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IbnRushd
24-06-09, 11:33
Robert Fisk’s World: In Tehran, fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows

It’s said that the cruel ‘Iranian’ cops aren’t Iranian at all. They’re Hizbollah militia

Saturday, 20 June 2009

At around 4.35 last Monday morning, my Beirut mobile phone rang in my Tehran hotel room. "Mr Fisk, I am a computer science student in Lebanon. I have just heard that students are being massacred in their dorms at Tehran University. Do you know about this?" The Fisk notebook is lifted wearily from the bedside table. "And can you tell me why," he continued, "the BBC and other media are not reporting that the Iranian authorities have closed down SMS calls and local mobile phones and have shut down the internet in Tehran? I am learning what is happening only from Twitters and Facebook."

When I arrived at the university, the students were shrieking abuse through the iron gates of the campus. "Massacre, massacre," they cried. Gunfire in the dorms. Correct. Blood on the floor. Correct. Seven dead? Ten dead, one student told me through the fence. We don't know. The cops arrived minutes later amid a shower of stones. Filtering truth out of Tehran these days is as frustrating as it is dangerous.

A day earlier, an Iranian woman muttered to me in an office lift that the first fatality of the street violence was a young student. Was she sure, I asked? "Yes," she said. "I have seen the photograph of his body. It is terrible." I never saw her again. Nor the photograph. Nor had anyone seen the body. It was a fantasy. Earnest reporters check this out – in fact, I have been spending at least a third of my working days in Tehran this past week not reporting what might prove to be true but disproving what is clearly untrue.

Take the call I had five hours before the early-hour phone call, from a radio station in California. Could I describe the street fighting I was witnessing at that moment? Now, it happened that I was standing on the roof of the al-Jazeera office in north Tehran, speaking in a late-night live interview with the Qatar television station. I could indeed describe the scene to California. What I could see were teenagers on motorcycles, whooping with delight as they set light to the contents of a litter bin on the corner of the highway.

Two policemen ran up to them with night-sticks and they raced away on their bikes with shouts of derision. Then the Tehran fire brigade turned up to put out – as one of the firemen later told me with infinite exhaustion – their 79th litter-bin fire of the night. I knew how he felt. A report that Basiji militia had taken over one of Mir-Hossein Mousavi's main election campaign office was a classic. Yes, there were uniformed men in the building – belonging to Mousavi's own hired security company.

Now for the very latest on the fantasy circuit. The cruel "Iranian" cops aren't Iranian at all. They are members of Lebanon's Hizbollah militia. I've had this one from two reporters, three phone callers (one from Lebanon) and a British politician. I've tried to talk to the cops. They cannot understand Arabic. They don't even look like Arabs, let alone Lebanese. The reality is that many of these street thugs have been brought in from Baluch areas and Zobal province, close to the Afghan border. Even more are Iranian Azeris. Their accents sound as strange to Tehranis as would a Belfast accent to a Cornishman hearing it for the first time.

Fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows, but once they are combined and spread with high-speed inaccuracy around the world, they are also lethal. Sham elections, the takeover of party offices, a massacre on a university campus, an imminent coup d'état, the possible overthrow of the whole 30-year old Islamic Republic, the isolation of an entire country as its communications are systematically shut down.

I am reminded of Eisenhower's comment to Foster Dulles when he sent him to London to close down Anthony Eden's crazed war in Suez. The secretary of state's job, Eisenhower instructed Dulles, was to say "Whoah, boy!" Good advice for those who believe in the Twitterers.

But the no-smoke-without-fire brigade has a point. Look at the extraordinary, million-strong march against the regime by Mousavi's supporters on Monday. Even the Iranian press was forced to report it, albeit on inside pages. Yes, the authorities have indeed closed down the local SMS service. Yes, they have slowed down – but not closed – the internet. My Beirut roaming phone now rarely reaches London, although incoming calls arrive – unfortunately for me – round the clock. The Iranian government is obviously trying to interfere with the communications of Mousavi supporters to prevent them from organising further marches. Outrageous in any normal country, perhaps. But this is not a normal country. It is a state as obsessed with the dangers of counter-revolution as the West is obsessed with Iran's nuclear ambitions. The Supreme Leader's speech yesterday was proof of that.

But then we had the famous instruction to journalists in Tehran from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance that they could no longer report opposition street demonstrations. I heard nothing of this. Indeed, the first clue came when I refused to be interviewed by CNN (because their coverage of the Middle East is so biased) and the woman calling me asked: "Why? Are you worried about your safety?" Fisk continued to spend 12 hours a day on the streets. I discovered there was a ban only when I read about it in The Independent. Maybe the Guidance lads and lassies couldn't get through on my mobile. But then, who had cut the phone lines?

We have, in fact, reported all the censorship – of local newspapers as well as communications. The footage of a brutal police force assaulting the political opposition on the streets of the capital has shocked the world. Rightly so, although no one has made comparison with police forces who batter demonstrators on the streets of Western Europe, who beat women with night-sticks, who have kicked over an innocent middle-aged man who immediately suffered a fatal heart attack, who have shot down an innocent passenger on the London Tube... There are special codes of morality to be applied to Middle East countries which definitely must not apply to us.

So let's take a look at those Iranian elections. A fraud, we believe. And I have the darkest doubts about those election figures which gave Mousavi a paltry 33.75 per cent of the vote. Indeed, I and a few Iranian friends calculated that if the government's polling-night statistics were correct, the Iranian election committee would have had to have counted five million votes in just two hours. But our coverage of this poll has been deeply flawed. Most visiting Western journalists stay in hotels in the wealthy, north Tehran suburbs, where tens of thousands of Mousavi supporters live, where it's easy to find educated translators who love Mousavi, where interviewees speak fluent English and readily denounce the spiritual and cultural and social stagnation of Iran's – let us speak frankly – semi-dictatorship.

But few news organisations have the facilities or the time or the money to travel around this 659,278 square-mile country – seven times the size of Britain – and interview even the tiniest fraction of its 71 million people. When I visited the slums of south Tehran on Friday, for example, I found that the number of Ahmadinejad supporters grew as Mousavi's support dribbled away. And I wondered whether, across the huge cities and vast deserts of Iran, a similar phenomenon might be discovered. A Channel 4 television crew, to its great credit, went down to Isfahan and the villages around that beautiful city and came back with a suspicion – unprovable, of course, anecdotal, but real – that Ahmadinejad just might have won the election.

This is also my suspicion: that Ahmadinejad might have scraped in, but not with the huge majority he was awarded. For with their usual, clumsy, autocratic behaviour, the clerics behind the Islamic Republic may have decreed that only a greater majority for the winner could decisively annihilate the reputation of its secular opponents. Perhaps Ahmadinejad got 51 per cent or 52 per cent and this was preposterously increased to 63 per cent. Perhaps Mousavi picked up 44 per cent or 45 per cent. I don't know. The Iranians will never know, even though the Supreme Leader told us yesterday that the incredible 63 per cent was credible. That is Iran's tragedy.

Yes, Ahmadinejad remains for me an outrageous president, one of those cracked political leaders – like Colonel Ghaddafi or Lebanon's General Michel Aoun – which this region sadly throws up, to the curses of its friends and to the delight of its enemies in the West. And the Islamic Republic itself – while it has understandable historical roots in the savagery of the Shah's regime which preceded it, not to mention the bravery of its people – is a dangerously contrived and inherently unfree state which was locked into immobility by an unworldly and now long-dead ayatollah.

And those nuclear arms? How many of us reported a blunt statement which the Supreme Leader and the man who ultimately controls all nuclear development in Iran made on 4 June, just eight days before the elections? "Nuclear weapons," he said in a speech in which he encouraged Iranians to vote, "are religiously forbidden (haram) in Islam and the Iranian people do not have such a weapon. But the Western countries and the US in particular, through false propaganda, claim that Iran seeks to build nuclear bombs – which is totally false..."

There are few provable assurances in the Middle East, often few facts and a lot of lies. Dangers are as thick as snakes in the desert. As I write, I have just received another call from Lebanon. "Mr Fisk, a girl has been shot in Iran. I have a video from the internet. You can see her body..." And you know what? I think he might be right.

independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fiskrsquos-world-in-tehran-fantasy-and-reality-make-uneasy-bedfellows-1710762.html)

Max Stirner
24-06-09, 17:08
Robert Fisk’s World: In Tehran, fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows
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The footage of a brutal police force assaulting the political opposition on the streets of the capital has shocked the world. Rightly so, although no one has made comparison with police forces who batter demonstrators on the streets of Western Europe, who beat women with night-sticks, who have kicked over an innocent middle-aged man who immediately suffered a fatal heart attack, who have shot down an innocent passenger on the London Tube... There are special codes of morality to be applied to Middle East countries which definitely must not apply to us.


independent.co.uk[/URL]




YouTube - iran; iranian snipers is taking out protesters june 24 2009

DNA
25-06-09, 18:34
well , pretty amazing & tragic-hilarious how the west tries to use that democracy Troy's horse to achieve its ideological & other goals against Iran :


democracy , human rights ...as a Troy's horse & cover for power & domination ...again :

, while this same west is still actively supporting many "muslim" & other dictatorships around the world from Pakistan, to Morocco , passing by Egypt :

Obama was lately in Egypt : how come he didn't open his bloody machiavellistic hypocrit mouth 'bout that dictatorship there ....????

fact is that there's a kindda cold war going on against The Iranian Islamic revolution from the very moment it took power in 1979:

the main purpose is regime change as had put it Bush :

the latter was at least honnest 'bout calling things by their own names, according to him at least :

this machiavellistic hypocrit Obama is more dangerous than that Bush barking dog :

Obama says something nice & the secret service , the US propaganda machine try to do their secret dirty & public work , mainly behind the scenes , trying to topple the Islamic revolution in Iran through every means possible :

via CIA conspiracies , training & sponsoring of Iranian terrorists such as Moujahidi Khalq , "Soldiers of God" ....

people suffer from a kindda amnesia : nobody wanna remember the fact that the CIA has toppled many anti_US governments 'fore , including some young democracies ....

via the Farsi satellite TV media from the US :

via "voice of America" that was so succesfully used against the Soviet _Union & against the former iron curtain East_European countries ....during the cold war.....


& when we do consider the bias bullying lying cheating character of all those western media, including CNN, BBC, Fox news & the rest ...

we see how the so_called western free media is not really that free :

just a shameless propaganda tool ....



Remember : the west is more interested in toppling the Iranian Islamlic system than in those alleged elections' frauds : that's the main goal & point :

If the west succeds in achieving just that , it w'd mean the defeat of any Islamic system in the near future at least :

poeple w'd be told : see ??? That Islamic system can easily turn into a failure & dictatorship, oppression , injustices, violations of human rights ...

so, let's separate between religion & politics ....

forgetting that almost all those equality , liberty, freedom , tolerance ...values, principles came from Islam in the first place to start with & that they were later on transformed & turned by the west into materialistic ideological values & principles which include even the gay marriage as a so -called ..."universal" human right ! :lol: :




while muslims' awakening is hardly needed to achieve just that , i mean the return of Islam as a religious democracy , also in other countries than Iran , to reconcile ourselves with our faith , heritage & identity to confront all that western ideological, moral, cultural, political, economic , military ...imperialism which tries to secularise_neutralise all so_called muslim countries in the long run for its strategic interests as was the case with that imposed secularism in Turkey :






secularism that w'd make any hope of muslims' unity or Ummah disappear like snow under the sun ...


Iran is the pride of the Ummah, together with Hamas, Hizbollah :

we should stand behind them & support them :

thanks to them & to other muslims , we can stand up against this imperialistic materialistic ideological west which wanna colonise us again ideologically, culturally, morally .....to achieve its total power over us : for further global western power & domination :

the worst kind of slavery : neo_imperialism = more dangerous & worse than the old just military imperialism :

let's support Iran as an Islamic democracy : giving power back to God & to the people where it belongs , our identity & belief alternative for that silly bankrupt hypocrit criminal imperialistic enslaving western secular liberal democracy:

western democracy as a secondary product of the market : :

that's the shorter way of defeating western secular liberal democracy & ideological materialistic make _believe ....

for the benefit of muslims & the rest of humanity :


or at least for achieving muslims' awakening , dignity & protecting muslims & other weaker nations' interests against the western global economic _financial , political, cultural, moral, ideological ...injustices & slavery ....

liberating humanity from the global injustices, slavery ; oppressions, imperialism ....of the west ....

is there a nobler or greater cause than that ??? : don't think so :

Islam is THE cause of all causes :

western imperialism, slavery, oppressions , make _beleieve ...are just one of the historic many faces of Jahilia = the 21st century Jahilia of the new Roman empire !

will be defeated also as was the case with many other Jahilias in the past : old Roman empire & the rest ....

fisherman1969
25-06-09, 22:20
well , pretty amazing & tragic-hilarious how the west tries to use that democracy Troy's horse to achieve its ideological & other goals against Iran :


democracy , human rights ...as a Troy's horse & cover for power & domination ...again :

, while this same west is still actively supporting many "muslim" & other dictatorships around the world from Pakistan, to Morocco , passing by Egypt :

Obama was lately in Egypt : how come he didn't open his bloody machiavellistic hypocrit mouth 'bout that dictatorship there ....????

fact is that there's a kindda cold war going on against The Iranian Islamic revolution from the very moment it took power in 1979:

the main purpose is regime change as had put it Bush :

the latter was at least honnest 'bout calling things by their own names, according to him at least :

this machiavellistic hypocrit Obama is more dangerous than that Bush barking dog :

Obama says something nice & the secret service , the US propaganda machine try to do their secret dirty & public work , mainly behind the scenes , trying to topple the Islamic revolution in Iran through every means possible :

via CIA conspiracies , training & sponsoring of Iranian terrorists such as Moujahidi Khalq , "Soldiers of God" ....

people suffer from a kindda amnesia : nobody wanna remember the fact that the CIA has toppled many anti_US governments 'fore , including some young democracies ....

via the Farsi satellite TV media from the US :

via "voice of America" that was so succesfully used against the Soviet _Union & against the former iron curtain East_European countries ....during the cold war.....


& when we do consider the bias bullying lying cheating character of all those western media, including CNN, BBC, Fox news & the rest ...

we see how the so_called western free media is not really that free :

just a shameless propaganda tool ....



Remember : the west is more interested in toppling the Iranian Islamlic system than in those alleged elections' frauds : that's the main goal & point :

If the west succeds in achieving just that , it w'd mean the defeat of any Islamic system in the near future at least :

poeple w'd be told : see ??? That Islamic system can easily turn into a failure & dictatorship, oppression , injustices, violations of human rights ...

so, let's separate between religion & politics ....

forgetting that almost all those equality , liberty, freedom , tolerance ...values, principles came from Islam in the first place to start with & that they were later on transformed & turned by the west into materialistic ideological values & principles which include even the gay marriage as a so -called ..."universal" human right ! :lol: :




while muslims' awakening is hardly needed to achieve just that , i mean the return of Islam as a religious democracy , also in other countries than Iran , to reconcile ourselves with our faith , heritage & identity to confront all that western ideological, moral, cultural, political, economic , military ...imperialism which tries to secularise_neutralise all so_called muslim countries in the long run for its strategic interests as was the case with that imposed secularism in Turkey :






secularism that w'd make any hope of muslims' unity or Ummah disappear like snow under the sun ...


Iran is the pride of the Ummah, together with Hamas, Hizbollah :

we should stand behind them & support them :

thanks to them & to other muslims , we can stand up against this imperialistic materialistic ideological west which wanna colonise us again ideologically, culturally, morally .....to achieve its total power over us : for further global western power & domination :

the worst kind of slavery : neo_imperialism = more dangerous & worse than the old just military imperialism :

let's support Iran as an Islamic democracy : giving power back to God & to the people where it belongs , our identity & belief alternative for that silly bankrupt hypocrit criminal imperialistic enslaving western secular liberal democracy:

western democracy as a secondary product of the market : :

that's the shorter way of defeating western secular liberal democracy & ideological materialistic make _believe ....

for the benefit of muslims & the rest of humanity :


or at least for achieving muslims' awakening , dignity & protecting muslims & other weaker nations' interests against the western global economic _financial , political, cultural, moral, ideological ...injustices & slavery ....

liberating humanity from the global injustices, slavery ; oppressions, imperialism ....of the west ....

is there a nobler or greater cause than that ??? : don't think so :

Islam is THE cause of all causes :

western imperialism, slavery, oppressions , make _beleieve ...are just one of the historic many faces of Jahilia = the 21st century Jahilia of the new Roman empire !

will be defeated also as was the case with many other Jahilias in the past : old Roman empire & the rest ....

tip!!! Verander eens van kleur groen b.v :D:D:D
Vind paars wel leuk hoor alleen beetje homo achtig :D
je smiley,s zijn meestal wel groen :wijs: hoor

H.P.Pas
26-06-09, 09:36
tip!!! Verander eens van kleur groen b.v :D:D:D
Vind paars wel leuk hoor alleen beetje homo achtig :D

:jammer: Groen is ook hachelijk:


Grün ist die Hoffnung und grün der Salat
und grün ist der Jüngling der kein Schnurbart hat.

Holadiee, holadio
Holadihupsasa holadidiee.

Wit op wit lijkt me in dit geval het beste voor iedereen.

mark61
26-06-09, 09:57
:jammer: Groen is ook hachelijk:

und grün der Salat

De salât is inderdaad het islamitische rituele gebed, en groen is de kleur van...

Nochtans of juist daarom aanbidden Yazidi's kropsla, alwaar de duivel zich zou verschuilen.

associaties associaties...


Wit op wit lijkt me in dit geval het beste voor iedereen.

Dat sowieso :hihi: We kunnen een verzoek indienen bij de kampleiding.

DNA
26-06-09, 12:43
:jammer: Groen is ook hachelijk:



Wit op wit lijkt me in dit geval het beste voor iedereen.

:fuckit:

DNA
26-06-09, 12:44
De salât is inderdaad het islamitische rituele gebed, en groen is de kleur van...

Nochtans of juist daarom aanbidden Yazidi's kropsla, alwaar de duivel zich zou verschuilen.

associaties associaties...



Dat sowieso :hihi: We kunnen een verzoek indienen bij de kampleiding.


:lol:


Look who's talking ???

no wonder ....


:lol: :lol: :lol:


:zwaai:

Sallahddin
26-06-09, 18:45
[QUOTE=mark61;4006855]

associaties associaties
QUOTE]




:lol:

when RU gonna stop imitating others , copycat monkey ???

just continue imitating , don't innovate : good enough for ur "brains" !


:zwaai:

Sallahddin
26-06-09, 18:51
tip!!! Verander eens van kleur groen b.v :D:D:D
Vind paars wel leuk hoor alleen beetje homo achtig :D
je smiley,s zijn meestal wel groen :wijs: hoor


well, make _up ur mind , darling :

if i do use the color red , i might be a thirsty vampire for blood ! :lol:

excluding all other millions of options .....


according to ur silly fantasies at least :

if i do use purple , i might be gay .... :lol:


what if i do use some ultra_violet light , X_rays or ......a scanner to scan ur brains or other ???? :lol:

Sallahddin
26-06-09, 18:52
tip!!! Verander eens van kleur groen b.v :D:D:D
Vind paars wel leuk hoor alleen beetje homo achtig :D
je smiley,s zijn meestal wel groen :wijs: hoor


well, make _up ur mind , darling :

if i do use the color red , i might be a thirsty vampire for blood ! :lol:

excluding all other millions of options .....


according to ur silly fantasies at least :

if i do use purple , i might be gay .... :lol:


what if i do use some ultra_violet light to make u see some other colors u can't see otherwise :lol: , some X_rays to see if u suffer from some ...fill in the blanks indeed ... or ......a scanner to scan ur brains or other ???? :lol:

Sallahddin
28-06-09, 20:56
yep!

Slinger
28-06-09, 21:01
:

if i do use purple , i might be gay .... :lol:




Nou, ik vermoed dat je wel homosexuele gevoelens hebt. Misschien praktiseer je zelfs wel.

fisherman1969
28-06-09, 21:13
well, make _up ur mind , darling :

if i do use the color red , i might be a thirsty vampire for blood ! :lol:

excluding all other millions of options .....


according to ur silly fantasies at least :

if i do use purple , i might be gay .... :lol:


what if i do use some ultra_violet light to make u see some other colors u can't see otherwise :lol: , some X_rays to see if u suffer from some ...fill in the blanks indeed ... or ......a scanner to scan ur brains or other ???? :lol:

HIER heb je wat om commentaar op te leveren .graag goudkleurig dit keer :fpuh:

http://www.jtwnetwork.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5166&Itemid=248

fisherman1969
28-06-09, 21:25
:jammer: Groen is ook hachelijk:




Wit op wit lijkt me in dit geval het beste voor iedereen.

Ja leuk ik kon hem als : der jungen der noch nie gevogeld hat!

DNA
29-06-09, 12:22
Nou, ik vermoed dat je wel homosexuele gevoelens hebt. Misschien praktiseer je zelfs wel.


:lol:

U wish ! :lol:


RU standing in front of the mirror talking to urself again ???

when RU gonna learn to separate between rationality & feelings_psychology ...., mr.Rousseau !

even rationality is not totally free from psychology, ego, subjectivism , ideology ....

u should try to develop ur "rational " side if that's not already too late !

DNA
29-06-09, 12:33
HIER heb je wat om commentaar op te leveren .graag goudkleurig dit keer :fpuh:

http://www.jtwnetwork.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5166&Itemid=248

see US death row : see how mainly poor blacks & poor minorities form the majority of death sentences there .....


take a loot at the mirror first & tell me what u see :


take a look at all those christian & secular materialistic ideological thoughtstreams & their practical cosequences :


christian crusades , western imperialism, black slavery from Africa , conquistadors in S.America, western imperialism in N.America, Australia , Africa, Asia ....& the ethnic cleansing massacres of Indians, abroriginals ...


western neo_imperialism ....

nazism; fascism , WWI , WWII , atomic bombs on Japan ....

communism, stalinism, red khmers ....

all products of ideological materialism : Liberal , marxist or other :

there's not even a difference between liberalism & marxism ...at the philosophical level at least !

so ...just shut up 'bout it : u've no right to lecture others :


practical ideological materialism had surpassed any other stream of thought, religion or other ...in atrocities , barbarism & more ....:aftel:

the last pages on materialism 's atrocities, wars , misery, oppression, injustices, slavery ...are not yet turned definitively :

that will happen soon enough ! don't worry !