmatig grens overschrijdende bewegingen maken.

Het is Jammer dat de regering in Libanon zelf niet ingrijp in deze terreur organisatie en deze uitschakkeld!!!

Het enigste grote gevaar die er nu bestaat en waar de burgers bang voor zijn is dat Syrier zich opnieuw gaat bemoeien met de oorlog.

Groetjes van Willem.

Gerard074
24-07-06, 14:42
Hey Willem,


3 weken weg en dan de Nederlandse taal al "kwijt" (Engels trouwens ook)

Morosian
24-07-06, 14:56
Waar is u op dit moment?

Divine_70
26-07-06, 19:28
Geplaatst door Morosian
Waar is u op dit moment?

Hier. (http://www.maroc.nl/nieuws/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193639&highlight=tukker) :fpetaf:

Juliette
26-07-06, 22:46
Geplaatst door tukkersterror
Hello my dear friends and Annemy.

Even een kort berichtje vanaf het front.

Zit hier nu 3 weken en las nu even jullie berichten die ik heb gedownload from internet.

Ik weet niet wat de kranten en het nieuws jullie vertellen over de oorlog hier, maar wat ik heb gelezen strookt niet met de waarheid.

Hezbollah is tot op heden als enigste aan te wijzen als de veroorzaker van deze agressie en oorlog.

Zij vallen doelen aan in Israel met on-controleerbare raketten die vele burger doelen treffen.
Dat het doden tal aan israel zo laag is, is alleen maar te wijten aan het goede alarm systeem die israel heeft.

Verder hebben wij kunnen vaststellen dat Hezbollah zicht verschuild in huizen en scholen van burgers en dat zij regelmatig grens overschrijdende bewegingen maken.

Het is Jammer dat de regering in Libanon zelf niet ingrijp in deze terreur organisatie en deze uitschakkeld!!!

Het enigste grote gevaar die er nu bestaat en waar de burgers bang voor zijn is dat Syrier zich opnieuw gaat bemoeien met de oorlog.

Groetjes van Willem.

Tukker,

met alle respect hoor. Je analyse is een tikje eenzijdig en kortzichtig.

Ik wil Hezbollah niet goedpraten maar voorbij gaan aan de rol van Israël in deze zaak is wel erg kort door de bocht.

Hoeveel VN-resoluties hebben die al niet naast zich neergelegd? Al dan niet met instemming van de VS en de EU?

Libanon als staat officieel aanvallen om een intern probleem dat de regering niet onder controle krijgt? Ik zie hier een precedent dat vraagt om misbruiken.

observer
26-07-06, 23:38
Geplaatst door Juliette
Ik wil Hezbollah niet goedpraten maar voorbij gaan aan de rol van Israël in deze zaak is wel erg kort door de bocht.

Hoeveel VN-resoluties hebben die al niet naast zich neergelegd? Al dan niet met instemming van de VS en de EU?

Libanon als staat officieel aanvallen om een intern probleem dat de regering niet onder controle krijgt? Ik zie hier een precedent dat vraagt om misbruiken.

resoluties worden door alle partijen in het midden oosten gebruikt om een lichaamsopening mee af te vegen

het is libanon zijn interne probleem, dat probleem wordt geexporteerd naar israel

lijkt me dat tukker het juist ziet

welk presedent dat als een priveleger van een partij die in de libanese regering zit je grens overtrekt je diezelfde regering verantwoordelijk houd?

Oeroeboeroe
26-07-06, 23:56
Ik weet niet wat ze er in Israël over berichten, maar hier in Wierden is de pleuris echt uitgebroken. Eerst die gasten met molotovcocktails uit Delden en nu katoesja's uit de Lutte. Het moet niet gekker worden.

Juliette
27-07-06, 00:01
Geplaatst door observer
resoluties worden door alle partijen in het midden oosten gebruikt om een lichaamsopening mee af te vegen

het is libanon zijn interne probleem, dat probleem wordt geexporteerd naar israel

lijkt me dat tukker het juist ziet

welk presedent dat als een priveleger van een partij die in de libanese regering zit je grens overtrekt je diezelfde regering verantwoordelijk houd?

Het lijkt me dat Israël op de laatste rij staat als het aankomt op klagen over 'interne problemen die geëxporteerd worden'. Zegt de term 'kolonistische nederzettingen' je iets?

Sayfdien
27-07-06, 10:51
Battle rages for Lebanese town
by
Wednesday 26 July 2006 5:55 AM GMT


Israel calls Bint Jbeil the main Hezbollah outpost in the south

Thirteen Israeli soldiers have been killed and 12 wounded in fighting with Hezbollah in a southern Lebanese town, Aljazeera's correspondent in Lebanon says.


There were conflicting reports about the number of casualties and the Israeli army said eight soldiers had been killed and 22 wounded in clashes around the town of Bint Jbeil on Wednesday.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV said "violent confrontations" erupted between its fighters and Israeli forces attempting to advance from a hilltop towards a hospital in the town.

The clashes came as more than 125 rockets were fired at northern Israel by Hezbollah during Wednesday, wounding dozens, Israeli security and medical sources said.

One rocket landed near a car in Haifa, seriously wounding a driver, medics said.

Rockets also landed in the towns of Acre, Carmiel and Safed.

Fighters killed

Israeli commanders and UN peacekeepers had said on Tuesday that Bint Jbeil - 4km inside Lebanon - had been captured.

But Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, said in a television broadcast on Wednesday that the town - home to 4,000 people - was not in Israeli hands.

"They do not control Bint Jbeil. All the city of Bint Jbeil is still in the hands of the resistance," he said.

The Israeli army estimates that it has killed up to 30 fighters in the battle for what Israel considers a Hezbollah stronghold.

Until the latest fighting, nine Israeli troops had been killed in fighting inside southern Lebanon.


Aljazeera + Agencies
By

You can find this article at:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A2C12336-D283-47BC-8EED-A8B9E6528A49.htm



Gister waren de Israeliers zoals normaal gesproken alles aan het ontkennen, maar nu moeten ze wel bevestigen dat ze hun reputatie niet waarmaken als het beste leger van het Midden Oosten.


Dissent grows in Israel over Lebanon


The government of the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, is facing a barrage of criticism over its handling of the war in Lebanon, with questions being raised about the decision to attack Hizbullah, mounting military losses, continuing missile strikes on northern Israel, and disquiet about Lebanese civilian casualties.


Moshe Arens, a hawkish former Likud defence minister, issued a stark warning that Hizbullah and its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, could emerge from the conflict undefeated. "This will be a disaster for Israel," he told the Ha'aretz newspaper. "Nasrallah will be seen as someone who fired thousands of katyushas at Israeli communities for weeks and came out unscathed."


The air force has also come under scrutiny after the loss of three US-built Apache helicopters and an F16 jet, with one helicopter reportedly downed by friendly fire. Five Israeli soldiers have also been killed by friendly fire.

En sarcastische humor........


Nahum Barnea, the country's leading political commentator, warned earlier this week that the Israeli public had exaggerated expectations of what might emerge from this crisis. "Israel is like the guy who promised to jump off the big top at the circus but freezes the moment he gets up there. 'Why isn't he jumping,' the spectators ask. 'No question of jumping,' the guy replies. 'The only question is how I can get down'."

Sayfdien
27-07-06, 10:57
Geplaatst door observer
resoluties worden door alle partijen in het midden oosten gebruikt om een lichaamsopening mee af te vegen

het is libanon zijn interne probleem, dat probleem wordt geexporteerd naar israel

lijkt me dat tukker het juist ziet

welk presedent dat als een priveleger van een partij die in de libanese regering zit je grens overtrekt je diezelfde regering verantwoordelijk houd?


Zie mijn reactie voorafgaand, lijkt me dat Tukker geen kaas heeft gegeten van het conflict in het midden-oosten.


Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?
Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice
by Joshua Frank
As Lebanon continues to be pounded by Israeli bombs and munitions, the justification for Israel's invasion is treading on very thin ice. It has become general knowledge that it was Hezbollah guerillas that first kidnapped two IDF soldiers inside Israel on July 12, prompting an immediate and violent response from the Israeli government, which insists it is acting in the interest of national defense. Israeli forces have gone on to kill over 370 innocent Lebanese civilians (compared to 34 killed on Israel's side) while displacing hundreds of thousands more. But numerous reports from international and independent media, as well as the Associated Press, raise questions about Israel's official version of the events that sparked the conflict two weeks ago.

The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.

As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners."

The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:

"The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.

MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.

A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel's official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question.

"The Israelis so far have not been able to enter Aitaa al-Chaab to recover the tank that was exploded by Hezbollah and the bodies of the soldiers that were killed in the original operation (this is a main indication that the operation did take place on Lebanese soil, not that in my opinion it would ever be an illegitimate operation, but still the media has been saying that it was inside 'Israel' thus an aggression first started by Hezbollah)."

Before independent observers could organize an investigation of the incident, Israel had already mounted a grisly offensive against Lebanese infrastructure and civilians, bombing Beirut's international airport, along with numerous highways and communication portals. Israel didn't need the truth of the matter to play out before it invaded Lebanon. As with the United States' illegitimate invasion of Iraq, Israel just needed the proper media cover to wage a war with no genuine moral impetus.




Dus, hoe sneller een propagandistische leugen ook is, de feitelijke waarheid achterhaalt hem hoe dan ook....

observer
27-07-06, 11:15
Geplaatst door Sayfdien
Zie mijn reactie voorafgaand, lijkt me dat Tukker geen kaas heeft gegeten van het conflict in het midden-oosten.




Dus, hoe sneller een propagandistische leugen ook is, de feitelijke waarheid achterhaalt hem hoe dan ook.... voorlopig zit tukker er wel en ziet het voor zijn ogen gebeuren, kan jij niet zeggen


maar nu moeten ze wel bevestigen dat ze hun reputatie niet waarmaken als het beste leger van het Midden Oosten. wat zegt dat dan over de arabische legers die al 60 plus jaar van datzelfde leger pak slaag op pak slaag krijgen?

Sayfdien
27-07-06, 11:22
Trouwens dat 'privelegertje' waar jij zonodig denigrerend naar verwijst, is momenteel het meest geavanceerde leger van het midden-oosten aan het onderwijzen hoe je met weinig middelen je vijand rake klappen kan uitdelen.



Hezbollah's Bigger, Better Arsenal Draws Israel Into Ground War


Hezbollah's Bigger, Better Arsenal Draws Israel Into Ground War
July 27 (Bloomberg) -- Hezbollah's expanded arsenal of guided missiles and rockets is drawing Israeli forces into an increasingly deadly ground war in southern Lebanon as they attempt to locate and destroy the hidden weapons.

The Shiite Muslim group has added about 10,000 Katyusha rockets to its armory in the six years since Israel withdrew its ground forces from Lebanon, military experts say. Israel can't rely solely on air strikes to tackle the threat from rockets with improved range and accuracy that may be able to strike Tel Aviv: Eight Israeli soldiers were killed and 22 wounded in one gun battle in south Lebanon yesterday, the army's heaviest casualties since the conflict began 15 days ago.

``It's like Vietnam,'' Penrose Albright, a former U.S. assistant secretary of homeland security, said in a telephone interview from Washington. ``The enemy has an endless supply of cheap weapons and can strike at you from any direction.''

Hezbollah's new capabilities, with 12,000 missiles across southern Lebanon, threaten such strategic targets in Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, as the state-owned oil refineries and one of the country's biggest chemical plants. The ``Party of God'' has also surprised Israel by adding smarter missiles to the unguided World War II-vintage Katyusha warheads.

``Hezbollah has come a long way,'' said Superintendent Michael Cardash, deputy head of the Israeli Police bomb disposal unit, holding a twisted shard recovered from a Syrian-made 220- millimeter rocket that ripped through the roof of a Haifa rail yard July 16 and killed eight workers. ``Their rockets are causing us significant damage.''

Guided Missile

Hezbollah displayed a technological leap in mid-July off the coast of Lebanon, when its forces used a guided missile to kill four commandos on an Israeli ship.

Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's 46-year-old general secretary, has promised more ``military surprises'' for the Israelis. Those include the Iranian-made C802 Noor guided missile that hit the Israeli ship and the long-range Zelzal-2 rocket, which can travel 120 miles (200 kilometers), said Yaakov Amidror, a retired major general who ran Israel's National Defense College.

Hezbollah, founded in 1982, has claimed credit or been linked to scores of attacks on Israelis and Americans, including rocket attacks on Israeli towns, the 1983 bombing that killed 241 U.S. and 58 French soldiers in Beirut and the 1994 attack that killed 95 at a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires. Leaders of the group say its fight with Israel will boost its prestige and popularity in Lebanon and throughout the Muslim world, and that it is in no rush to end the fighting.

The group's strategy is ``not to reveal all its cards, to impose its own pace in fighting the war and to prepare for a long war,'' Ali Fayyad, a member of Hezbollah's Central Council, said in an interview in Beirut.

Advance Planning

Nasrallah started planning for the next big conflict when Israel left Lebanon six years ago, said Eitan Azani, a researcher at the Institute for Counter-Terrorism, part of the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel.

``He has been preparing artillery, military actions and intelligence just for this particular moment in time,'' Azani said. ``It shows he's the one in charge in South Lebanon.''

The Israeli army says 1,436 Hezbollah missiles have landed in Israeli territory since the conflict erupted July 12, when it raided Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers. Fifty Israelis have died and about 1,000 have been injured in the fighting. Israeli air strikes in Lebanon have left about 370 people dead and thousands wounded.

`Commodities'

It probably wasn't too difficult for Nasrallah to expand his arsenal, said Albright, who led a U.S.-Israeli study 10 years ago on defense against short-range rockets. ``Katyushas have become like commodities on the international arms market, and you can get them from almost anyone,'' he said. ``They're not an existential threat, but they can certainly disrupt daily life and hurt Israel economically.''

Hezbollah's arsenal also contains Iranian-made Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 missiles, which have a range of 55 miles, and Iran's Mirsad-1 drone airplanes, according to the ``Middle East Military Balance,'' an annual survey published by Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies.

While considered ``dumb bombs,'' even the Katyushas are more sophisticated than the homemade Qassam rockets that Palestinians have been firing during the past year at Israeli towns bordering the Gaza Strip, police say.

Tunnels and Trenches

Hezbollah's superior knowledge of the terrain in south Lebanon, which has been mined and dug full of tunnels and trenches since the Israeli withdrawal in May 2000, gives them significant advantages in the current conflict, said Michael Kerr, a Lebanon expert at the London School of Economics.

The Hezbollah fighters ``arrive with an open-roofed truck, fire the rockets and then disappear so anyone retaliating is fighting a ghost army,'' Kerr said in an interview.

``Lebanon is a mountainous country with lots of forestation so it's perfectly suited to storing weapons,'' he said. ``Israel is looking for a needle in a haystack and sometimes it might hit the haystack instead of a needle.''

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says he won't stop fighting until Hezbollah is driven back to a distance north of the Lebanese border from which they can no longer threaten Israel.

Amidror, the former head of the National Defense College, said Israel's campaign fits into a wider need by the U.S. and its allies to neutralize Iran and prevent it from terrorizing Israel and destabilizing the Middle East. ``Israel must carry out its current military operation against Hezbollah until it is fully neutralized, isolated, disarmed and unable to serve as Iran's long arm,'' he said.

``There's no way to stop Hezbollah's Katyushas except by going in there on the ground and destroying their weapons,'' said Albright. ``Unfortunately that's going to be a long, drawn- out and bloody process.''

observer
27-07-06, 11:27
Trouwens dat 'privelegertje' waar jij zonodig denigrerend naar verwijst, is momenteel het meest geavanceerde leger van het midden-oosten aan het onderwijzen hoe je met weinig middelen je vijand rake klappen kan uitdelen. dat is nooit de discussie geweest, zo moeilijk is het niet, je hebt geen geavanceerd leger nodig om schade aan te richten, al helpt het als iemand je bergen wapens geeft

de discussie is waarom? het is geen verzetsdaad immers om je te verzetten moet je eerst aangevallen worden, feitelijk was het oorsponkelijke doel van hezbollah israel uit libanon verdrijven, dat is ze gelukt dus waarom dan aanvallen om ze weer terug te krijgen?

Sayfdien
27-07-06, 11:28
Geplaatst door observer
voorlopig zit tukker er wel en ziet het voor zijn ogen gebeuren, kan jij niet zeggen

wat zegt dat dan over de arabische legers die al 60 plus jaar van datzelfde leger pak slaag op pak slaag krijgen?


Hij beweert er te zitten, wie stelt zal dienen te bewijzen, ik heb zo mijn vermoedens dat ie ergens anders zit, bijv Alanya of Bodrum en het gebeuren vanuit zijn strandstoeltje met een coktail in de hand bekijkt via TV.


Je moet niet gaan overdrijven, want een echte krachtmeting met de legers die ertoe doen, Iran en Irak (toendertijd) heeft nooit plaatsgevonden. En wie snelde Israel te hulp toen het onder de voet dreigde te worden gelopen....

Sayfdien
27-07-06, 11:33
Geplaatst door observer
dat is nooit de discussie geweest, zo moeilijk is het niet, je hebt geen geavanceerd leger nodig om schade aan te richten, al helpt het als iemand je bergen wapens geeft

de discussie is waarom? het is geen verzetsdaad immers om je te verzetten moet je eerst aangevallen worden, feitelijk was het oorsponkelijke doel van hezbollah israel uit libanon verdrijven, dat is ze gelukt dus waarom dan aanvallen om ze weer terug te krijgen?

Hezbollah heeft 2 krijgsgevangenen gemaakt en een 8tal gedood die zich op Libanese bodem bevonden.





July 25, 2006

Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?
Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice

by Joshua Frank


As Lebanon continues to be pounded by Israeli bombs and munitions, the justification for Israel's invasion is treading on very thin ice. It has become general knowledge that it was Hezbollah guerillas that first kidnapped two IDF soldiers inside Israel on July 12, prompting an immediate and violent response from the Israeli government, which insists it is acting in the interest of national defense. Israeli forces have gone on to kill over 370 innocent Lebanese civilians (compared to 34 killed on Israel's side) while displacing hundreds of thousands more. But numerous reports from international and independent media, as well as the Associated Press, raise questions about Israel's official version of the events that sparked the conflict two weeks ago.

The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.

As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners."

The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:

"The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.

MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.

A report from The National Council of Arab Americans, based in Lebanon, also raised suspicion that Israel's official story did not hold water and noted that Israel had yet to recover the tank that was demolished during the initial attack in question.

"The Israelis so far have not been able to enter Aitaa al-Chaab to recover the tank that was exploded by Hezbollah and the bodies of the soldiers that were killed in the original operation (this is a main indication that the operation did take place on Lebanese soil, not that in my opinion it would ever be an illegitimate operation, but still the media has been saying that it was inside 'Israel' thus an aggression first started by Hezbollah)."

Before independent observers could organize an investigation of the incident, Israel had already mounted a grisly offensive against Lebanese infrastructure and civilians, bombing Beirut's international airport, along with numerous highways and communication portals. Israel didn't need the truth of the matter to play out before it invaded Lebanon. As with the United States' illegitimate invasion of Iraq, Israel just needed the proper media cover to wage a war with no genuine moral impetus.

observer
27-07-06, 12:34
Hij beweert er te zitten, wie stelt zal dienen te bewijzen, ik heb zo mijn vermoedens dat ie ergens anders zit, bijv Alanya of Bodrum en het gebeuren vanuit zijn strandstoeltje met een coktail in de hand bekijkt via TV. dusje denkt dat tukker eigenlijk abu jahjah is? :hihi:

Nelis70
27-07-06, 12:54
Geplaatst door Sayfdien
Hij beweert er te zitten, wie stelt zal dienen te bewijzen, ik heb zo mijn vermoedens dat ie ergens anders zit, bijv Alanya of Bodrum en het gebeuren vanuit zijn strandstoeltje met een coktail in de hand bekijkt via TV.

hij heeft een ongeveer een maand geleden gemeld dat hij voorde VN een aantal weken naar Israel en Irak gaat als waarnemer.
Ik heb geen reden hem te wantrouwen.


Je moet niet gaan overdrijven, want een echte krachtmeting met de legers die ertoe doen, Iran en Irak (toendertijd) heeft nooit plaatsgevonden. En wie snelde Israel te hulp toen het onder de voet dreigde te worden gelopen....