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Coolassprov MC
06-05-07, 10:31
"This is not the first time that Israeli society is repairing the blunders of a past war by means of a new war. People remember Menachem Begin's observation that the first Lebanon War came to heal the trauma of the Yom Kippur War."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/855681.html

Waiting for the next war

By Shuki Mairovich

The countdown to the next war has begun. Not as a result of the strengthening of the Hezbollah, nor as a result of the fact that it has moved south of the Litani, but rather as a result of the Winograd Committee report. Paradoxically, but in accordance with the history and mood of Israeli society, it is precisely the severity of the report that will bring about the next war.

This is not the first time that Israeli society is repairing the blunders of a past war by means of a new war. People remember Menachem Begin's observation that the first Lebanon War came to heal the trauma of the Yom Kippur War. That will be the case this time, too. The third Lebanon War will be declared as a correction of the Second Lebanon War. The ink on the Winograd report has not yet dried and the psychological preparations for the next war have already begun. The first sign of this appeared in the wake of proliferating complaints that the lack of experience on the part of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz, as stated in the panel's conclusions, was a crucial factor in the decision to go to war. Israeli society is characterized by an historical tendency to solve political problems by military means - i.e., via war - and public discourse is preparing for the demand that will come, sooner or later, to bring former generals back to steer the ship of state.

Even before the start of the war in June, 1967, the General Staff threatened the government, which surrendered and went to war. And also at the government meeting on the eve of the start of the first Lebanon War, the military people convinced the government to go to war. This time, the chief of staff did not need to force himself on the government; the government itself was chomping at the bit. These examples testify that the civilian level is incapable of standing up to the military establishment.

The civilian leadership is not capable of thinking in a civilian way, and it accepts the tendency to go to war absolutely and uncritically. The Winograd Committee's criticism that the government did not examine alternatives to military confrontation shows that this option, in fact, does not exist in our society's lexicon.

Correction of the flaws that the report enumerates will be carried out, to one extent or another, but the important question is what the social mood is which will impel this process. Even now we are seeing the first signs of it: the strengthening of the army and the weakening of alternative civilian thinking. The meaning of further strengthening the army is the start of another war, because military thinking in its very essence negates solutions that are not military. This is the worldview of military people, these are the glasses through which they see reality, and public discourse in Israel adopts this mode of thinking. Just as it was when the Second Lebanon War broke out - when the Israeli public, like its leaders, warmly adopted the military option.

Israel's problem has never been a lack of military preparedness, a lack of leadership or a lack of judgment. Even if there is a leadership, even if the army is prepared and even if the considerations will be military in nature - the army will again determine the agenda, the leadership will accept it and the Israeli public will scurry after it. The only obvious conclusion - to strengthen civilian culture and to lessen the dominance of military culture - will again not be drawn by Israeli society, for the next war is already at the gates.

The author is a lecturer at the Ruppin Academic Center.

ronald
06-05-07, 14:09
Dat er blunders zijn gemaakt is wel duidelijk. Ook Olmert en nog een aantal anderen mogen van mij oprotten.
Wat ook leuk is, is wat Atallah in Libanon schreef :

Lebanon searches for its own WinogradBy Yoav Stern Haaretz 6 May 2007www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/855895.html The Winograd Committee's harsh findings on the government's performance in the Second Lebanon War is a source of envy for many people in Lebanon. Several writers and leaders there have published articles calling for the adoption of the Israeli method of public reckoning to break Lebanon's political impasse. Many criticize Hezbollah's actions and the fact the Lebanese state has allowed the terrorist organization to escape without due payment for its decision to abduct two IDF soldiers last July 12, which provoked Israel to go to war. Left-wing opposition legislator Elias Atallah spoke for many in his damning editorial in the daily Asharq Al-Awsat called "Where is the Lebanese Winograd Committee?" "I envied the enemy for their ability to confront their leaders with their errors. They change governments as if they were changing hairstyles, without inflicting damage to their public. Our rulers, by contrast, are not answerable." Lest he be suspected of pro-Zionism - which in Lebanon can be spell a death sentence - Atallah reiterated that he regarded Israel as Lebanon's bitter enemy. "I nonetheless recognize that in Israel, the government must answer to the public. And so, they learn lessons and learn form experience," he wrote. Another prominent journalist, Edmond Saab, editor-in-chief of An-Nahar, called for a state inquiry into Hezbollah's accountability for the war and the devastation it has caused in Lebanon. "An investigation of a military and legal nature is an appropriate measure. We must investigate whether Hezbollah erred in miscalculating the Israeli retaliation. Saab named the lack of public scrutiny in postwar Lebanon as a cause of the political mayhem that engulfed the country in recent months. "Had we launched our own mini-Winograd committee, it would have served to resolve the prolonged and protracted political stalemate that we witnessed between the coalition and Hezbollah," he wrote.



Ook leuk is natuurlijk te weten wat Lahoud van de hele kwestie vindt. Eigenlijk zegt hij niet meer dan Hezbollah niet te willen ontmantelen eer er een vredesbestand is met Israel. Met andere woorden we doen niets en hij gaat natuurlijk ook niet meer huilen als Hezbollah het weer eens verknalt. Precies het omgekeerde dan wat jij probeert te koppen.



Lebanese president: Hizbullah will not disarmEmile Lahoud says terrorist organization should not disarm before peace achieved between Israel and Lebanon, says 'national resistance Lebanon's primary source of power'Roee Nahmias YNET Published: 05.05.07, 19:35 / Israel Newswww.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3395955,00.html Lebanese President Emile Lahoud said Hizbullah will not disarm as long as there is a state of war between Lebanon and Israel, because the "national resistance's weapons are Lebanon's primary source of power." Lahoud was interviewed Saturday on a Cuban television show covering the seventh anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from Southern Lebanon. "We adhere to Lebanon's right to stay powerful until a comprehensive and just peace is achieved. When that happens, there will be no need for the resistance and its weapons" said Lahoud. The Lebanese president referred to last summer's war between Israel and Hizbullah in the context of the 2000 withdrawal, saying "Lebanon's victory against Israel in 2000, as well as in the summer of 2006, will be written in the history books because it's a victory of a small nation that succeeded in overcoming Israel and its backers, in particular the weapons sent to Israel by the US." Lahoud implied that the findings of the Winograd commission show that "Israel itself admits that they lost the war and is holding their leaders accountable for this loss." The victory was achieved as the result of "the unity of Lebanon's sons who fight for their rights," he said. When asked about the odds of another Israeli attack on Lebanon or Syria, he responded that "anything is possible with Israel, especially an attack on Lebanon or Syria. Israel doesn't want peace. It has indicated this to us in recent years."

Coolassprov MC
06-05-07, 16:05
Geplaatst door ronald
Dat er blunders zijn gemaakt is wel duidelijk. Ook Olmert en nog een aantal anderen mogen van mij oprotten.

Laat me raden; ze hebben te weinig Libanezen afgemaakt?

ronald
06-05-07, 16:50
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Laat me raden; ze hebben te weinig Libanezen afgemaakt?


Zielig....

Coolassprov MC
07-05-07, 07:15
Geplaatst door ronald
Zielig....

Zwijgen is toestemmen.

Shemharosh
07-05-07, 08:50
Hizbollah heeft om een pak slag gevraagd toen die 2 israelische soldaten heeft ontvoerd en die pak slag hebben ze gekregen en hoe?....Het probleem nu is dat die 2 soldaten nog steeds niet vrij zijn en in een positieve en kritische ingestelde land als Israel moet er nu een politieke prijs worden betaald voor dat falen....de clown van de mensheid is Hisbolah die honderden mensen de dood injoeg omdat ze zo nodig een cowboy-indiaan spelletje wilden spelen met 2 pubers.

het probleem is Libanon meer.Dat land is zo schizofreen dat het nooit zijn eigen lot zelf kan bepalen waardoor het een speeltuin wordt voor haar achterlijke grote buren....maar Libanezen zijn nooit geintereseert geweest in het opbouwen van een land,kan ook niet,want hun land werd genoemd naar een berg...ze leven liever binnen hun eigen maffia's en bendes en afgezien van een paar autobommen en schietpatijen gaat het ze voor de wind.

Coolassprov MC
07-05-07, 20:42
Geplaatst door Shemharosh
...is zo schizofreen...

Wat je zegt ben je zelf!

Shemharosh
08-05-07, 00:17
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Wat je zegt ben je zelf!

ga knikkeren ga...is beter voor je dan de hele tijd zitten kankeren

ronald
10-05-07, 01:32
Geplaatst door Shemharosh
...is zo schizofreen...


Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Wat je zegt ben je zelf!


....met je kop door de helft. Verrek...het klopt ook nog eens.

Coolassprov MC
10-05-07, 08:06
Geplaatst door Shemharosh
ga knikkeren ga...is beter voor je dan de hele tijd zitten kankeren

Wat ik schreef; wat je zegt doe jezelf.

Je ben zeker zon domme berber?

betonmo
10-05-07, 08:35
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Wat ik schreef; wat je zegt doe jezelf.

Je ben zeker zon domme berber?

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