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Wizdom
30-12-07, 22:57
Jerusalem in the Qur’an is a great book that thrilled and delighted me in a number
of ways. I am surprised that such a meticulously documented book had to wait for such
a long time before seeing the light. It is now more than half a century since the
Zionists began their appalling oppression and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian
people whose only offense is that they happened to live in a country considered by the
Jews to be their promised holy land.

The Zionists have continuously referred to distorted scriptures from the Torah and
other Biblical material to justify their atrocious behavior and to motivate the Jews to
establish a State of Israel that extends from the Nile to the Euphrates with Jerusalem as
its capital. For example, David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, is quoted
to have said, The Bible is our deed to the land of Israel. Muslim scholars, on the
other hand, have largely failed in refuting Zionist claims from authenticated historical
and religious sources and have also failed to accomplish their religious responsibility
in clearly documenting this question from the Holy Qur’an and the Blessed Ahadith of
our beloved Prophet (PBUH). As far as I know, whatever is written on this subject is
rather superficial and emotionally tainted or simply stating facts in a cool manner.

May Allah Ta’ala reward Brother Imran Hosein for writing this scholarly document, which
will indeed fill up this intellectual and religious gap and serve as an academic
reference to Muslims in all parts of the world. As I write this introduction, this book
that was published only this year is already being translated to Arabic and Bosnian. In
a short time it will be rendered into other European languages and to all the other
tongues of the Islamic world. It must be reported however that the importance of writing a book about the Holy
Land in the Qur’an have not escaped the vision of far-sighted and creative Muslim
thinkers such as Dr. Kalim Siddiqui, Founder-President of the Muslim Institute for
Research and Planning, and Professor shaheed Ismail Al-Farouqi. I am surprised at the
vision of the former scholar who asked Imran Hosein to write this book as early as
1974. He urged him saying that Jerusalem is the key to understanding the historical
process of the Middle East and the world at large. Shaikh Imran successfully
accomplished this task after 27years. Though seemingly late, but it has come at the
right time in which the whole world is being shocked by Jenin and what happened in
Sabra and Shatila.

Ismail Al-Faruqi actually put this issue in writing in his book, Islam and the
Problem of Israel that the author referred to. He strongly stated that Israel poses a
greater danger to Muslims than the Euro-Christian Crusades of the Middle Ages or the
Euro-Colonialism of modern times. Israel, he wrote, is neither of these, but that it is
both and more, much more. He therefore urged Arabs and Muslims not to accept the
Jewish State as an integral part of the world nations of Asia and Africa. He also incited
Muslim scholars to investigate this issue in depth. I am sure that if both of these great
Muslim thinkers were alive, they would have acclaimed this classic book as what they
have aspired for.

I am amazed by Imran’s style of writing. Though Jerusalem in the Qur’an, is a
meticulously written thesis combining religious and historical documents with recent
political events and penetrating interpretations from the Qur’an and Hadith, it runs like
a story. Once you begin reading it, it is hard to stop. This is the general quality of a
novel. The person would read it once and throw the book away - but not that of a
serious thought-provoking dissertation like the book that Brother Shaikh Imran
published. It is a reference that one needs to keep and reread whenever the subject is to
be researched. I believe that this eloquence of the Shaikh must be the result of a natural
gift that has interacted with his indefatigable work as a preacher and da’iyah and the
Divine Blessings for his sincerity.

Finally, in spite of the seemingly depressing situation of the Muslims in general and
the Palestinians in particular, reading the book would certainly give one a warm surge
of optimism about our future; a bright light that shines at the end of our long dark
tunnel of history. We are living at the end of time. This is the age in which the
prophesies of the Holy Qur’an and the Blessed Hadith are unfolding right before our
very eyes to prove to humanity the truthfulness of our faith.

Exactly as our Prophet told us, we have seen the barefooted-poor shepherds of sheep
and goats in the Arab Peninsula competing with each other in building higher and
higher skyscrapers. And we have witnessed the Muslims exploding in numbers but
weakening in character and subdued by their love of this dunyah and their fear of
death thus confirming the authenticated Hadith. And exactly as our Prophet told us,
the strong enemies of Islam are now devouring our countries as though they were a
hungry group invited to a large cauldron of food. And as Allah Ta’ala Himself told us
in his Revealed Holy Qur’an, the Children of Israel, who had been scattered all over
the earth during their Diaspora, have returned to the Holy Land. And as recorded in the
Qur’an, they have indeed committed much corruption and have become powerful and
elated with mighty arrogance.

Just as we have seen these incidents as though we were watching a horror movie, we
will indeed see its imminent happy ending that was prophesized to us in the Qur’an
and the Sayings of our Prophet. The Muslims will wake up from their slumber and the
Jews will receive their promised Divine punishment. The Zionist State will be
destroyed and whatever they have built will be raised to the ground.
The book gives a detailed beautifully written exposition of these episodes with
brilliant interpretations from the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah. Though some may differ
with him with respect to his interpretations of some of the Qur’anic Verses or the
Blessed Prophetic sayings, no one would fail to appreciate his penetrative thought and
his spiritual depth. I therefore recommend the book very much to scholars and laity.

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The destiny of Israel

Abid Ullah Jan
We must realize that something horrible is in store for the world in which starving half a million children to death is a valid price but calling Israel an illegitimate and racist state the most serious crime.



Many would agree with the statement that it is highly unlikely that the Israeli oppression and unaccountability can continue for another 50 years before it faces the horrible consequences. But many would be surprised to know that it is matter of a few more years before Israel overtakes the US as a Ruling State, just as the US replaced England as a Ruling State at the end of World War 1.



Those of us who find this observation strange may not realize that we are passing through very strange times. Indications of the coming times are right before our eyes, for example in finding one set of people not allowed to simply cover their head for it undermines secular values. Whereas another people are free to occupy land, subjugate native people, indiscriminate kill and expel those who do not share the same race, and engage in ethnic cleansing on the grounds of their distorted scriptures.



Another indication is helplessness of the whole world before the Israeli aggression, defiance, WMD and state terrorism. The question arises: Why has Israel been granted this special status and special support despite the world looking at its undeniable crimes with wide open eyes? Why other countries are punished with decades of genocidal sanctions, wars and occupations for far minor crimes than the Israeli government?



One can find answer to these and many similar questions in Jerusalem in the Qur’an by Imran N. Hosein. It is an amazing book, explaining not only the destiny of Jerusalem but also of Jews, and Muslims, and the rest of the world, in an extremely broad perspective. We fail to find answers to such questions because we are lost in the distorted realities that revolve around ongoing events alone.



Jerusalem in the Qur’an shows us the future in a broader historical, religious perspective. The author proves in a mathematical way his bold conclusions, such as - that Israel is close to replacing the US as a Ruling State. The book also brings forward many hidden aspects of the Qur’an that answers questions lurking in the minds of many Americans who truly love their country and many Muslims who are looking but at just part of the Divine knowledge.



Extracting argument from the Qur’an and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), the author proves that it is just a matter of time before the US taste the fruits of the American-Israeli obsession with the Holy Land. It is exactly same way in which England at its peak was strangely obsessed with the Holy Land. “The British people were themselves incapable of explaining this strange obsession,” argues the author.



Jerusalem in the Qur’an explains the roots and consequences of this strange Euro-American obsession with the Holy Land. Using references from the Qur’an about behavior of the Jews, destiny of Jerusalem, and related prophesies, the author clearly shows how Israel — armed with enough WMD and supported by Euro-Jewish financiers and bankers — has it within its power to assume financial control of the world through the simple maneuver of causing the collapse of the US dollar. “When the US dollar goes down it would bring down the entire world of paper money with it.



This may be planned to synchronize with a spectacular Euro-Israeli display of military power in an attack on the Palestinians as well as neighboring Arab States.” The author goes on: “Israel will then successfully defy the rest of the world in holding on to the fruits of its war and, in so doing, establish itself as the ruling power in the world. When that occurs it would most certainly appear to the Israeli-Jews (i.e., Banű Isrâîl) that they would be experiencing the return of the golden age, i.e., the age when Solomon’s Israel ruled the world.”


Author’s open challenge to all

The story of the rise and fall of Jews and Muslims and the coming events is told in such an interesting and logical manner that one cannot help but sit and finish the whole book in a single go. Interestingly, the book throws an open challenge to both Muslims and non-Muslims. The challenge to Muslims is to “declare either that the Qur’an does not explain the return of the Jews to the Holy Land and the restoration of the State of Israel, or that there is a different explanation other than the one given in this book.”


To non-Muslims the challenge is that if they “declare that they possess the Truth,” they should “use that Truth to explain this subject.” That appears to be the greatest importance of this book. It validates the Islamic claim to Truth! Let us take an example from the book.


According to the author, the strangest, most mysterious and most inexplicable event ever to have occurred in the religious history of mankind is the return of the Jews to the Holy Land to reclaim it as their own some 2000 years after they had been expelled by Allah.



At the very heart of the Qur’anic view in this regard is the declaration that when the final count-down in the Last Age arrives Jews would be gathered from the Diaspora in which they were broken up and dispersed, and to which they had been consigned, and would be brought back to the Holy Land as a ‘mingled crowd’ (Qur’an, 17:104). That Divine promise has already been fulfilled.



But before Banű Israel’s final divine punishment takes place, there is great drama which is yet to unfold in the Holy Land and, indeed, in the world – such as the establishment of the greater Israel, which the author calls the Ruling State. The transfer of power from the US, in author’s view, has already begun with the September 11 incident and US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.



Furthermore, “Muslims have precise information of the moment in time when Jesus (‘alaihi al-Salâm), the Messiah, will return” and when “the Zionist-Jews will finally reach the supreme moment in their over-all strategy to get the Arabs to submit to Jewish rule in the Holy Land.” “It will be when the water in the Sea in Galilee has almost dried up, or has dried up…That submission would imply their worship of the False Messiah rather than the worship of Allah Most High. They would be required to submit to Israel in order to get water from the desalinization plants that Israel would build. The Arabs would be too poor to be able to afford to buy water.”


The book gives substantial references from the Qur’an and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad to prove this point along with the scientific reports which show that water in the Sea in Galilee is really drying up faster than expected. Furthermore, the author has made a commendable effort to present in the simple possible language the link between Anti-Christ and Riba, and between Gog and Magog in the light of Prophet Muhammad’s (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) sayings.



It makes the book a great effort in the sense that it gathered scattered and often disregarded information for focusing on a specific subject with full force. It is highly unlikely that anyone who reads this book would have any doubt about the author’s clarification of some very complex issues such as that of the Anti-Christ and what is in store for the world.



Zionist’s reality

There is much talk about the hidden power of the Zionists but no one has so far explained the historical and religious aspect of their actions and respective implication as Imran N. Hosein has done through an impartial analysis of all relevant religious and historical sources.



Even most of the Muslims have started making concessions to the Israeli claim that it has Biblical claims to the Holy Land. The author argues that the so-called defenders of Israel are the Zionists who “have essentially abandoned the ethical heart of the religion of Abraham (alaihi al-Salâm).” The author effectively proves that the Zionists amended Torah and declared many ‘permissibles’ as ‘prohibited’ and vice versa. And finally they have imposed an “impostor Israel” instead of “real Israel”



The author asks whether the Zionists right to inherit the Holy Land is unconditional? Would it still be valid if they establish a secular state and “their progeny were to abandon the religion of Abraham and the laws of Allah? “”We should note that the God of Abraham (alaihi al-Salâm) prohibited the borrowing and lending of money on interest (Ribâ). The Jews changed the Torah to legalize the lending of money on interest to those who were not Jews. Not only is Ribâ legal in the Holy Land today, but so are also many other things that were prohibited by Allah, Most High.”



Before and after the formation of the State of Israel, Zionists have been engaged in injustice, oppression, tyranny and repression, while Abraham was clearly told that Allah’s covenant of promise will not reach those of Abraham’s offspring who commit acts of Dhulum (i.e., injustice, oppression, tyranny, repression, suppression) — Al-Qur’an, 2:124.



This is exactly how the Zionist-secular state of Israel is established and it continues to display the same behaviour. And according to the Qur’an: “And We declared in the Zabur (i.e., the Psalms) which followed (Our declaration in) the Zikr (i.e., the Torah) that it is (only) those servants of Mine who are righteous in their conduct who would inherit the (Holy) Land.” (Al-Qur’ân, 21:105). The author thus proves that the Qur’ân not only reaffirmed ‘righteousness’ as the condition for such inheritance (Sűrah al-Anbiyâh, 21:105), but went on to direct attention to the historical evidence that violation of that condition always resulted in Divine expulsion from the (Holy) Land.


The book gives numerous examples from the Israeli press to show that it is a godless and oppressive system which has nothing to do with the re-establishment of ancient Israel and the law of Abraham. One of the examples from the horse’s mouth is an editorial in the Jerusalem Post which has this to say: For too many Israelis, Jewishness has become an archaic, primitive, and irrelevant system that competes for power and funding, and even a source of embarrassment for an intellectually-oriented modern society (Jerusalem Post, September 12, 2000).





Zionist Strategy

The author distinguishes between the key roles of the Israelite or Sephardic Jews (descendents of Prophet Isaac), and the Jews of European origin. It is the Zionists from Europe who distorted scriptures from the Torah and Bible to justify their crimes and to motivate the Jews to establish a State of Israel that extends from the Nile to the Euphrates with Jerusalem as its capital.



According to the author the Zionists exploited “every single lie that was put into the Bible by embellishing those lies with a mountain of more lies.” They work with the corrupt ruling Arab elites to make their client states recognise Israel and then abandon them at an appropriate time. “This Jewish-Arab (elite) strategy has today reached an advanced stage of implementation. … Indeed the strategy of abandoning that Arab elite has already begun.”



Here the author also proves that according to the prayers of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) the strategy did not work out in Syria and Yemen.


The book is actually partly written in response to the Zionists lies promoted by spokespersons, such as Daniel Pipes, who in his July 21, 2000 article in LA Times attempted to dismiss any Islamic claim to Jerusalem by declaring of Jerusalem, among other things, that: “It is not once mentioned in the Qur’ân or in the liturgy”. The way Imran N. Hosein collected different pieces of history and linked them like beads through the message of the Qur’an with respect to Jerusalem is enough to leave Pipes speechless.



The reason Zionists ignore even those portions of the Qur’an which mention that Holy Land was given to Jews (“Again it amazes me that Jewish and Zionist scholarship should so studiously have avoided quoting these plain statements in which the Qur’ân declared that the Holy Land was given to the Jews (5:24-6; 17:103-104 and 7:137”) is because the Qur’an also “offers an explanation for that strange behavior. The explanation resides in their reluctance to reveal the corruption of the divine conditions in the Torah which Allah Most High had ordained for inheritance of the Holy Land. The fraud in the rewritten Torah is exposed in the Qur’ân.”



So the Zionist dream of liberating the Holy Land from Gentiles and restoring the State of Israel in that Holy Land is well on the way to realization. The author predicts that the Temple would be reconstructed for Jewish worship. Even as we are writing this review, the news arrived that a Zionist in the US has denoted $10 million and Israeli government is on the way to dig another tunnel under Masjid al-Aqsa — a step in the direction of fulfilling the long awaited dream to demolishing the Masjid and reconstructing the Temple (Masjid) of Solomon (alaihi al-Salâm).



Since the Zionists will achieve all these apparent successes in the most inhuman manner, the author digs out references from the Qur’an that after expelling the rebellious Jews out of the Holy Land for the second time, Allah declared His intention to keep on punishing them “if they kept on desecrating the Holy Land with violations of the condition of faith and righteous conduct. ‘….but if ye revert (to your violation of the condition imposed for inheritance of the Holy Land) We shall revert (to Our punishments. i.e., you will be expelled again and again)….’ (Qur’ân, Banű Israîl, 17:8 ).”


Keeping the apartheid and ethnic-cleansing based racist policies of the Israeli state in mind, the author concludes that the destiny of “Jerusalem is plainly written in the above warning and firm declaration in the Qur’ân. This remains so regardless of any…agreements negotiated in Camp David…resolution of the US Senate…[or] resolutions of the UN…”


Appearance vs reality

Another beauty of the book is the author’s skillful separation of ‘appearances’ from the ‘reality’ in the light of the Qur’an. It greatly assists readers in understanding the issues in which many Jews disagree. This work is a proof how the complex riddles of present day politics and international relation can never be understood without referring to the Qur’an which clearly states: “Verily the Qur’an explains to the Israelites most of the matters in which they disagree. And it certainly is a Guide and a Mercy to those who believe” (Al-Qur’an, 27:76-7). And Middle East is at the centre of a never-ending problem.



Apparently most Jews have embraced Israel as the fulfillment of their greatest dream of returning to the Holy Land. It will soon become a Ruling State as no one can challenge it in any way. In the author’s view, “The fact that they have been so utterly and completely deceived by the Impostor State of Israel is indicative of their continuing spiritual blindness.”



The ‘reality’ from the Islamic point of view is that the Antichrist “has deceived the Jews into believing that divine grace has brought them this close to the complete fulfillment of their greatest dream. The ‘reality’ is that their spiritual blindness has led them into a divine trap from which there is now no escape.” The much dreaded and oft-repeated ‘destruction of Israel’ is its destiny.


Confirmation of the reality

Another beauty of this book is the seeming repetition at some places. In fact, this represented the extreme inter-connectedness and inescapable reality of history, scriptures and current affairs. The author hammers the nails of his argument from different directions until he conclusively proves his point of view.



In support of the above mentioned reality, the author brings forward a verse from the Holy Qru’an: “Allah has promised to those among you who believe (in Islâm) and are righteous in conduct that He will surely cause them to inherit the land (i.e., the Holy Land), as He granted it to those before them (i.e., the Jews); that He will establish their religion (i.e., Islâm) in authority (in the Holy Land), the (religion) which He has chosen for them (see Qur’ân, al-Maidah, 5:3); and that He will change (their state) after the fear in which they (lived) to one of security and peace: ‘They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me.’ If any do reject faith after this they are rebellious and wicked.”(Qur’ân, al-Nűr, 24:55)


For explaining “the state of fear” in the above mentioned verse, the author refers to the “fear in which the believers live” and declares that “it must surely include the present awesome Israeli oppression in the Holy Land.”








Conclusion

In a world in which one cannot afford to call Israel a racist state, where one cannot survive without recognizing its “legitimacy”, where anyone calling for Israel’s destruction is branded as a terrorist who deserves to be thrown into the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, presenting an undeniable thesis of its destruction needs a lot of courage.

Wizdom
30-12-07, 22:58
To convincingly present his thesis, the author proves authenticity of quotes from religious scriptures with references to history and current affairs. At the same time, he effectively explains historical and current events in the light of religious scriptures. He also quotes many verses from the Holy Qur’an and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) which many of the co-opting Muslims try to avoid. Such shying away on the part of Muslims leaves many of the Westerners — particularly the Americans who love their country and don’t want to see it bleeding at the cost of propping Israel — ignorant of the Truth and unaware of the hard facts.



The reason Imran N. Hosein could say it all in his book Jerusalem in the Qur’an is simply that he is neither head of a client state nor a hand-picked sheikh of Al-Azhar. He is not afraid of losing any title of fake Islamic scholarship. This makes his in-depth research into the divine scriptures, history and current affairs a valuable lesson for every human being on the face of earth.

ronald
30-12-07, 23:58
Ik snap niet waarom het 27 jaar heeft geduurd om een eigen versie van "De protokollen van de Wijzen van Zion" te maken.

panoma79
31-12-07, 06:00
Allahuakbar. There is only one God and Muhammed (saw) is the final messenger of Allah.("Islam the truth")

Tomas
31-12-07, 08:38
OK, ik geef toe ik heb maar een klein stukje gelezen. Maar toch, het geeft volgens mij wel weer een geheel nieuwe betekenis aan de woorden filosoof en filosofie. Magoed, het woord Geleerde, Wetenschapper en Theorie b.v. hebben ook al niet meer de betekenis die ze vroegah hadden. Modernisering heet dat geloof ik.

Bofko
31-12-07, 08:48
Geplaatst door Tomas
OK, ik geef toe ik heb maar een klein stukje gelezen. Maar toch, het geeft volgens mij wel weer een geheel nieuwe betekenis aan de woorden filosoof en filosofie. Magoed, het woord Geleerde, Wetenschapper en Theorie b.v. hebben ook al niet meer de betekenis die ze vroegah hadden. Modernisering heet dat geloof ik.

Ik dacht nog even aan Waarzegger. Maar dat is het ook niet. Het is meer een checkup van het grote Projectplan. Alles lijkt op schema te liggen....
Maar ook ik heb niet alles gelezen :nerveus:

mark61
31-12-07, 09:55
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Exactly as our Prophet told us, we have seen the barefooted-poor shepherds of sheep and goats in the Arab Peninsula

Is dat nou wat je een laag zelfbeeld noemt? :o


competing with each other in building higher and higher skyscrapers.

Hij vindt Doebai ook maar niks?


Just as we have seen these incidents as though we were watching a horror movie,

Heel eigentijds. Tis vast haram om naar zulke films te kijken :jammer:


will be raised to the ground.

Interessant concept, iets verheffen tot de grond.


But many would be surprised to know that it is matter of a few more years before Israel overtakes the US as a Ruling State,

Indeed.

super ick
31-12-07, 13:27
Jodenhaat is alom vertegenwoordigt in Arabische landen.
Alleen de Arabs mogen de Palestijnen laten lijden.

Wizdom
31-12-07, 16:22
Geplaatst door super ick
Jodenhaat is alom vertegenwoordigt in Arabische landen.
Alleen de Arabs mogen de Palestijnen laten lijden.

Niet Jodenhaat maar Palestijnen/Moslim haat is alom vertegenwoordigt... Zie Palestina, Irak, Afghanistan, Tjestenie, Algerije, Libanon, Sudan, Somalie, Nigeria, Nederland, Belgie, Denemarken, Thailand, Filippijnen en natuurlijk niet te vergeten de VS....

Niet zo zielig doen... ZIONISTEN zijn in dit tijdperk de daders niet de slachtoffers...

panoma79
31-12-07, 18:21
Geplaatst door super ick
Jodenhaat is alom vertegenwoordigt in Arabische landen.
Alleen de Arabs mogen de Palestijnen laten lijden.

Ben je blind ouwe, het is precies andersom.

ronald
31-12-07, 18:25
Geplaatst door panoma79
Ben je blind ouwe, het is precies andersom.


Joden zijn geliefd in Jordanie, Libanon, Irak, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Maleisië, Egypte, Saudi Arabie, Koeweit, Jemen, Samalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko....ja echt.....

Wizdom
31-12-07, 20:11
Geplaatst door ronald
Joden zijn geliefd in Jordanie, Libanon, Irak, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Maleisië, Egypte, Saudi Arabie, Koeweit, Jemen, Samalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko....ja echt.....

Ze worden in ieder geval in hun waarde gelaten...

ronald
31-12-07, 20:27
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Ze worden in ieder geval in hun waarde gelaten...

:giechel: Ze?? Man, "Ze" zijn allang eruit gewerkt en komen er ook niet meer in. Dat hele achterlijke verhaal hierboven is gebaseerd op leugens, verzinsels en uitwerkingen van de Protokollen van de wijzen van Zion waarmee lekker "het joodje" wordt neergezet en dat is de standaardkijk van die volkeren op Joden. Hoepel op.

rami_elharrak
31-12-07, 20:43
Geplaatst door ronald
Joden zijn geliefd in Jordanie, Libanon, Irak, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Maleisië, Egypte, Saudi Arabie, Koeweit, Jemen, Samalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko....ja echt.....

Hoe veel joden worden gekilled per dag in : Jordanie, Libanon, Egypte, Irak; Iran; Aghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Malesie, Saudi Arabie, Koweit, Jemen, Somalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko......
on the other side how many Moslims ( Palestijnen dan) orden gekilled in Israel?
In sommige landen (van de boven benoemde) krijg je 3 maanden cell als t woord( jood) tegen iemand zegt!!!
Zielig zijn die jooodjes, echt!!!

ronald
31-12-07, 21:26
Geplaatst door rami_elharrak
Hoe veel joden worden gekilled per dag in : Jordanie, Libanon, Egypte, Irak; Iran; Aghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Malesie, Saudi Arabie, Koweit, Jemen, Somalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko......
on the other side how many Moslims ( Palestijnen dan) orden gekilled in Israel?
In sommige landen (van de boven benoemde) krijg je 3 maanden cell als t woord( jood) tegen iemand zegt!!!
Zielig zijn die jooodjes, echt!!!

Hoeveel Moslims worden per dag door Moslims gedood? Ga jij dat maar eens na en vergelijk dat met de Moslims die door Israel zijn gedood, minus de terroristen. Vraag je dat maar eens eerst af. Wat een grote onzin kraam je uit. De Joden zijn allang uit hun landen verdreven ten eerste en ten tweede was het onderwerp JODENHAAT. Ze hebben nooit een Jood gezien maar de jhaat zit ze in hun tenen. Je zult waarschijnlijk 3 maanden cel kunnen krijgen als je tegen een Moslim Jood zegt ja. Beledigender zou je namelijk niet kunnen zijn volgens hun begripsvermogen.

Wizdom
31-12-07, 23:46
Geplaatst door ronald
:giechel: Ze?? Man, "Ze" zijn allang eruit gewerkt en komen er ook niet meer in. Dat hele achterlijke verhaal hierboven is gebaseerd op leugens, verzinsels en uitwerkingen van de Protokollen van de wijzen van Zion waarmee lekker "het joodje" wordt neergezet en dat is de standaardkijk van die volkeren op Joden. Hoepel op.

Da's een leugen... Dat weet je heel goed... Ze zijn er niet uitgewerkt... Ze zijn gelokt door Israel en ze hebben nu spijt... Ik heb zelf nog met een Marokkaanse Jodin gesproken uit Meknes... Ze baalt als een stekker... Ze vindt die Israeli maar een stel RACISTEN... Ze wil of terug of naar de VS vertrekken... Maar Marokko is een WALHALLA voor Joden... Alle Islamitische landen... En dat is niet voor niets...

Waar zijn de Joden uit Spanje naartoe gevlucht toen de inquisitie de ronde deed? Juist ja... Naar Islamitische landen... En dat was niet voor niets.... Ik wil geen bedankje... Het is een plicht van een Moslim om een mens in NOOD te HELPEN... Daar kunnen die MONSTERLIJKE ZIONISTEN nog wat van leveren... Maar ik vrees dat een MONSTER niets gemeen heeft met MENSEN...

ronald
01-01-08, 00:41
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Da's een leugen... Dat weet je heel goed... Ze zijn er niet uitgewerkt... Ze zijn gelokt door Israel en ze hebben nu spijt... Ik heb zelf nog met een Marokkaanse Jodin gesproken uit Meknes... Ze baalt als een stekker... Ze vindt die Israeli maar een stel RACISTEN... Ze wil of terug of naar de VS vertrekken... Maar Marokko is een WALHALLA voor Joden... Alle Islamitische landen... En dat is niet voor niets...

Waar zijn de Joden uit Spanje naartoe gevlucht toen de inquisitie de ronde deed? Juist ja... Naar Islamitische landen... En dat was niet voor niets.... Ik wil geen bedankje... Het is een plicht van een Moslim om een mens in NOOD te HELPEN... Daar kunnen die MONSTERLIJKE ZIONISTEN nog wat van leveren... Maar ik vrees dat een MONSTER niets gemeen heeft met MENSEN...


Rot op met je propagandistische praatjes. Ze zijn gelokt en hebben gewoon alles achter gelaten?

The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century expulsion or mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and in peaks following other wars. Estimates place at 856,000 the number of Jewish residents who have fled their homes in Arab lands since 1948, leaving behind property valued today at more than $300 billion.
While violence and discrimination against Jews in Arab countries started to increase before 1948, these escalated significantly since 1948 despite the fact that Jews were indigenous and for the most part held Arab citizenship. Sometimes the process was state sanctioned; at other times it was the consequence of anti-Jewish resentment by non-Jews. Harassment, persecution and the confiscation of property followed. Secondly and in response to mistreatment of Jews in these countries, a Zionist drive for Jewish immigration from Arab lands to Israel intensified. The great majority of Jews in Arab lands eventually emigrated to the modern State of Israel.

The process grew apace as Arab nations under French, British and Italian colonial rule or protection gained independence. Further, anti-Jewish sentiment within the Arab-majority states was exacerbated by the Arab-Israeli wars. Within a few years after the Six Day War (1967) there were only remnants of Jewish communities left in most Arab lands. Jews in Arab lands were reduced from more than 800,000 in 1948 to perhaps 16,000 in 1991.

Some claim that the Jewish exodus from Arab lands is a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, while others reject this comparison as simplistic.

After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the exodus of approximately 711,000 (UN estimate) Arab refugees (see the Palestinian Exodus), the creation of the state of Israel, and the independence of Arab countries from European control, conditions for Jews in the Arab world deteriorated. Over the next few decades, most would leave the Arab world. Their departure and its motivations are covered country by country below.

Soon after the declaration of the establishment of Israel in 1948, over 45,000 Jews had emigrated from Arab countries to mandatory Palestine. Although some of the Jews emigrated because of the influence of Zionism that proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to return to their homeland, most Jews came to Israel as a result of persecution by Arab countries. Gilbert (1999) maintains that Israeli officials were instrumental in facilitating population transfers from Muslim countries, known in Israel as the gathering of the exiles, because there was a shortage of manpower in Israel after 1948.

Je draait de hele geschiedenis om. De Palestijnen zijn door de "grote" arabische leiders uit Palestina gelokt om met de boel korte metten te maken opdat ze daarna zouden kunnen terugkeren. En praat niet zo patriotistisch over Marokko. Chauvinist. De situatie is allang veranderd en de Marokkanen hier voeren een anti-joods beleid IN Nederland. Zijn je ogen opeens gesloten? Kijk hoe je zelf hier reageer.
Hou ook op met je mooie toevluchtsoorden in de tijd van de inquisitie. Dat is ten eerste 500 jaar geleden, zo rooskleurig was het ook weer niet en we hadden het nu over het heden waar Jodenhaat heerst in vele Moslimlanden.

super ick
01-01-08, 10:17
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Niet Jodenhaat maar Palestijnen/Moslim haat is alom vertegenwoordigt... Zie Palestina, Irak, Afghanistan, Tjestenie, Algerije, Libanon, Sudan, Somalie, Nigeria, Nederland, Belgie, Denemarken, Thailand, Filippijnen en natuurlijk niet te vergeten de VS....

Niet zo zielig doen... ZIONISTEN zijn in dit tijdperk de daders niet de slachtoffers...

Nee jij moet niet zo zielig doen. Jij steekt je kop in het zand. Je durft niet rechtuit te zeggen wat je voelt/denkt. Je geeft er een vage draai aan door ineens met zionisten op de proppen te komen.
Face it moslim. Al in de Koran wordt er ongenadig uitgehaald naar Joden. Heb je mijn onderzoek niet gelezen over SA? 60% vd bevolking haat de Joden terwijl ze er nog nooit 1 hebben gezien. Rara.

super ick
01-01-08, 10:21
Geplaatst door panoma79
Ben je blind ouwe, het is precies andersom.

Nee respectlozen moslimsnotneus. Andersom vallen de klappen. Dat vertekend het beeld misschien. Maar Jodenhaat is alom aanwezig in het midden oosten/Arabische landen.
Al in jouw heilige boek worden ze diep beledigd.
Het wordt met de paplepel ingegeven.
Enkele weken terug ondervroegen ze voor de tv nog enkele mocrosnotneusjes van een jaar of 10. Natuurlijk hadden ze een hekel aan Joden. Waarom? Gewoon omdat ze slecht zijn.
NU ben je ouder en probeer je goed te praten wat je niet meer kunt laten omdat het bijna in je genen ingebakken zit.
Succes ermee, hatertje.

Wizdom
01-01-08, 13:29
Geplaatst door ronald
Rot op met je propagandistische praatjes. Ze zijn gelokt en hebben gewoon alles achter gelaten?

The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century expulsion or mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and in peaks following other wars. Estimates place at 856,000 the number of Jewish residents who have fled their homes in Arab lands since 1948, leaving behind property valued today at more than $300 billion.
While violence and discrimination against Jews in Arab countries started to increase before 1948, these escalated significantly since 1948 despite the fact that Jews were indigenous and for the most part held Arab citizenship. Sometimes the process was state sanctioned; at other times it was the consequence of anti-Jewish resentment by non-Jews. Harassment, persecution and the confiscation of property followed. Secondly and in response to mistreatment of Jews in these countries, a Zionist drive for Jewish immigration from Arab lands to Israel intensified. The great majority of Jews in Arab lands eventually emigrated to the modern State of Israel.

The process grew apace as Arab nations under French, British and Italian colonial rule or protection gained independence. Further, anti-Jewish sentiment within the Arab-majority states was exacerbated by the Arab-Israeli wars. Within a few years after the Six Day War (1967) there were only remnants of Jewish communities left in most Arab lands. Jews in Arab lands were reduced from more than 800,000 in 1948 to perhaps 16,000 in 1991.

Some claim that the Jewish exodus from Arab lands is a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, while others reject this comparison as simplistic.

After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the exodus of approximately 711,000 (UN estimate) Arab refugees (see the Palestinian Exodus), the creation of the state of Israel, and the independence of Arab countries from European control, conditions for Jews in the Arab world deteriorated. Over the next few decades, most would leave the Arab world. Their departure and its motivations are covered country by country below.

Soon after the declaration of the establishment of Israel in 1948, over 45,000 Jews had emigrated from Arab countries to mandatory Palestine. Although some of the Jews emigrated because of the influence of Zionism that proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to return to their homeland, most Jews came to Israel as a result of persecution by Arab countries. Gilbert (1999) maintains that Israeli officials were instrumental in facilitating population transfers from Muslim countries, known in Israel as the gathering of the exiles, because there was a shortage of manpower in Israel after 1948.

Je draait de hele geschiedenis om. De Palestijnen zijn door de "grote" arabische leiders uit Palestina gelokt om met de boel korte metten te maken opdat ze daarna zouden kunnen terugkeren. En praat niet zo patriotistisch over Marokko. Chauvinist. De situatie is allang veranderd en de Marokkanen hier voeren een anti-joods beleid IN Nederland. Zijn je ogen opeens gesloten? Kijk hoe je zelf hier reageer.
Hou ook op met je mooie toevluchtsoorden in de tijd van de inquisitie. Dat is ten eerste 500 jaar geleden, zo rooskleurig was het ook weer niet en we hadden het nu over het heden waar Jodenhaat heerst in vele Moslimlanden.

Er is weerzin tegen de ZIONISTISCHE praktijk... Maar dat is logisch... ZIONISTEN vermoorden alles wat lost en vast staat... Sabra en Jatilla, Jenin, De MUUR om GAZA en WESTBANK... De Uithongering... De moorden op kinderen en vrouwen... Ze hebben doodseskaders rondlopen op het land en in de lucht... Wou je zeggen dat dat positieve gevoelens moet oproepen...

Hoe het ook zei Israel lokt elke JOOD op aarde met mooie beloftes naar Israel en dat is geen propaganda.... Dat is een politiek en strategie....

Ze hebben niets achtergelaten... Ze hebben nog steeds hun wettige eigendommen op Islamitische grondgebieden... Als je grondgebied verlaat betekent het niet meteen dat het niet meer je eigendom is. Het zijn geen ZIONISTEN... Er is in de Islamitische landen nog zoiets als respekt voor eigendom.

Maar ja jij bent verblindt door het ZIONISME....

ronald
01-01-08, 16:15
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Er is weerzin tegen de ZIONISTISCHE praktijk... Maar dat is logisch... ZIONISTEN vermoorden alles wat lost en vast staat... Sabra en Jatilla, Jenin, De MUUR om GAZA en WESTBANK... De Uithongering... De moorden op kinderen en vrouwen... Ze hebben doodseskaders rondlopen op het land en in de lucht... Wou je zeggen dat dat positieve gevoelens moet oproepen...

Hoe het ook zei Israel lokt elke JOOD op aarde met mooie beloftes naar Israel en dat is geen propaganda.... Dat is een politiek en strategie....

Ze hebben niets achtergelaten... Ze hebben nog steeds hun wettige eigendommen op Islamitische grondgebieden... Als je grondgebied verlaat betekent het niet meteen dat het niet meer je eigendom is. Het zijn geen ZIONISTEN... Er is in de Islamitische landen nog zoiets als respekt voor eigendom.

Maar ja jij bent verblindt door het ZIONISME....


Driedubbel ONZIN.

Sabra en Shatilla en Jenin hebben ondanks alle rechtzettingen die er moesten worden gemaakt om de waarheid op tafel te krijgen een eigen leven gaan leiden in de Moslim wereld. Je kunt wel met weet ik veel voor bewijzen komen het baadt niet. De HAAT is gewoon de doorslaggevende factor en dat kun jij niet ontkennen. Waarheid is bijzaak.

Israel heeft een Ministerie van Aliya dat informatie geeft aan hen die naar Israel willen immigreren. Je laar je weet gek maken door allerlei complottheorieen. Weer eens buiten de werkelijkheid.

Hoe kom je daar nou bij dat ze nog wettelijke gronden hebben hun bezittingen terug te krijgen? Wekr jij voor de Arabische "Liro-archieven" soms? Geconfisceerd heet dat en maar door blijven gaan met je eenzijdige geschiedenis te blaten. Je bent inmiddels ook verblind door diezelfde haat.

Wizdom
01-01-08, 16:25
Geplaatst door ronald
Driedubbel ONZIN.

Sabra en Shatilla en Jenin hebben ondanks alle rechtzettingen die er moesten worden gemaakt om de waarheid op tafel te krijgen een eigen leven gaan leiden in de Moslim wereld. Je kunt wel met weet ik veel voor bewijzen komen het baadt niet. De HAAT is gewoon de doorslaggevende factor en dat kun jij niet ontkennen. Waarheid is bijzaak.

Israel heeft een Ministerie van Aliya dat informatie geeft aan hen die naar Israel willen immigreren. Je laar je weet gek maken door allerlei complottheorieen. Weer eens buiten de werkelijkheid.

Hoe kom je daar nou bij dat ze nog wettelijke gronden hebben hun bezittingen terug te krijgen? Wekr jij voor de Arabische "Liro-archieven" soms? Geconfisceerd heet dat en maar door blijven gaan met je eenzijdige geschiedenis te blaten. Je bent inmiddels ook verblind door diezelfde haat.

Israeli war tactics criticised
By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth

Report says some Israeli positions were placed in and around Arab towns(GALLO/GETTY)

The Arab Association for Human Rights (HRA) has accused the Israeli military of committing a war crime by placing military hardware, including artillery positions, inside Arab towns and villages during the war with Lebanon in July 2006.

The Nazareth-based association last week published a report claiming Arab communities were used as "human shields" by the Israeli military.

The association argues that the danger this posed to the Arab population was far from "theoretical": Arab communities hit by Hezbollah’s retaliatory rockets were overwhelmingly those in which the Israeli army maintained a presence.

A total of 21 Arab Israeli citizens were killed in these strikes.

The report said: "The study found that the Arab towns and villages that suffered the most intensive attacks during the war were ones that were surrounded by military installations, either on a permanent basis or temporarily during the course of the war."

The findings seem to support widespread complaints earlier voiced by Israel’s Arab legislators that their communities were used to deter the Lebanese Shia militia, Hezbollah, from targeting Israeli military positions.

At the time the claims were dismissed by Israeli officials.

'Civilians in danger'

Hostilities between Israel and Lebanon erupted on July 12, 2006 when Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border post, killing three soldiers and capturing two. In response Israel launched a wave of air strikes and a more limited ground invasion.

In addition to 119 Israeli soldiers who died in these operations, the barrage of rockets fired by Hezbollah into northern Israel killed 44 civilians and injured hundreds more. The Shia militia was widely condemned for these attacks.

Hezbollah fired some 660 rockets at 20 Arab communities during the war, confounding expectations from Israeli officials and many observers that the militia would target only Jewish areas.

The main explanation until now has been that Hezbollah fired its rockets randomly into Israel, killing Jews and Arabs indiscriminately.

However, the HRA report, "Civilians in Danger", says that Hezbollah may have targeted the permanent Israeli military bases, including army camps, airfields and weapons factories, located in or near Arab towns.

It also charged that the Israeli government failed to evacuate civilians from the area of fighting, leaving Arab citizens particularly in danger.

Almost no protective measures, such as building public shelters or installing air raid sirens, had been taken in Arab communities, whereas they had been in Jewish communities.

'Solely operational'

But an Israeli military spokesperson told Al Jazeera the report's claims were unfounded and were designed to create a false representation of events which occurred during the fighting.

He said: "The consideration applied in selecting the location of the [army’s] installations was solely operational and did not reflect any other consideration."

Tarek Ibrahim, a lawyer and the author of the HRA's report, insists that Hezbollah's rockets mostly targeted Arab communities where military installations had been located and in the main avoided those where no such military positions existed.

"Hezbollah claimed on several occasions that its rockets were aimed primarily at military targets in Israel. Our research cannot prove that to be the case but it does give a strong indication that Hezbollah’s claims may be true."

Hezbollah’s Katyusha rockets were not precision-guided but, according to the report, the short distances between Arab communities and Israeli military bases "are within the margin of error of the rockets fired by Hezbollah".

In its recommendations, the Human Rights Association called for the removal of all Israeli military bases from civilian communities.

Human shields?

The report's findings do not come entirely as a surprise. Several Arab politicians warned during the war that the 600,000 Arabs of the Galilee region were being used effectively as "human shields".

In early August 2006, near the end of the war, the most prominent Arab figure, Azmi Bishara, told the Maariv newspaper: "What ordinary citizens are afraid to say, the Arab Knesset members are declaring loudly. Israel turned the Galilee and the Arab villages in particular into human shields by surrounding them with artillery positions and missile batteries."

On a few occasions the Israeli media have also indirectly revealed the fact that military bases are located in Arab communities. A recent article in the daily Haaretz newspaper, for example, reported a fire in an armaments factory in Nazareth, the largest Arab community in Israel.

Ramez Jeraisi, the mayor of Nazareth, where two children were killed by Hezbollah rockets during the war, told Al Jazeera: "Nothing in this report is news to me. We all know there is a military base inside Nazareth … although it is in our city it is not under our jurisdiction so there is nothing we can do to get it moved."

"If we turned to the courts, they would not help either. No one, especially not Arabs, is allowed to question Israel's security needs."

Near kibbutzes

The HRA report avoided dealing with the wider issue of whether the Israeli army used Jewish communities in a similar manner during the war.

Ibrahim said: "In part the reason was that we are an Arab organisation and that directs the focus of our work. But there is also the difficulty that Israeli Jews are unlikely to cooperate with our research."

Nonetheless, the report notes, there is evidence the army based itself in some Jewish communities too. One Hezbollah rocket strike close to the northern border hit Kfar Giladi, a rural cooperative community known as a kibbutz, killing 12 soldiers.

A member of the kibbutz, Uri Eshkoli, recently told the Israeli media: "We deserve a medal of honor for our assistance during the war. We opened our hotel to soldiers and asked for no compensation. Moreover, soldiers stayed in the kibbutz throughout the entire war."

Amatzia Baram, a professor at Haifa University and regular media commentator during the war as the city came under Hezbollah rocket attack, told Al Jazeera: "Given the high concentration of army positions in the north, it would not surprise me to learn that the army used Arab villages for its bases."

"If it did so, then of course that was a bad mistake. Next time there is a war, the army should be mindful of keeping its distance from civilian areas. However, in practice I am sure its locations made zero difference to where Hezbollah fired its rockets."

The report faced several hurdles before publication. A stringent gagging order imposed by the government since the war and a requirement to submit security-related material to the military censor mean significant sections of the report had to be cut.

The report has received minimal coverage in the Hebrew media. Ibrahim said: "Few people inside Israel want to hear that their army and government broke international law in such a flagrant manner."

ronald
01-01-08, 16:32
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Israeli war tactics criticised
By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth



Wat wil je met dit niet zoveel zeggend bericht binnen dit topic mededelen?

Wizdom
01-01-08, 18:22
Geplaatst door ronald
Wat wil je met dit niet zoveel zeggend bericht binnen dit topic mededelen?

Dat ZIONISTEN mensenrechten schenders zijn... Van het ergste soort....

AI: Israel committed war crimes



Amnesty International has said that there is evidence that Israel's attacks on civilian infrastructure during the recent war in Lebanon constitute war crimes.

Israel says it did not deliberately target Lebanese civilians



The London-based organisation said that the unlawful destruction of homes, bridges and roads as well as water and fuel storage plants, was a key part of Israel's strategy in Lebanon, in a report issued on Wednesday morning.



"Israel's assertion that the attacks on the infrastructure were lawful is manifestly wrong. Many of the violations identified in our report are war crimes, including indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks," Kate Gilmore, executive deputy secretary-general of Amnesty International (AI), said.



"The evidence strongly suggests that the extensive destruction of power and water plants, as well as the transport infrastructure vital for food and other humanitarian relief, was deliberate and an integral part of a military strategy," Gilmore said in a press release.



Around 1,200 Lebanese are believed to have died in the war.



The Israeli government argues that they were targeting Hezbollah positions, individuals and support facilities and that other damage done to civilian infrastructure was a result of Hezbollah using the civilian population as a "human shield".

Israeli response

"Israel's actions in Lebanon were in accordance with recognised norms of behaviour during conflicts and with relevant international law," said Mark Regev, a spokesman at Israel's foreign ministry.

"Unlike Hezbollah, we did not deliberately target the Lebanese civilian population. On the contrary, under very difficult circumstances, we tried to be as surgical as is humanly possible in targeting the Hezbollah terrorist organisation."

Regev said that Lebanese infrastructure was "targeted only when that infrastructure was being exploited by the Hezbollah machine, and this is in accordance with the rules of war".


An Israeli girl after being injured in a Hezbollah rocket attack


On its website the Israeli military provides video and photographs showing Hezbollah firing rockets from civilian areas.

Foreign journalists based in Lebanon also reported that the Shia militia chose to fight from civilian areas and had on occasion prevented Lebanese civilians from fleeing conflict-hit areas of south Lebanon.



Al-Manar, Hezbollah's satellite channel, also showed footage of Hezbollah firing rockets from civilian areas and produced animated graphics showing how Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli cities from inside villages in southern Lebanon.



However, AI argues that the volume of damage to Lebanese civil buildings suggests that Israel was not just trying to target Hezbollah fighters.


"The pattern, scope and scale of the attacks makes Israel's claim that this was 'collateral damage', simply not credible," said Gilmore.



War crimes



AI has called on the UN to hold a "comprehensive, independent and impartial inquiry" into violations of international humanitarian law during the conflict.



AI also said that the UN should hold individuals responsible for crimes committed during the war and ensure that "full reparation" is provided to the victims.



The Israeli government has said that it will itself hold Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah, responsible for the war and that it will kill him if it can.



During the four week war Hezbollah fired 3,900 rockets at Israeli towns and cities with the aim of inflicting maximum civilian casualties.



The Israeli government says that 44 Israeli civilians were killed in the bombardments and 1,400 wounded.



AI has not issued a report accusing Hezbollah of war crimes.

Wizdom
01-01-08, 18:45
De ZIONISTEN zijn mensenrechten schenders van het ergste soort...

Israel Kills Gazan Woman, Hurts 4 En Route from Hajj
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31/12/2007 At least one Palestinian was killed and four others were wounded by gunfire while crossing from the occupied territories into the Gaza Strip on Sunday after completing the annual hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, Palestinian medics said.

The medical workers said the pilgrims had been hit by Israeli occupation forces gunfire at the Erez crossing on the northern Gaza border. Witnesses said soldiers first fired into the air and then at the crowd of pilgrims. An Israeli occupation army spokeswoman claimed that the army was not aware of any shooting in the area.

Palestinian officials said about 700 pilgrims had crossed back into Gaza on Sunday, having returned from Saudi Arabia via Jordan. Earlier this month, Israel agreed to let about 900 Gaza pilgrims travel through Israeli-occupied territory en route to Mecca.

A separate group of more than 1,000 Palestinian pilgrims protested Sunday, refusing Egyptian attempts to move them into camps in Sinai until a dispute over how they will return to the Gaza Strip is resolved. Unlike the group that traveled to Mecca through the occupied territories, those pilgrims traveled to Mecca through the Rafah crossing on the Egypt border after Cairo agreed to let them pass through.

The standoff is the latest outbreak of tensions over efforts by Egypt, Israel and the Palestinian Authority to isolate the Gaza Strip since Hamas took over the tiny coastal strip in June. Egypt has kept its Rafah border crossing with Gaza closed, a move seen as supporting Hamas' rival, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But Egypt is also sensitive over criticism that it is helping worsen the humanitarian situation in impoverished Gaza.

At the same time, Egypt has come under increasing criticism from Israel, which accuses it of not doing enough to stop smuggling of weapons and money through Sinai tunnels into Gaza. Egypt has angrily denied the accusations, insisting it is doing all it can. The standoff over the pilgrims began Saturday, when some 3,060 Palestinians returning from the hajj in Saudi Arabia arrived by ferry at the Egyptian Red Sea port of Nuweiba in southern Sinai, heading back to Gaza.

The pilgrims, along with Hamas, have rejected Egyptian attempts to have them return through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom crossing in the occupied territories, fearing that the Israeli army will arrest members among them. Egypt on Sunday decided to move the pilgrims to 11 temporary camps set up outside the Mediterranean coastal city of el-Arish, where they would stay until the dispute is resolved, a security official said.

Hamas condemned the decision to move the pilgrims into the tents. "This is additional suffering for the pilgrims," the group said in a statement released in Gaza, saying the tents will lead to a humanitarian and health crisis.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said Sunday that his country was doing everything it could to resolve the crisis and said inflammatory rhetoric only makes the job more difficult. "We face a very critical situation because it is being said that they (the pilgrims) could carry prohibited things (into Gaza)," Mubarak told reporters in Cairo

ronald
01-01-08, 18:57
Joden zijn geliefd in Jordanie, Libanon, Irak, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, Indonesie, Maleisië, Egypte, Saudi Arabie, Koeweit, Jemen, Samalie, Libie, Tunesie, Algerije, Marokko....ja echt.....

Ze?? Man, "Ze" zijn allang eruit gewerkt en komen er ook niet meer in. Dat hele achterlijke verhaal hierboven is gebaseerd op leugens, verzinsels en uitwerkingen van de Protokollen van de wijzen van Zion waarmee lekker "het joodje" wordt neergezet en dat is de standaardkijk van die volkeren op Joden. Hoepel op.

Hoeveel Moslims worden per dag door Moslims gedood? Ga jij dat maar eens na en vergelijk dat met de Moslims die door Israel zijn gedood, minus de terroristen. Vraag je dat maar eens eerst af. Wat een grote onzin kraam je uit. De Joden zijn allang uit hun landen verdreven ten eerste en ten tweede was het onderwerp JODENHAAT. Ze hebben nooit een Jood gezien maar de jhaat zit ze in hun tenen. Je zult waarschijnlijk 3 maanden cel kunnen krijgen als je tegen een Moslim Jood zegt ja. Beledigender zou je namelijk niet kunnen zijn volgens hun begripsvermogen.

Je draait de hele geschiedenis om. De Palestijnen zijn door de "grote" arabische leiders uit Palestina gelokt om met de boel korte metten te maken opdat ze daarna zouden kunnen terugkeren. En praat niet zo patriotistisch over Marokko. Chauvinist. De situatie is allang veranderd en de Marokkanen hier voeren een anti-joods beleid IN Nederland. Zijn je ogen opeens gesloten? Kijk hoe je zelf hier reageer.
Hou ook op met je mooie toevluchtsoorden in de tijd van de inquisitie. Dat is ten eerste 500 jaar geleden, zo rooskleurig was het ook weer niet en we hadden het nu over het heden waar Jodenhaat heerst in vele Moslimlanden.

Driedubbel ONZIN.

Sabra en Shatilla en Jenin zijn ondanks alle rechtzettingen die er moesten worden gemaakt om de waarheid op tafel te krijgen, een eigen leven gaan leiden in de Moslim wereld. Je kunt wel met weet ik veel voor bewijzen komen het baadt niet. De HAAT is gewoon de doorslaggevende factor en dat kun jij niet ontkennen. Waarheid is bijzaak.

Israel heeft een Ministerie van Aliya dat informatie geeft aan hen die naar Israel willen immigreren. Je laar je weet gek maken door allerlei complottheorieen. Weer eens buiten de werkelijkheid.

Hoe kom je daar nou bij dat ze nog wettelijke gronden hebben hun bezittingen terug te krijgen? Werk jij voor de Arabische "Liro-archieven" soms? Geconfisceerd heet dat en maar door blijven gaan met je eenzijdige geschiedenis te blaten. Je bent inmiddels ook verblind door diezelfde haat.


Ik kan wel aan het herhalen blijven. Leuk dat je weer laat zien dat het hele probleem aan één incidenit hangt. Wil je zieltjes winnen of zo? Bovendien kennen we een heel aantal "getuigen" maar al te goed. Altijd hetzelfde omdraaiverhaal. Ik kan wel 10 andere artikelen hier tegenoverzetten dat aantoont hoe lief en gemoedelijk het er allemaal er aan toe gaat.

panoma79
02-01-08, 02:28
Allahuakbar. There is only one God and Muhammed (saw) is the final messenger of Allah ( "Islam the truth" ).

mark61
02-01-08, 08:26
Geplaatst door panoma79
Allahuakbar. There is only one God and Muhammed (saw) is the final messenger of Allah ( "Islam the truth" ).

Islamspam. Isplam. Geheel nieuw in dit theater.

panoma79
02-01-08, 08:58
Geplaatst door mark61
Islamspam. Isplam. Geheel nieuw in dit theater.

Meld het aan bij Ibn Rushd dan haalt ie het wel weg.

mark61
02-01-08, 09:07
Geplaatst door panoma79
Meld het aan bij Ibn Rushd dan haalt ie het wel weg.

Waarom?

ronald
02-01-08, 12:58
Geplaatst door mark61
Waarom?

Nou niet zo flauw doen... had ie zich net opgeworpen om een virtuele opblaaspop te worden en dan reageer je zo lullig...

super ick
02-01-08, 13:03
Geplaatst door ronald
Nou niet zo flauw doen... had ie zich net opgeworpen om een virtuele opblaaspop te worden en dan reageer je zo lullig...

Beetje standaardreactie voor een vlaggenverbrander.

ronald
02-01-08, 13:07
Geplaatst door super ick
Beetje standaardreactie voor een vlaggenverbrander.


Welke vlaggen?

super ick
02-01-08, 13:32
Geplaatst door ronald
Welke vlaggen?

Niet naar de bekende weg vragen Zoinist!

ronald
02-01-08, 13:48
Geplaatst door super ick
Niet naar de bekende weg vragen Zoinist!


Correctie: religieuze Zionist. Is iets heel anders. Maar toch blijf je vaag in je beweringen dus zo bekend is die weg niet. Wie A zegt...

super ick
02-01-08, 15:43
Geplaatst door ronald
Correctie: religieuze Zionist. Is iets heel anders. Maar toch blijf je vaag in je beweringen dus zo bekend is die weg niet. Wie A zegt...

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