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Coolassprov MC
17-11-07, 10:21
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.


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Sallahddin
17-11-07, 11:22
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.


http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Christians+in+Jerusalem+want+Jews+to+stop+spitti ng+on+them&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=&aq=t&oq=

Raar maar waar ??? :

Vertel dat aan de American christian_ zionists (conservatieve fanatieke christenen :maken deel uit van de Israel lobby in de VS ,onder ander!)die er alles aan doen om israel & zionisten op allerlei manieren te steunen ....

Maarten
17-11-07, 12:35
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat
Opmerkelijk.. blijkbaar geen "creatieve topictitel".

Vooral studenten van deze universiteit dus: http://www.yu.edu/index.asp?L

Coolassprov MC
17-11-07, 13:14
Geplaatst door Maarten
Opmerkelijk.. blijkbaar geen "creatieve topictitel".

Vooral studenten van deze universiteit dus: http://www.yu.edu/index.asp?L

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TonH
17-11-07, 15:33
Geplaatst door Coolassprov MC
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them


In 2004 speelde dit ook al:

Israel's Christians spitting mad
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
Last Updated: 11:53pm BST 12/10/2004

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/13/wspit13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/13/ixnewstop.html

Christians in Jerusalem have attacked what they say is the increasingly common phenomenon of ultra-orthodox Jews spitting on them.

The statement followed a brawl between an orthodox Jewish yeshiva (religious school) student and an Armenian archbishop.

They clashed in Jerusalem's Old City after the student spat at a cross being carried by the clergyman during a procession near the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

advertisementArchbishop Nourhan Manougian slapped the student and in the ensuing scuffle, his 17th century ceremonial medallion was broken.

Both were questioned by police and the student is facing charges. He has been banned from the Old City for 75 days. The Armenians say the action was inadequate.

Archbishop Manougian told an Israeli newspaper that Israeli leaders must speak out about the "daily" abuse. "When there is an attack against Jews anywhere, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asked.

His critique has encouraged other Christian leaders to speak out, including a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman who has disclosed that he was recently approached by an elderly man wearing a skullcap who spat in his face.

Daniel Rossing, the director of a Jerusalem centre for Christian-Jewish dialogue, said there had been an increase in such incidents recently as "part of a general lack of tolerance".



Overigens zijn er ook verhalen van Grieks en Armeens Orthodoxe geestelijken die elkaar bespugen en zelfs binnen de eigen groep. Zal wel iets te maken hebben met het water of de lucht in Jeruzalem? In ieder geval zou ik een paraplu en regenjas meenemen wanneer ik die stad zou bezoeken... :p

ronald
17-11-07, 21:34
Geplaatst door TonH



Overigens zijn er ook verhalen van Grieks en Armeens Orthodoxe geestelijken die elkaar bespugen en zelfs binnen de eigen groep. Zal wel iets te maken hebben met het water of de lucht in Jeruzalem? In ieder geval zou ik een paraplu en regenjas meenemen wanneer ik die stad zou bezoeken... :p


Nou niet alleen met water en lucht. Ik ben twee keer met stenen bekogeld in Jerusalen. Binnen en buiten de poorten van de oude stad. In Amsterdam bovendien ook wel eens bespuugd.

TonH
18-11-07, 00:05
Geplaatst door ronald
Nou niet alleen met water en lucht. Ik ben twee keer met stenen bekogeld in Jerusalen. Binnen en buiten de poorten van de oude stad. In Amsterdam bovendien ook wel eens bespuugd.

Ja, dat is mij in Amsterdam ook eens overkomen. En daarna een zere hand van de neus van die kl***z*k. :D

Toch raar. Ik vloog pasgeleden over dat gebied. Het ziet er van boven zo mooi en vreedzaam uit.