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mulan
21-01-09, 10:39
Mark Steel: Now we've all seen through the Israeli government's excuses

If the Hamas rockets are so lethal, why doesn't Israel swap an F-16 for some?

Wednesday, 21 January 2009

The worrying part about whether the ceasefire in Gaza can hold together will be whether the international community can stop the flow of arms to the terrorists. Because Israel's getting their planes and tanks and missiles from somewhere and until this supply is cut off there's every chance it could start up again.

The disregard for life from these terrorists and their supporters is shocking. For example Thomas Friedman, the New York Times columnist, wrote that the purpose of the Israeli attack must be to "inflict a heavy death toll and heavy pain on the Gaza population".

Replace "Gaza" with "western", and that could have been written by al-Qa'ida.Maybe this is the problem: the Israelis are writing their policies by downloading statements from an Islamic Jihad website and just changing the place names. Also, if the Israelis think the Hamas rockets are as lethal as they say, why don't they swap their F-16 fighters and Apachehelicopters for a few of them?

These things are capable of terrorising a whole nation for years apparently, yet the Israelis have neglected to buy any, wasting their money on gunboats and stuff. Given that their annual arms budget is $7.2bn plus $2.2 bn in "aid", they'd save enough to buy a selection of banks in every country in the world.

The military advantages would be enormous because the Israelis' complaint about Hamas is the use of tunnels to smuggle arms. But if Israel gave Hamas a few planes and tanks and helicopters, they could probably be persuaded to shut down those tunnels that seem to be the cause of such bad feeling.

Whatever you say about Israel, at least it moves its weapons about legally – except for when it secretly built a nuclear arsenal against an array of international agreements. But they did it above ground and not in a tunnel and that's the main thing.

Watching the reports from Gaza, another reason why the ceasefire may break down becomes apparent. The Israelis might claim that their satellite pictures now show Palestinians in possession of huge mounds of rubble – lethal if thrown over the border. Luckily these weapons are easy to spot. Most of them are next to women howling, "Look what they've done to my house," but perhaps the airforce should bomb them again – just in case. The Israelis say they fear Hamas will once again break the ceasefire by sending over those rockets. But the whole point of the operation was to make that impossible. Because they must have asked themselves the question, "If we slaughter 1,300 people, including 300 children, is that likely to make people: A. less cross or B. more cross?" And presumably they concluded it will make them much less likely to grow up full of hatred and determination to retaliate. Perhaps they saw medical research that shows when someone is suffering from anxiety and bouts of irascible ill-tempered behaviour, the best treatment is to pen them in with no food or medicine and then kill some of them, and that calms them down a treat.

Another way to allay their worries about Hamas breaking the ceasefire is to read the report from their government's own Intelligence and Terrorism Information Centre. This states that during the ceasefire "Hamas did not take part in any rocket fire and sometimes prevented other organisations from attacking." Still, with all that's been going on I suppose they haven't had time for reading.

Despite all this there might be one cheery sign, which is that never before have so many people seen through the Israeli government's excuses for handing out mass destruction. The demonstrations in support of Palestinians have been bigger than ever before, and even the United Nations and the Wall Street Journal have suggestedIsrael has committed war crimes. One poll in America suggested that 60 per cent of people opposed the bombardment, and the change of opinion reached the point that an Israeli diplomat has admitted that "The harm to civilians in Gaza is causing us huge damage."

Maybe, best of all, was genetics expert Steven Rose who appeared on Radio 4's Today programme to talk about a new study that's located "morality spots", the part of the brain that deals with our morality. Asked how we could know whether this was true, he said in a marvellously posh academic Radio 4 voice "Well we could test the brains of the Israeli cabinet and see if they've got no morality spots whatsoever."

And the most immoral part of all is the perfectly cynical timing, as if three weeks ago Bush shouted: "Last orders please. Any last bombing, before time's up? Come along now, haven't you got homes to demolish?"

mulan
21-01-09, 11:13
Die raketten maakt Israel zich dan ook helemaal niet druk om. Het feit dat iedereen het daarover heeft is al belachelijk genoeg. Maar Verhagen en consorten weten dat ook. Je kunt de feiten niet ontwijken als je niet op de hoogte bent van diezelfde feiten. Dat maakt het des te frustrerender. Dat er willens en wetens mensen zijn die dit in stand houden. Gewetenloos.

mark61
21-01-09, 11:22
:hihi: Waar komt dit vandaan?

Even andere accenten leggen :lachu:

The worrying part about whether the ceasefire in Gaza can hold together will be whether the international community can stop the flow of arms to the terrorists. Because Israel's getting their planes and tanks and missiles from somewhere and until this supply is cut off there's every chance it could start up again.

Whatever you say about Israel, at least it moves its weapons about legally – except for when it secretly built a nuclear arsenal against an array of international agreements. But they did it above ground and not in a tunnel and that's the main thing.

The Israelis might claim that their satellite pictures now show Palestinians in possession of huge mounds of rubble – lethal if thrown over the border. Luckily these weapons are easy to spot. Most of them are next to women howling, "Look what they've done to my house," but perhaps the airforce should bomb them again – just in case. The Israelis say they fear Hamas will once again break the ceasefire by sending over those rockets. But the whole point of the operation was to make that impossible. Because they must have asked themselves the question, "If we slaughter 1,300 people, including 300 children, is that likely to make people: A. less cross or B. more cross?" And presumably they concluded it will make them much less likely to grow up full of hatred and determination to retaliate. Perhaps they saw medical research that shows when someone is suffering from anxiety and bouts of irascible ill-tempered behaviour, the best treatment is to pen them in with no food or medicine and then kill some of them, and that calms them down a treat.

Another way to allay their worries about Hamas breaking the ceasefire is to read the report from their government's own Intelligence and Terrorism Information Centre. This states that during the ceasefire "Hamas did not take part in any rocket fire and sometimes prevented other organisations from attacking." Still, with all that's been going on I suppose they haven't had time for reading.

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And the most immoral part of all is the perfectly cynical timing, as if three weeks ago Bush shouted: "Last orders please. Any last bombing, before time's up? Come along now, haven't you got homes to demolish?"

mulan
21-01-09, 11:53
:hihi: Waar komt dit vandaan?
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Opinie pagina van The Independent. Uit een andere column van hem :


The rockets may be unable to to kill on the scale of the Israeli Air Force, said one spokesman, but they are "intended to kill".

Maybe he went on: "And we have evidence that Hamas supporters have dreams, and that in these dreams bad things happen to Israeli citizens, they burst, or turn into cactus, or run through Woolworths naked, so it's not important whether it can happen, what matters is that they WANT it to happen, so we blew up their university."

:hihi:

mark61
21-01-09, 11:57
Maybe he went on: "And we have evidence that Hamas supporters have dreams, and that in these dreams bad things happen to Israeli citizens, they burst, or turn into cactus, or run through Woolworths naked, so it's not important whether it can happen, what matters is that they WANT it to happen, so we blew up their university."

:hihi:

:haha:

knuppeltje
21-01-09, 15:52
Opinie pagina van The Independent. Uit een andere column van hem :


The rockets may be unable to to kill on the scale of the Israeli Air Force, said one spokesman, but they are "intended to kill".

Maybe he went on: "And we have evidence that Hamas supporters have dreams, and that in these dreams bad things happen to Israeli citizens, they burst, or turn into cactus, or run through Woolworths naked, so it's not important whether it can happen, what matters is that they WANT it to happen, so we blew up their university."

:hihi:

Waarom zie ik hier nog niet iemand gillen dat daar wapens lagen, en dat er daarvandaan raketten zijn afgevuurd?
Zit gvd die Slinger en co weer te slapen zeker?
Altijd het zelfde met die gasten, als je ze nodig hebt - zijn ze weer nergens te bekennen, straks moeten wij het weer van een ander horen :fuckit2:

Slinger
21-01-09, 15:57
Waarom zie ik hier nog niet iemand gillen dat daar wapens lagen, en dat er daarvandaan raketten zijn afgevuurd?
Zit gvd die Slinger en co weer te slapen zeker?
Altijd het zelfde met die gasten, als je ze nodig hebt - zijn ze weer nergens te bekennen, straks moeten wij het weer van een ander horen :fuckit2:

Dat weet iedereen toch al lang?

knuppeltje
21-01-09, 15:58
Dat weet iedereen toch al lang?

Ga eens op dat artikel in.

Slinger
21-01-09, 16:01
Ga eens op dat artikel in.

Ik ga nooit in op geplakte Engelstalige artikelen, zonder dat de plakker laat zien dat hij het zelf begrepen heeft.

knuppeltje
21-01-09, 16:07
Ik ga nooit in op geplakte Engelstalige artikelen, zonder dat de plakker laat zien dat hij het zelf begrepen heeft.

Je meent het nog ook zeker.

Slinger
21-01-09, 16:13
Je meent het nog ook zeker.

Het moet je opgevallen zijn. Zelf plak ik vrijwel nooit Engelse stukken. Als ik het doe, leg ik heel goed uit wat er in staat en wat mijn opinie is.

knuppeltje
22-01-09, 10:52
Het moet je opgevallen zijn. Zelf plak ik vrijwel nooit Engelse stukken. Als ik het doe, leg ik heel goed uit wat er in staat en wat mijn opinie is.

Gebrek aan kennis van het Engels zeker?