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tr_imparator
05-06-07, 19:51
A Little Mosque in Switzerland

6/5/2007 - Social Religious Interfaith - Article Ref: IC0706-3295
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By: Ali Bulac
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The Islamic cultural centre in Langenthal, Switzerland, that has been prevented from building a minaret.

The Islamic cultural centre in Langenthal, Switzerland, that has been prevented from building a minaret.
A few weeks ago the Cihan news agency reported a story about a debate in Switzerland over the construction of a minaret in Langenthal.

According to the story Muslims using an old paint factory for worship asked permission from the local administration to build a five-meter minaret on the roof of the factory. After the local administration approved, people began to speak out. Claiming that minarets are not necessary for worship, the Swiss People's Party, a right-wing group holding a majority in the country's parliament, launched a campaign to ban minarets. They tried to collect signatures for a general referendum on the ban, but the Berne administration cancelled the campaign indefinitely.

Oskar Freysinger from the Swiss People's Party said, "If you want to live here, you have to accept our laws. Otherwise go back to your country."

Some Cabinet ministers opposed this campaign, taking into consideration the possibility that it could anger Muslims. According to one Swiss newspaper, 43 percent of the population there is "against minarets".


The church tower of Katarina Kyrka and the minaret of the Mosque of in Stockholm.
Although the terms "multi-cultural" and "coexistence" are slowly losing popularity nowadays, this is an interesting article because it shows that Europe, like most other places, has problems when it comes to living with multiple ethnic and religious groups. In Europe there is a growing Muslim population with 20 million Muslims in Vienna and countries to the west.

Those who oppose the construction of the minaret say "the minaret is an Islamic symbol." It is correct that the minaret is one of the symbols of Islam. If you look at a city from afar and see a minaret and the silhouette of a mosque, you know there are Muslims present in that city. However the history of Islam has no record of an "Islamic city model" where only Muslims live and which is decorated solely with Islamic symbols. In any predominantly Muslim city, notable exceptions being Mecca and Medina, one can also find many non-Muslim symbols. Throughout Islamic history and during the Ottoman era, all houses of worship (i.e., mosques, churches, and synagogues) were located in the city center. In other words, it wasn't as though mosques were built in the city center and the churches and synagogues were built in the outskirts of the city. That is how a real multicultural and multi-social society should be. In this type of plural society, there are many options for religious and ethnic groups to represent themselves. Every religion and ethnicity can demonstrate its values through architecture, music, language, accents, food, clothing and etiquette.


St. Patrick's Cathedral
in Karachi, Pakistan

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There are examples of this in Istanbul, Damascus, Cairo, Baghdad, Tehran and all other Islamic centers. Sultan Abdulhamit built three houses of worship in the common lodging area -- one for Muslims, one for Christians and one for Jews. Today these buildings still stand side-by-side. Additionally there are mosques, churches and synagogues next to each other in Istanbul's historical peninsula and the areas of Eminonu, Fatih, Beyoglu, Uskudar and Kadıkoy. No one has ever said "you are Christian or Jewish and if you want to live here, you have to accept our laws (in other words you have to remove your symbols and temples)." On the contrary Islamic laws have provided representation rights for different religions. Hence the cause of intolerance towards various religions is not Islam and its sociopolitical experience, but rather the 20th century's modern political and cultural viewpoints.

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The church tower of Katarina Kyrka and the minaret of the Mosque of in Stockholm

Ali Bulac is a columnist for Zaman, an English daily newspaper from Turkey

TonH
05-06-07, 21:53
Geplaatst door tr_imparator
No one has ever said "you are Christian or Jewish and if you want to live here, you have to accept our laws (in other words you have to remove your symbols and temples)."

Gek he, maar dat is nou precies wat er tot diep in de jaren zestig in Istanbul gezegd werd tegen Orthodoxe Turken. "Je accepteert onze wetten of je rot maar op naar Griekenland en wij pikken je bezittingen in."


On the contrary Islamic laws have provided representation rights for different religions. Hence the cause of intolerance towards various religions is not Islam and its sociopolitical experience, but rather the 20th century's modern political and cultural viewpoints.

Het kan natuurlijk komen omdat Turkije, met Attaturk, geen islamitisch land meer is en daarom haar tollerantie ten opzichte van de religieuse minderheden is kwijtgeraakt?
In ieder geval ben ik het wel eens met zijn conclusie dat de intollerantie niet "Islam and its sociopolitical experience" is. En tja, Attaturk is tenslotten 20e eeuw, toch?

mark61
06-06-07, 12:38
Geplaatst door TonH
In ieder geval ben ik het wel eens met zijn conclusie dat de intolerantie niet "Islam and its sociopolitical experience" is. En tja, Ataturk is tenslotten 20e eeuw, toch?


Nee? Christenen als inferieure 2e rangsburgers zit er diep in. Al eeuwen. Atatürk of geen Atatürk, jij weet heel goed hoe het gaat met het Istanboelse seminarie.

Bij die oh zo tolerante heropening van die gerestaureerde kerk bij Van laatst waren religieuze uitingen uit den boze.

Turkije en tolerantie voor godsdiensten anders dan de islam, lameniet lachen.

mark61
06-06-07, 12:40
Geplaatst door tr_imparator
Today these buildings still stand side-by-side.

Yep. De kerken en synagoges leeg.


Hence the cause of intolerance towards various religions is not Islam and its sociopolitical experience, but rather the 20th century's modern political and cultural viewpoints.

Dus dan is het niet erg.

tr_imparator
06-06-07, 15:29
Voor alle duidelijkheid, het gaat hier over een klein moskeetje in Zwitserland.

TonH
07-06-07, 13:51
Geplaatst door tr_imparator
Voor alle duidelijkheid, het gaat hier over een klein moskeetje in Zwitserland.

Ja, dat was me duidelijk. En daar vind ik ook helemaal niks mis mee. Maar in dat stuk stond een knoepert van een omissie.

Nog even op dat minaretje en moskeetje in Zwitserland. Ik ben het voor geen meter met die Zwitsers eens en vind het van de gekke. Maar hier heb je ook van die Zeloten. Zoals de Patriarch van Athene die vond dat er geen moskee tussen het vliegveld en de stad mocht komen omdat de bezoekers zouden kunnen denken dat Griekenland een islamitisch land is... zucht.

Olive Yao
09-06-07, 22:45
Sympathiek artikel.


No one has ever said "you are Christian or Jewish and if you want to live here, you have to accept our laws (in other words you have to remove your symbols and temples)."
Dat laatste allicht niet. Maar

No one has ever said "you are Christian or Jewish and if you want to live here, you have to accept our laws"
dat toch wel.