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mark61
04-05-08, 13:23
By David Loyn
BBC News

In Afghanistan, the Taleban now claim to have influence across most of the country and have extended their area of control from their traditional heartland in the south.

They are able to operate freely even in Wardak Province, neighbouring the capital Kabul, as a BBC camera crew who filmed them recently found.

One of their commanders in Wardak, Mullah Hakmatullah, said they do not control the roads nor the towns, but they hold the countryside and have increasing support because of the corruption of the administration.

"The administration do not solve people's problems. People who go there with problems have to give a lot of money in bribes and then they get stuck there," Mullah Hakmatullah said.

'Much better now'

Support from villagers is essential to their ability to continue operations through the winter months.

Local people said that they were willing to help the Taleban because they supported their brand of justice.

In one of the villages under their control, people willing to come forward and talk to the BBC said that security was much better now that the Taleban were there.

One of them, Gul Wazir, said that the Taleban were prepared to try to resolve small problems.

"Even if it's a minor thing, the Taleban will sort it out. Before (when the government of President Karzai was in control) it was not like that. They did not pay attention to us and the poor people were ignored."

The Taleban group showed off weapons, including a heavy machine gun they said they had captured from government forces.

They test-fired them in broad daylight, apparently not fearing retaliation from government nor international forces.

They were armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

Nearby the burnt-out wreck of a government vehicle was left from a recent confrontation with Afghan national forces.

Orders from the south

The overall military commander of the Taleban in Wardak, Mullah Rashid Akhond, claimed to have 2,000 active fighters.

He said that he was operating an administrative system with orders coming from Kandahar in the south, just like during the days of the Taleban government that fell in 2001.

He said that the Taleban were running their own courts. "People are taking their cases away from the government courts and coming to us. Now there is no robbery in our area."

Many of the suicide bombers who go to Kabul come from this area, just an hour's drive away. Mullah Akhond justified them, saying that most of the attacks are now carried out by Afghans themselves, not foreign fighters.

Six years ago the Taleban found it hard to recruit. They put their increasing success now down to official corruption, the slow pace of reconstruction and the presence of foreign troops.

'Unstable environment'

Speaking in London, the former Afghan Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said that the rise of the Taleban was caused by weakness in the central government.

"I think it is a major threat. What moves people is not ideology, but an unstable environment among the existing networks of clans, tribes, aggrieved people, drug traffickers, opportunists, and unemployed youth.

"It is the kind of problem that can be solved only with the establishment of good governance."

Mr Jalali is a potential presidential candidate in next year's election, as President Karzai faces increasing international pressure to deliver swift results.

But if anything, the battle for Afghanistan is harder now than it was after the Taleban were first forced out of power in Kabul.

Gaat goed met onze jongens. Nog 2 jaar moorden en vermoord worden.

Hearts & minds, guys, go for it!

1973Tanger
04-05-08, 15:58
By David Loyn
BBC News

In Afghanistan, the Taleban now claim to have influence across most of the country and have extended their area of control from their traditional heartland in the south.

They are able to operate freely even in Wardak Province, neighbouring the capital Kabul, as a BBC camera crew who filmed them recently found.

One of their commanders in Wardak, Mullah Hakmatullah, said they do not control the roads nor the towns, but they hold the countryside and have increasing support because of the corruption of the administration.

"The administration do not solve people's problems. People who go there with problems have to give a lot of money in bribes and then they get stuck there," Mullah Hakmatullah said.

'Much better now'

Support from villagers is essential to their ability to continue operations through the winter months.

Local people said that they were willing to help the Taleban because they supported their brand of justice.

In one of the villages under their control, people willing to come forward and talk to the BBC said that security was much better now that the Taleban were there.

One of them, Gul Wazir, said that the Taleban were prepared to try to resolve small problems.

"Even if it's a minor thing, the Taleban will sort it out. Before (when the government of President Karzai was in control) it was not like that. They did not pay attention to us and the poor people were ignored."

The Taleban group showed off weapons, including a heavy machine gun they said they had captured from government forces.

They test-fired them in broad daylight, apparently not fearing retaliation from government nor international forces.

They were armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

Nearby the burnt-out wreck of a government vehicle was left from a recent confrontation with Afghan national forces.

Orders from the south

The overall military commander of the Taleban in Wardak, Mullah Rashid Akhond, claimed to have 2,000 active fighters.

He said that he was operating an administrative system with orders coming from Kandahar in the south, just like during the days of the Taleban government that fell in 2001.

He said that the Taleban were running their own courts. "People are taking their cases away from the government courts and coming to us. Now there is no robbery in our area."

Many of the suicide bombers who go to Kabul come from this area, just an hour's drive away. Mullah Akhond justified them, saying that most of the attacks are now carried out by Afghans themselves, not foreign fighters.

Six years ago the Taleban found it hard to recruit. They put their increasing success now down to official corruption, the slow pace of reconstruction and the presence of foreign troops.

'Unstable environment'

Speaking in London, the former Afghan Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said that the rise of the Taleban was caused by weakness in the central government.

"I think it is a major threat. What moves people is not ideology, but an unstable environment among the existing networks of clans, tribes, aggrieved people, drug traffickers, opportunists, and unemployed youth.

"It is the kind of problem that can be solved only with the establishment of good governance."

Mr Jalali is a potential presidential candidate in next year's election, as President Karzai faces increasing international pressure to deliver swift results.

But if anything, the battle for Afghanistan is harder now than it was after the Taleban were first forced out of power in Kabul.

Gaat goed met onze jongens. Nog 2 jaar moorden en vermoord worden.

Hearts & minds, guys, go for it!

Mede mogelijk gemaakt door USA c.s.

super ick
04-05-08, 16:14
Mede mogelijk gemaakt door USA c.s.

Wat een ontzettend kutstuk! De Taliban helpt de mensen!
Als ze er zelf beter van worden en de steun van de mensen hard nodig hebben uiteraard wel.
Als de mensen hen niet willen helpen of profiteren van opbouwwerk dan wordt de redeloze wreedheid van de Taliban pas zichtbaar. Dan blijken het ordinaire kindermoordenaars te zijn.

De bevolking aldaar is goed te begrijpen. Vandaag staan er Canadezen of Nederlanders in je dorp en bieden je hulp. Morgen komt de Taliban weer langs. Die hakken je kop eraf als je het waagt samen te werken of hulp te accepteren. Die mensen blijven daar en hebben hetzelfde meegemaakt met de Russen. Die waren overigens een tikje minder tactisch dan de NAVO-troepen. Ook de russen bleven niet, NAVO blijft ook niet eeuwig. Taliban wel. Eens vallen de mensen weer ten prooi aan de Taliban.

Afganistan is het 3 na armste land ter wereld. Nimmer zal zij in staat zijn een politie en militair apparaat op te tuigen en werkend te houden dat veiligeheid in het hele land kan garanderen. Hooguit een gedeelte.
Overal ter wereld waar een stammencultuur heerst is er oorlog of onderdrukking. Mohammed was de enige die het voor elkaar heeft gekregen om samenhang te creeren. Na hem niemand meer.

1973Tanger
04-05-08, 16:21
Wat een ontzettend kutstuk! De Taliban helpt de mensen!
Als ze er zelf beter van worden en de steun van de mensen hard nodig hebben uiteraard wel.
Als de mensen hen niet willen helpen of profiteren van opbouwwerk dan wordt de redeloze wreedheid van de Taliban pas zichtbaar. Dan blijken het ordinaire kindermoordenaars te zijn.

De bevolking aldaar is goed te begrijpen. Vandaag staan er Canadezen of Nederlanders in je dorp en bieden je hulp. Morgen komt de Taliban weer langs. Die hakken je kop eraf als je het waagt samen te werken of hulp te accepteren. Die mensen blijven daar en hebben hetzelfde meegemaakt met de Russen. Die waren overigens een tikje minder tactisch dan de NAVO-troepen. Ook de russen bleven niet, NAVO blijft ook niet eeuwig. Taliban wel. Eens vallen de mensen weer ten prooi aan de Taliban.

Afganistan is het 3 na armste land ter wereld. Nimmer zal zij in staat zijn een politie en militair apparaat op te tuigen en werkend te houden dat veiligeheid in het hele land kan garanderen. Hooguit een gedeelte.
Overal ter wereld waar een stammencultuur heerst is er oorlog of onderdrukking. Mohammed was de enige die het voor elkaar heeft gekregen om samenhang te creeren. Na hem niemand meer.


Van een gebied dat sinds haar ontstaan al in staat van oorlog verkeerd hoef je niet veel te verwachten. Toen was het de Sovjet Unie, nu ingeruild voor de VS en companen. De situatie van de Afghanen zal er op de een of andere manier er toch niet beter op worden. Let wel: noch Taliban noch VS verdienen mijn voorkeur.