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Arab Autocracy
By Rami G. Khouri
BEIRUT — The 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall passed very quietly in the Arab world, because the meaning of the wall’s fall — the transition from total state control to human freedom — also bypassed the Arab world.
Not the Islamic world, or the Middle East, but the Arab world. For many reasons, the Arab world collectively is the sole exception to the global wave of liberalization and democratization that touched every other region of the planet.
It is difficult to predict how and when our region will change, liberalize and democratize. The spark that sets off a chain reaction for freedom could happen in one country, and then spread to others, like the Solidarity movement in Poland.
The instruments of state control vary throughout the Arab world, and the intensity of autocracy also differs by country, but the net result — with very few exceptions — is the same: Most Arabs feel strong and confident about their culture, religion and identity, but powerless and vulnerable as citizens of their state.
The average Arab citizen does not feel that he or she has the opportunity to express himself or herself fully, or is able to influence government policies.
Modern history in other parts of the world indicates that people will accept to live in autocratic political systems if their standard of living continues to improve. After some years, though, they will demand the right to participate in the decisions their government makes.
The Arab world passed through a long period of sustained national development and state-building from the 1930s to the 1980s, when calls for democracy were rare. In the past 20 years, though, economic growth has tended to skew toward benefiting a small minority of wealthy Arabs. Citizens who simultaneously feel economically stressed and politically stunted find themselves transformed from productive assets for national developments to disruptive elements in a sea of discontent.
Islamist and tribal movements in the past two decades reflected many citizens’ determination to find a way to organize, mobilize and express themselves in political systems that structurally deprived them of real voice. Yet those that came to power have not provided citizens with the answers they seek, especially in the sphere of economic opportunity.
The instruments of state power — security services, economic power, information and educational channels, political offices, the judiciary — remain firmly in the hands of small groups of men in every Arab country. Parliaments and consultative councils are fully subservient to and manipulated by executive authority.
The result is that the Arab world lacks governance systems based on the rights of citizens, checks and balances among the different branches of government and civilian oversight of security services. Instead, governance and public service have become yet another arena where power, privilege and access to state services are negotiated on a daily basis among competing actors in society.
The majority of Arab societies are relatively stable and daily life goes on normally for most people — with war-torn exceptions like Somalia, Palestine, Iraq and others — because most Arabs have adapted well to competing for their share of state services in the absence of democratic systems. But beneath the surface calm is a sea of discontent and concern.
The greatest victims of the Arab world’s lack of democratic freedoms is the current generation of Arab youth. They enjoy all the other dimensions of modernity — education, travel, electronic interconnectedness, urbanism, exposure to other cultures — that should give them a productive, vibrant and satisfying life. Yet they are politically stunted and economically constrained.
The nature of discontent exhibited by Arab youth today is similar to that which drove the liberation movements of the Soviet bloc a generation ago: educated men and women whose basic needs were met but whose potential for political expression, cultural creativity and economic development were totally constrained by a top-heavy, militarized and closed political system.
I would not be surprised to see young people lead the movement for change in the Arab world, when the moment comes for that movement to materialize and wash away the legacy of authoritarian or autocratic power structures that have reached the end of their useful days in our region.
Rami G. Khouri is editor-at-large of The Daily Star and director of the Issam Fares Institute for Public Policy and International Affairs at the American University of Beirut.
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Ik denk dat Arabieren helemaal niet zo 'confident about their culture, religion and identity' zijn, maar dat terzijde.
Ik denk dat de Arabische wereld niet arm genoeg, of niet rijk genoeg is om in opstand te komen.
Maar het contrast met pakweg Tsjechoslowakije 1989 is wel frappant, ja. Maar dat was dan ook onderdrukkender. Als je je niet met de macht bemoeit in de Arabische wereld kan je verder alles uitvreten.
Niet geregistreerd
17-11-09, 11:35
All those disgusting criminal dictatorship Arab regimes supported by the "democratic" west must be toppled & must go down : the sooner the better :
Islam will take care of just that indeed , InshaAllah !
knuppeltje
17-11-09, 11:39
Niet geregistreerd;4154916]Islam will take care of just that indeed , InshaAllah !
Ik weet niet of Allah daar dan nog wel zin in heeft, tis tenslotte alles bij elkaar maar een goddeloos zooitje daar, en het wordt met de dag alleen maar erger. :fpimp:
All those disgusting criminal dictatorship Arab regimes supported by the "democratic" west must be toppled & must go down : the sooner the better :
Islam will take care of just that indeed , InshaAllah !
The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country. That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
knuppeltje
17-11-09, 12:04
Amaeru;4154934]The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country. That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
Zoals Turkije bv?
Nouja, ze mogen voorlopig niet in de EEG, maar dat is dan ook alles. Verder is er geen een islamitisch land 'free', zoals jij dat noemt.
The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country.
Waarom niet?
That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
Als de bevolking van een land echt van een dictator af will, lukt het ze wel ... zie de voormalig Oostblok landen.
The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country. That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
yes, i know that :
neither western democracy or Islam are options for the "democratic " new Roman empire imperialistic west in so_called muslim countries :
the status quo of today is what the west prefers the most :
the west had "suffered" some "terrorist" blows as a result , but seems not to have learned his lessons well ...yet :
the west has even been pushing for further secularisation=neutralisation of islam as THE obstacle & THE challenge for wesren domination & power ...
keeping muslim peoples poor , weak, ignorant, analphabetic ...& keeping them subjected to those criminal totalitarian regimes supported actively by this criminal
west, against their will, interests ............is what this west prefers indeed !
nothing is eternal , u know , when it comes to this life :
people die or live only once !
people will be soon enough fed up with those criminal "Arabic or muslim" regimes , don't worry, the west or any one else for that matter can't do much 'bout that then :
!
The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country. That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
Het zou integendeel veel beter en ook voordeliger voor 'het westen' zijn als er vrije, democratische Arabische landen zouden zijn. Politiek zouden het altijd bondgenoten zijn en op economisch gebied zou het alleen maar veel gunstiger zijn. Er is eigenlijk niet één reden te bedenken waarom 'het westen' de Arabische landen achterlijk zou houden.
Zoals Turkije bv?
Nouja, ze mogen voorlopig niet in de EEG, maar dat is dan ook alles. Verder is er geen een islamitisch land 'free', zoals jij dat noemt.
In Turkije is de islam al decennia lang onderdrukt. De laatste succesvolle poging was toen de Refah partij verboden werd. Nu nog zit het leger de moslims op de hielen.
Andere recente voorbeelden zijn, Algerije, Afghanistan, Somalie, Iran en Palestina.
people will be soon enough fed up with those criminal "Arabic or muslim" regimes , don't worry, the west or any one else for that matter can't do much 'bout that then :
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You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Bob Marley.
knuppeltje
17-11-09, 12:18
Amaeru;4154952] Nu nog zit het leger de moslims op de hielen.
Het leger zal daar echt niet meer aan beginnen, ondanks de steeds grotere invloed van de islam. Het zou revolutie betekenen.
Andere recente voorbeelden zijn, Algerije, Afghanistan, Somalie, Iran
In Algerije, Somalié en Iran onderdrukken al tig jaren de eigen leiders de bevolking.
en Palestina.
Palestina is nog steeds geen staat. Wat er van Afganistan nog terecht komt, zou ik bij god niet weten.
Maar je klets maar gezellig een eind weg, als je dat wilt.
In Turkije is de islam al decennia lang onderdrukt. De laatste succesvolle poging was toen de Refah partij verboden werd. Nu nog zit het leger de moslims op de hielen.
Andere recente voorbeelden zijn, Algerije, Afghanistan, Somalie, Iran en Palestina.
Turkije was bedoeld als DE "voorbeeld" & "pionier" voor moslims door die imperialistisch westen , met betrekking tot secularisme , maar feite is dat die "ervaring" is gedoemd te mislukken , want werd opgelegd aan de Turken door die pro_westen valse held crimineel islam _hater Ataturk :
zie hoe de Turken bijna massaal kiezen voor die islamitisch partij van Erdogan :
mensen worden wijzer & bewuster van hun eigen islamitisch identiteit :
secularisme als paulinistisch & atheistisch ideologie zal's moeten verdwijnen daar , ondanks het feit dat het leger daar het laatst wooord zou hebben & die zich profileert als de verdediger van die opgelegd crimineel secularisme daar ,maar een democratie is Turkije niet voor de bovenstaande & ander redenen , dus ...
islamic religious democracy is the answer , sooner or later !:
no one can stop that, West or no West = just a matter of time then !
knuppeltje
17-11-09, 12:19
Amaeru;4154956]You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Bob Marley.
Die heeft dan ook niet lang geleefd.
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Bob Marley.
yeah, people are getting more self_aware , self_conscious , so .........especially in these internet , information times ...........
western democracy seems to have become THE enemy of the truth ! unfortunately enough !
check out history to find out what does happen to the enemies of the truth : they might win temporarily , but they 're doomed to loose at the end of the line !
Het leger zal daar echt niet meer aan beginnen, ondanks de steeds grotere invloed van de islam. Het zou revolutie betekenen.
In Algerije, Somalié en Iran onderdrukken al tig jaren de eigen leiders de bevolking.
Palestina is nog steeds geen staat. Wat er van Afganistan nog terecht komt, zou ik bij god niet weten.
Maar je klets maar gezellig een eind weg, als je dat wilt.
Je erkent dus dat via het leger de moslims in Turkije zijn en worden onderdrukt.
In Algerije zijn democratische verkiezingen misdadig onderdrukt en met massale militaire steun van het westen geannuleerd.
Iran wordt al minstens 50 jaar op de heilen egzeten door het westen. Zelfs de eerste democratische verkiezingen zijn met steun van het westen onderdrukt. Sinds de bevolking via een revolutie de westerse dictator heeft verjaagd, zit Iran op de westerse schopstoel.
Na een jarenlange burgeroorlog kreeg Somalie eindelijk een centrale gezag, die meteen binnen een jaar door Ethiopie met westerse militaire steun in anarchie werd gedompeld.
In Palestina heeft Hamas na overreding van het westen meegedaan aan de eerste democratische verkiezingen. Nadat bleek dat Hamas die gewonnen had van het seculiere Fatah beweging, keerde de gehele westerse beschaving zich tegen de democratische gewonnen verkiezingen van de Palestijnen en werd Hamas door hen interationaal geboycot en kregen ze ook nog een herhaling van de razzia's en moordpartijen zoals hitler die in de Ghetto van Warschau heeft laten uitvoeren.
Ik kan doorgaan met voorbeelden op te noemen maar dan kan ik beter een boek schrijven. Zo rijkelijk zijn de voorbeelden van de westerse onderdrukking van de islamitische volkswil.
yeah, people are getting more self_aware , self_conscious , so .........especially in these internet , information times ...........
western democracy seems to have become THE enemy of the truth ! unfortunately enough !
check out history to find out what does happen to the enemies of the truth : they might win temporarily , but they 're doomed to loose at the end of the line !
The truth is confident of it's victorie. The oppressed latin, asian, african, muslims enz.. people know that. We are confident about our victorie to freedom.
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Bob Marley.
So now we see the light (what you gonna do?),
We gonna stand up for our rights! (yeah, yeah, yeah! )
So you better:
Get up, stand up! (in the morning! git it up! )
Stand up for your rights! (stand up for our rights! )
Get up, stand up!
Don't give up the fight! (don't give it up, don't give it up! )
Get up, stand up! (get up, stand up! )
Stand up for your rights! (get up, stand up! )
Get up, stand up! (... )
Don't give up the fight! (get up, stand up! )
Get up, stand up! (... )
Stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up!
Don't give up the fight! /fadeout/
Die heeft dan ook niet lang geleefd.
In de "christelijke" theologie wordt de dood als straf beschouwd.
Die heeft dan ook niet lang geleefd.
Dat is een correcte constantering. Het gaat ook niet om Bob Marley maar om zijn woorden, die leven voort.
So now we see the light (what you gonna do?),
We gonna stand up for our rights! (yeah, yeah, yeah! )
So you better:
Get up, stand up! (in the morning! git it up! )
Stand up for your rights! (stand up for our rights! )
Get up, stand up!
Don't give up the fight! (don't give it up, don't give it up! )
Get up, stand up! (get up, stand up! )
Stand up for your rights! (get up, stand up! )
Get up, stand up! (... )
Don't give up the fight! (get up, stand up! )
Get up, stand up! (... )
Stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up!
Don't give up the fight! /fadeout/
Yeah, let's play the song:
YouTube- bob marley - get up stand up
Die arme hulpeloze arabieren kunnen er niets aan doen, het kwade westen gooit roet in het eten. Of zoiets.
In de "christelijke" theologie wordt de dood als straf beschouwd.
:lol:
Satan in person w'd feel at home within ...Paulinism ! :lol:
The ''democratic'' west will never accept a free islamic country. That is one of the reasons that they create and keep the dictators on power and keep starting wars against the islamic people and countries.
Ah, achtervolgingswaanzin. Het ligt er niet aan dat een godsdienst ook niet een samenleving kan redden, nee, de Perfecte Islamitische Staat wordt gesaboteerd door duh Perfide Westerlingen. Dat is namelijk de locale hobby hier, islamitische staten saboteren.
Heel handig, de islam blijft brandschoon, de slechterikken identified. De Arabische intellectueel kan weer gaan slapen.
Man o man
Het gaat ook niet om Bob Marley maar om zijn woorden, die leven voort.
Het waren de woorden van Abrahan Lincoln.
Een kniesoor die erop let.
In Turkije is de islam al decennia lang onderdrukt.
Vertel? Weer zo'n licht dat denkt verstand van Turkije te hebben.
Define 'islam onderdrukken'. Alleen de formulering is al debiel en inhoudsloos.
De laatste succesvolle poging was toen de Refah partij verboden werd.
Geklets.
De islam moet dus islamistisch zijn van jou.
Andere recente voorbeelden zijn, Algerije, Afghanistan, Somalie, Iran en Palestina.
Vertel hoe daar de islam onderdrukt wordt? Je bedoelt dat babymoordenaars en kinderverkrachters bestreden worden? Dat vind je naar? Goede moslims moeten babies kunnen vermoorden door hun hoofdjes als een meloen tegen de muur uiteen te laten spatten (Algerije)?
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Bob Marley.
Bob Marley :hihi: Je moet niet zoveel blowen.
"You may fool all the people some of the time; ... some of the people all the time; but you can't fool all of the people all the time. "
Toegeschreven aan Abraham Lincoln.
Het waren de woorden van Abrahan Lincoln.
Een kniesoor die erop let.
yeah , this is just for the record : not for ur silly eyes :
Lincoln was not totally right :
& yes, u can fool all the people all the time :
see that western materialistic secular atheistic "civilization" of "apes" which has been taking over our planet , humanity gotta be liberated from ! :lol: !
most of u, westerners , if not all of u , are still fooled by that materialistic western enslaving alienating secular ,atheistic non_sense ...
congratulations ! :cola:
u're a soul slave ....
u're Satan in person in disguise , as the "angel of light" :
we're no wild horses to be tamed , paternalistic imperialistic silly boy:
we're not the new black slaves from Africa ! :lol:
try to liberate urself from ur ideological moral cultural ...make believe _prison , to smell the fresh air under the bright sun, we might offer u a helping hand if u want to ; all u have to do is just ...ask :
:zwaai:
Je erkent dus dat via het leger de moslims in Turkije zijn en worden onderdrukt.
Wat houdt dat 'onderdrukken' toch in, volgens jou? In Turkije worden Koerden onderdrukt, en als 'links' beschouwde mensen. Die werden gemarteld, vermoord en zonder vorm van proces opgesloten. Islamistische terroristen werden met zachte handschoentjes aangepakt.
In Algerije zijn democratische verkiezingen misdadig onderdrukt en met massale militaire steun van het westen geannuleerd.
Waarop de fijne moslims wier partij werd gedwarsboomd massaal aan het moorden sloegen. Maar dat vertel je er maar even niet bij. Achteraf had het leger gelijk, kan je zeggen.
Iran wordt al minstens 50 jaar op de heilen egzeten door het westen. Zelfs de eerste democratische verkiezingen zijn met steun van het westen onderdrukt. Sinds de bevolking via een revolutie de westerse dictator heeft verjaagd, zit Iran op de westerse schopstoel.
Met islam heeft dat, zoals je zelf ook al laat merken, geen ene ruk te maken.
Waarom heb jij schijt aan niet-moslimderdewereldbewoners? Moslims zijn zieliger? Niet-moslims kunnen doodvallen?
Ik kan doorgaan met voorbeelden op te noemen maar dan kan ik beter een boek schrijven. Zo rijkelijk zijn de voorbeelden van de westerse onderdrukking van de islamitische volkswil.
Dat 'islamitische' is volledig gelul, en dat weet je zelf ook wel. Racist, om ff jouw niveau te hanteren :hihi: Je maakt onderscheid tussen 'moslims' in de derde wereld, en 'niet-moslims'. Alleen het verdriet van de eersten kan jou wat schelen.
Vertel, zijn Assad en Ghadaffi de Syrische Lybische islamitische volkswillen, of worden ze door het westen in het zadel gehouden.
Luister es, dit soort loserige, leugenachtige praat horen we hier nu al jaren. Ik dacht dat jij gestudeerd had. Je weet niets of je lult er biased op los. Verzin in godsnaam een keer wat nieuws.
Ah, achtervolgingswaanzin. Het ligt er niet aan dat een godsdienst ook niet een samenleving kan redden, nee, de Perfecte Islamitische Staat wordt gesaboteerd door duh Perfide Westerlingen. Dat is namelijk de locale hobby hier, islamitische staten saboteren.
Heel handig, de islam blijft brandschoon, de slechterikken identified. De Arabische intellectueel kan weer gaan slapen.
Man o man
Alles wat ik benoemde zijn feiten. De islam zal heus niet voor alle problemen direct een kant en klare oplossingen bieden, maar op zijn minst willen de burgers van die staten hun eigen weg of lotsbestemming bepalen. Daartoe moeten ze de kans krijgen.
Wat houdt dat 'onderdrukken' toch in, volgens jou? In Turkije worden Koerden onderdrukt, en als 'links' beschouwde mensen. Die werden gemarteld, vermoord en zonder vorm van proces opgesloten. Islamistische terroristen werden met zachte handschoentjes aangepakt.
Waarop de fijne moslims wier partij werd gedwarsboomd massaal aan het moorden sloegen. Maar dat vertel je er maar even niet bij. Achteraf had het leger gelijk, kan je zeggen.
Met islam heeft dat, zoals je zelf ook al laat merken, geen ene ruk te maken.
Waarom heb jij schijt aan niet-moslimderdewereldbewoners? Moslims zijn zieliger? Niet-moslims kunnen doodvallen?
Dat 'islamitische' is volledig gelul, en dat weet je zelf ook wel. Racist, om ff jouw niveau te hanteren :hihi: Je maakt onderscheid tussen 'moslims' in de derde wereld, en 'niet-moslims'. Alleen het verdriet van de eersten kan jou wat schelen.
Vertel, zijn Assad en Ghadaffi de Syrische Lybische islamitische volkswillen, of worden ze door het westen in het zadel gehouden.
Luister es, dit soort loserige, leugenachtige praat horen we hier nu al jaren. Ik dacht dat jij gestudeerd had. Je weet niets of je lult er biased op los. Verzin in godsnaam een keer wat nieuws.
Ik wil graag met je discusseren, maar als je zo onbeschoft blijft heb ik daar geen zin in. Is het misschien een strategie om je discussiepartner te beledigen en aan te vallen zodat hij ook onbeschoft de discussie met je aangaat of weigert om met je te discusseren zodat er dan uiteindelijk niets meer van de discussie overblijft?
Je standpunten zijn voor mij makkelijk te weerleggen maar ik ga je niet belonen voor je onredelijke gedrag.
Bob Marley is een matig getalenteerde sell-out. Slaaf van de yankee dollar met fake muziek ten onder aan drugs, en dan als voorbeeld dienen voor de Bevrijding der Onderdrukten der Aarde.
Wat een wereld leven we in :jammer:
:hihi:
Het waren de woorden van Abrahan Lincoln.
Een kniesoor die erop let.
Bedankt voor je aanvulling.
Sharp Shooter
17-11-09, 13:45
Ik kan doorgaan met voorbeelden op te noemen maar dan kan ik beter een boek schrijven. Zo rijkelijk zijn de voorbeelden van de westerse onderdrukking van de islamitische volkswil.De grootste fear van het westen is dat de Moslims terug samenkomen en een blok tegen hen vormen. De profeet vzmh zei "waqoel li3ibadi an jakoeloe fahia laki a7san fa inna ashaitaanoe janzagoe bainhoem" wat wil zeggen dat men geen koeffaars kan maken van de Moslims, ze zullen aan hun dien blijven vasthouden (of het nu op en hoog of laag pitje is), waardoor de Westerse koefaars hen op een ander vlak gaan pakken en dat is door divisie te creeeren zodat zij niet samen komen voor de creatie van een khalifaat. Kijk hoe de secret services met gemak in die landen optreden, zelf destijds toen Irak werd aangevallen wist Frankrijk met zekerheid dat Saddam geen WMD wapens had. Ook Zuid-Amerika ondergaat momenteel hetzelfde lot, De Amerikanen proberen er divisie te creeren om terug de invloed te krijgen die zij hebben verloren en dit proberen zij te doen via ubercorrupte Colombia.
:verveeld:
Dejà vu. (http://aufrechtgehen.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/che-mit-pali-tuch.gif)
Ik wil graag met je discusseren, maar als je zo onbeschoft blijft heb ik daar geen zin in.
Jij beledigt ieder's intelligentie hier, en denkt lezers te kunnen misleiden. Ik erger me daar vreselijk aan.
En dan de vermoorde onschuld spelen 'oeh je bent zo onbeleefd'.
Jouw soort van 'onbeleefdheid' is honderd keer zo erg als de mijne.
Jij kan niks 'weerleggen' want jij weet eigenlijk nergens wat van. Niet van aforismen, niet van Turkije, niet van Bob Marley en niet van Algerije :cheefbek:
Bedankt voor je aanvulling.
Nee, dat heet een correctie.
Jij gaf foute info.
Van dit soort leugenachtig gebabbel houd ik dus niet. Begrijp je? Of ziie je het verschil tussen liegen en de waarheid spreken nooit zo? Of is het niet zo belangrijk voor een 'moslim'?
Enfin, veel plezier in de speeltuin.
Je voert de discussie naar een zinloze persoonlijke afslag waar alleen ruimte is voor moddergooien. Daar ga ik niet aan meedoen en zal ik verder ook niet belonen met mijn aandacht.
Het is geen leugen om iemand te bedanken voor zijn reactie die mijn kennis aanvult over bepaalde zinsneden. Het is voor mij een aanvulling van mijn kennis omdat ik de woorden alleen via Bob Marley kende. Het is dus geen correctie omdat ik namelijk niets verkeerd beweerd heb. De zinsnede kende ik alleen via Bob Marley.
Het is pas een correctie als ik iemand zijn naam noteerde die een dergelijke zinsnede niet gebruikt heeft. Het is een aanvulling omdat naast Bob Marley ook Abraham Lincoln deze woorden heeft gebezigd.
Door je te focussen op persoonlijke aanvallen en beschuldigingen daalt het beschaafdheidsniveau hier in deze discussie, daarom ga ik niet verder met jou in discussie, hoe aanlokkelijk het ook is om je andere standpunten te verkruimelen
Yeah, let's play the song:
YouTube- bob marley - get up stand up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteVudR5HMw)
Haha
Dat wordt voor mij dan de tweede keer vandaag. Vanochtend heb ik een een verzamel-cd afgespeeld waar deze versie (1974) ook op te horen is.
Ik wil graag met je discusseren, maar als je zo onbeschoft blijft heb ik daar geen zin in. Is het misschien een strategie om je discussiepartner te beledigen en aan te vallen zodat hij ook onbeschoft de discussie met je aangaat of weigert om met je te discusseren zodat er dan uiteindelijk niets meer van de discussie overblijft?
Je standpunten zijn voor mij makkelijk te weerleggen maar ik ga je niet belonen voor je onredelijke gedrag.
:duim:
De grootste fear van het westen is dat de Moslims terug samenkomen en een blok tegen hen vormen. De profeet vzmh zei "waqoel li3ibadi an jakoeloe fahia laki a7san fa inna ashaitaanoe janzagoe bainhoem" wat wil zeggen dat men geen koeffaars kan maken van de Moslims, ze zullen aan hun dien blijven vasthouden (of het nu op en hoog of laag pitje is), waardoor de Westerse koefaars hen op een ander vlak gaan pakken en dat is door divisie te creeeren zodat zij niet samen komen voor de creatie van een khalifaat. Kijk hoe de secret services met gemak in die landen optreden, zelf destijds toen Irak werd aangevallen wist Frankrijk met zekerheid dat Saddam geen WMD wapens had. Ook Zuid-Amerika ondergaat momenteel hetzelfde lot, De Amerikanen proberen er divisie te creeren om terug de invloed te krijgen die zij hebben verloren en dit proberen zij te doen via ubercorrupte Colombia.
Verdeel en heerspolitiek. Democratie in de derde wereld mag alleen bestaan als het de doelen van het westen dient.
Voorbeeld:
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Americas Third World War
How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries
See below THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA:
John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush. He spent 13 years in the agency. He gives a short history of CIA covert operations. He is a very compelling speaker and the highest level CIA officer to testify to the Congress about his actions. He estimates that over 6 million people have died in CIA covert actions, and this was in the late 1980's.
THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA:
by John Stockwell
A lecture given in October, 1987
Part I - Part II
John Stockwell is the highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public. He ran a CIA intelligence-gathering post in Vietnam, was the task-force commander of the CIA's secret war in Angola in 1975 and 1976, and was awarded the Medal of Merit before he resigned. Stockwell's book In Search of Enemies, published by W.W. Norton 1978, is an international best-seller.
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"I did 13 years in the CIA altogether. I sat on a subcommittee of the NSC, so I was like a chief of staff, with the GS-18s (like 3-star generals) Henry Kissinger, Bill Colby (the CIA director), the GS-18s and the CIA, making the important decisions and my job was to put it all together and make it happen and run it, an interesting place from which to watch a covert action being done...
I testified for days before the Congress, giving them chapter and verse, date and detail, proving specific lies. They were asking if we had to do with S. Africa, that was fighting in the country. In fact we were coordinating this operation so closely that our airplanes, full of arms from the states, would meet their airplanes in Kinshasa and they would take our arms into Angola to distribute to our forces for us....
What I found with all of this study is that the subject, the problem, if you will, for the world, for the U.S. is much, much, much graver, astronomically graver, than just Angola and Vietnam. I found that the Senate Church committee has reported, in their study of covert actions, that the CIA ran several thousand covert actions since 1961, and that the heyday of covert action was before 1961; that we have run several hundred covert actions a year, and the CIA has been in business for a total of 37 years.
What we're going to talk about tonight is the United States national security syndrome. We're going to talk about how and why the U.S. manipulates the press. We're going to talk about how and why the U.S. is pouring money into El Salvador, and preparing to invade Nicaragua; how all of this concerns us so directly. I'm going to try to explain to you the other side of terrorism; that is, the other side of what Secretary of State Shultz talks about. In doing this, we'll talk about the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and the Central American war.
Everything I'm going to talk to you about is represented, one way or another, already in the public records. You can dig it all out for yourselves, without coming to hear me if you so chose. Books, based on information gotten out of the CIA under the freedom of information act, testimony before the Congress, hearings before the Senate Church committee, research by scholars, witness of people throughout the world who have been to these target areas that we'll be talking about. I want to emphasize that my own background is profoundly conservative. We come from South Texas, East Texas....
I was conditioned by my training, my marine corps training, and my background, to believe in everything they were saying about the cold war, and I took the job with great enthusiasm (in the CIA) to join the best and the brightest of the CIA, of our foreign service, to go out into the world, to join the struggle, to project American values and save the world for our brand of democracy. And I believed this. I went out and worked hard....
What I really got out of these 6 years in Africa was a sense ... that nothing we were doing in fact defended U.S. national security interests very much. We didn't have many national security interests in Bujumbura, Burundi, in the heart of Africa. I concluded that I just couldn't see the point.
We were doing things it seemed because we were there, because it was our function, we were bribing people, corrupting people, and not protecting the U.S. in any visible way. I had a chance to go drinking with this Larry Devlin, a famous CIA case officer who had overthrown Patrice Lumumba, and had him killed in 1960, back in the Congo. He was moving into the Africa division Chief. I talked to him in Addis Ababa at length one night, and he was giving me an explanation - I was telling him frankly, 'sir, you know, this stuff doesn't make any sense, we're not saving anybody from anything, and we are corrupting people, and everybody knows we're doing it, and that makes the U.S. look bad'.
And he said I was getting too big for my britches. He said, `you're trying to think like the people in the NSC back in Washington who have the big picture, who know what's going on in the world, who have all the secret information, and the experience to digest it. If they decide we should have someone in Bujumbura, Burundi, and that person should be you, then you should do your job, and wait until you have more experience, and you work your way up to that point, then you will understand national security, and you can make the big decisions. Now, get to work, and stop, you know, this philosophizing.'
And I said, `Aye-aye sir, sorry sir, a bit out of line sir'. It's a very powerful argument, our presidents use it on us. President Reagan has used it on the American people, saying, `if you knew what I know about the situation in Central America, you would understand why it's necessary for us to intervene.'
I went back to Washington, however, and I found that others shared my concern. A formal study was done in the State Department and published internally, highly classified, called the Macomber [sp?] report, concluding that the CIA had no business being in Africa for anything it was known to be doing, that our presence there was not justified, there were no national security interests that the CIA could address any better than the ambassador himself. We didn't need to have bribery and corruption as a tool for doing business in Africa at that time.
I went from ... a tour in Washington to Vietnam. And there, my career, and my life, began to get a little bit more serious. They assigned me a country. It was during the cease-fire, '73 to '75. There was no cease-fire. Young men were being slaughtered. I saw a slaughter. 300 young men that the South Vietnamese army ambushed. Their bodies brought in and laid out in a lot next to my compound. I was up-country in Tayninh. They were laid out next door, until the families could come and claim them and take them away for burial.
I thought about this. I had to work with the sadistic police chief. When I reported that he liked to carve people with knives in the CIA safe-house - when I reported this to my bosses, they said, `(1). The post was too important to close down. (2). They weren't going to get the man transferred or fired because that would make problems, political problems, and he was very good at working with us in the operations he worked on. (3). Therefore if I didn't have the stomach for the job, that they could transfer me.'
But they hastened to point out, if I did demonstrate a lack of `moral fiber' to handle working with the sadistic police chief, that I wouldn't get another good job in the CIA, it would be a mark against
my career.
So I kept the job, I closed the safe-house down, I told my staff that I didn't approve of that kind of activity, and I proceeded to work with him for the next 2 years, pretending that I had reformed him, and he didn't do this sort of thing anymore. The parallel is obvious with El Salvador today, where the CIA, the state department, works with the death squads.
They don't meet the death squads on the streets where they're actually chopping up people or laying them down on the street and running trucks over their heads. The CIA people in San Salvador meet the police chiefs, and the people who run the death squads, and they do liaise with them, they meet them beside the swimming pool of the villas. And it's a sophisticated, civilized kind of relationship. And they talk about their children, who are going to school at UCLA or Harvard and other schools, and they don't talk about the horrors of what's being done. They pretend like it isn't true.
What I ran into in addition to that was a corruption in the CIA and the intelligence business that made me question very seriously what it was all about, including what I was doing ... risking my life ... what I found was that the CIA, us, the case officers, were not permitted to report about the corruption in the South Vietnamese army....
Now, the corruption was so bad, that the S. Vietnamese army was a skeleton army. Colonels would let the troops go home if they would come in once a month and sign the pay vouchers so the colonel could pocket the money. Then he could sell half of the uniforms and boots and M-16's to the communist forces - that was their major supply, just as it is in El Salvador today. He could use half of the trucks to haul produce, half of the helicopters to haul heroin.
And the Army couldn't fight. And we lived with it, and we saw it, and there was no doubt - everybody talked about it openly. We could provide all kinds of proof, and they wouldn't let us report it. Now this was a serious problem because the south was attacked in the winter of 1975, and it collapsed like a big vase hit by a sledgehammer. And the U.S. was humiliated, and that was the dramatic end of our long involvement in Vietnam....
I had been designated as the task-force commander that would run this secret war [in Angola in 1975 and 1976].... and what I figured out was that in this job, I would sit on a sub-committee of the National Security Council, this office that Larry Devlin has told me about where they had access to all the information about Angola, about the whole world, and I would finally understand national security. And I couldn't resist the opportunity to know. I knew the CIA was not a worthwhile organization, I had learned that the hard way. But the question was where did the U.S. government fit into this thing, and I had a chance to see for myself in the next big secret war....
I wanted to know if wise men were making difficult decisions based on truly important, threatening information, threatening to our national security interests. If that had been the case, I still planned to get out of the CIA, but I would know that the system, the invisible government, our national security complex, was in fact justified and worth while. And so I took the job.... Suffice it to say I wouldn't be standing in front of you tonight if I had found these wise men making these tough decisions. What I found, quite frankly, was fat old men sleeping through sub-committee meetings of the NSC in which we were making decisions that were killing people in Africa. I mean literally. Senior ambassador Ed Mulcahy... would go to sleep in nearly every one of these meetings....
You can change the names in my book [about Angola] [13] and you've got Nicaragua.... the basic structure, all the way through including the mining of harbors, we addressed all of these issues. The point is that the U.S. led the way at every step of the escalation of the fighting. We said it was the Soviets and the Cubans that were doing it. It was the U.S. that was escalating the fighting. There would have been no war if we hadn't gone in first. We put arms in, they put arms in. We put advisors in, they answered with advisors. We put in Zairian para-commando battalions, they put in Cuban army troops. We brought in the S. African army, they brought in the Cuban army. And
they pushed us away. They blew us away because we were lying, we were covering ourselves with lies, and they were telling the truth. And it was not a war that we could fight. We didn't have interests there that should have been defended that way.
There was never a study run that evaluated the MPLA, FNLA and UNITA, the three movements in the country, to decide which one was the better one. The assistant secretary of state for African affairs, Nathaniel Davis, no bleeding-heart liberal (he was known by some people in the business as the butcher of Santiago), he said we should stay out of the conflict and work with whoever eventually won, and that was obviously the MPLA. Our consul in Luanda, Tom Killoran, vigorously argued that the MPLA was the best qualified to run the country and the friendliest to the U.S.
We brushed these people aside, forced Matt Davis to resign, and proceeded with our war. The MPLA said they wanted to be our friends, they didn't want to be pushed into the arms of the Soviet Union; they begged us not to fight them, they wanted to work with us. We said they wanted a cheap victory, they wanted a walk-over, they wanted to be un-opposed, that we wouldn't give them a cheap victory, we would make them earn it, so to speak. And we did. 10,000 Africans died and they won the victory that they were winning anyway.
Now, the most significant thing that I got out of all of this, in addition to the fact that our rationales were basically false, was that we lied. To just about everybody involved. One third of my staff in this task force that I put together in Washington, commanding this global operation, pulling strings all over the world to focus pressure onto Angola, and military activities into Angola, one third of my staff was propagandists, who were working, in every way they could to create this picture of Cubans raping Angolans, Cubans and Soviets introducing arms into the conflict, Cubans and Russians trying to take over the world.
Our ambassador to the United Nations, Patrick Moynihan, he read continuous statements of our position to the Security Council, the general assembly, and the press conferences, saying the Russians and Cubans were responsible for the conflict, and that we were staying out, and that we deplored the militarization of the conflict.
And every statement he made was false. And every statement he made was originated in the sub-committee of the NSC that I sat on as we managed this thing. The state department press person read these position papers daily to the press. We would write papers for him. Four paragraphs. We would call him on the phone and say, `call us 10 minutes before you go on, the situation could change overnight, we'll tell you which paragraph to read. And all four paragraphs would be false. Nothing to do with the truth. Designed to play on events, to create this impression of Soviet and Cuban aggression in Angola. When they were in fact responding to our initiatives.
And the CIA director was required by law to brief the Congress. This CIA director Bill Colby - the same one that dumped our people in Vietnam - he gave 36 briefings of the Congress, the oversight committees, about what we were doing in Angola. And he lied. At 36 formal briefings. And such lies are perjury, and it's a felony to lie to the Congress.
He lied about our relationship with South Africa. We were working closely with the South African army, giving them our arms, coordinating battles with them, giving them fuel for their tanks and armored cars. He said we were staying well away from them. They were concerned about these white mercenaries that were appearing in Angola, a very sensitive issue, hiring whites to go into a black African country, to help you impose your will on that black African country by killing the blacks, a very sensitive issue. The Congress was concerned we might be involved in that, and he assured them we had nothing to do with it.
We had in fact formed four little mercenary armies and delivered them into Angola to do this dirty business for the CIA. And he lied to them about that. They asked if we were putting arms into the conflict, and he said no, and we were. They asked if we had advisors inside the country, and he said `no, we had people going in to look at the situation and coming back out'. We had 24 people sleeping inside the country, training in the use of weapons, installing communications systems, planning battles, and he said, we didn't have anybody inside the country.
In summary about Angola, without U.S. intervention, 10,000 people would be alive that were killed in the thing. The outcome might have been peaceful, or at least much less bloody. The MPLA was winning when we went in, and they went ahead and won, which was, according to our consul, the best thing for the country.
At the end of this thing the Cubans were entrenched in Angola, seen in the eyes of much of the world as being the heroes that saved these people from the CIA and S. African forces. We had allied the U.S. literally and in the eyes of the world with the S. African army, and that's illegal, and it's impolitic. We had hired white mercenaries and eventually been identified with them. And that's illegal, and it's impolitic. And our lies had been visible lies. We were caught out on those lies. And the world saw the U.S. as liars.
After it was over, you have to ask yourself, was it justified? What did the MPLA do after they had won? Were they lying when they said they wanted to be our friends? 3 weeks after we were shut down... the MPLA had Gulf oil back in Angola, pumping the Angolan oil from the oilfields, with U.S. gulf technicians protected by Cuban soldiers, protecting them from CIA mercenaries who were still mucking around in Northern Angola.
You can't trust a communist, can you? They proceeded to buy five 737 jets from Boeing Aircraft in Seattle. And they brought in 52 U.S. technicians to install the radar systems to land and take-off those planes. They didn't buy [the Soviet Union's] Aeroflot.... David Rockefeller himself tours S. Africa and comes back and holds press conferences, in which he says that we have no problem doing business with the so-called radical states of Southern Africa.
I left the CIA, I decided that the American people needed to know what we'd done in Angola, what we'd done in Vietnam. I wrote my book. I was fortunate - I got it out. It was a best-seller. A lot of people read it. I was able to take my story to the American people. Got on 60 minutes, and lots and lots of other shows.
I testified to the Congress and then I began my education in earnest, after having been taught to fight communists all my life. I went to see what communists were all about. I went to Cuba to see if they do in fact eat babies for breakfast. And I found they don't. I went to Budapest, a country that even national geographic admits is working nicely. I went to Jamaica to talk to Michael Manley about his theories of social democracy.
I went to Grenada and established a dialogue with Maurice Bishop and Bernard Cord and Phyllis Cord, to see - these were all educated people, and experienced people - and they had a theory, they had something they wanted to do, they had rationales and explanations - and I went repeatedly to hear them. And then of course I saw the U.S., the CIA mounting a covert action against them, I saw us orchestrating our plan to invade the country. 19 days before he was killed, I was in Grenada talking to Maurice Bishop about these things, these indicators, the statements in the press by Ronald Reagan, and he and I were both acknowledging that it was almost certain that the U.S. would invade Grenada in the near future.
I read as many books as I could find on the subject - book after book after book. I've got several hundred books on the shelf over my desk on the subject of U.S. national security interests. And by the way, I urge you to read. In television you get capsules of news that someone else puts together what they want you to hear about the news. In newspapers you get what the editors select to put in the newspaper. If you want to know about the world and understand, to educate yourself, you have to get out and dig, dig up books and articles for yourself. Read, and find out for yourselves. As you'll see, the issues are very, very important.
I also was able to meet the players, the people who write, the people who have done studies, people who are leading different situations. I went to Nicaragua a total of 7 times. This was a major covert action. It lasted longer and evolved to be bigger than what we did in Angola. It gave me a chance, after running something from Washington, to go to a country that was under attack, to talk to the leadership, to talk to the people, to look and see what happens when you give white phosporous or grenades or bombs or bullets to people, and they go inside a country, to go and talk to the people, who have been shot, or hit, or blown up....
We're talking about 10 to 20 thousand covert actions [the CIA has performed since 1961]. What I found was that lots and lots of people have been killed in these things.... Some of them are very, very bloody.
The Indonesian covert action of 1965, reported by Ralph McGehee, who was in that area division, and had documents on his desk, in his custody about that operation. He said that one of the documents concluded that this was a model operation that should be copied elsewhere in the world. Not only did it eliminate the effective communist party (Indonesian communist party), it also eliminated the entire segment of the population that tended to support the communist party - the ethnic Chinese, Indonesian Chinese. And the CIA's report put the number of dead at 800,000 killed. And that was one covert action. We're talking about 1 to 3 million people killed in these things.
Two of these things have led us directly into bloody wars. There was a covert action against China, destabilizing China, for many, many years, with a propaganda campaign to work up a mood, a feeling in this country, of the evils of communist China, and attacking them, as we're doing in Nicaragua today, with an army that was being launched against them to parachute in and boat in and destabilize the country. And this led us directly into the Korean war.
U.S. intelligence officers worked over Vietnam for a total of 25 years, with greater and greater involvement, massive propaganda, deceiving the American people about what was happening. Panicking people in Vietnam to create migrations to the south so they could photograph it and show how people were fleeing communism. And on and on, until they got us into the Vietnam war, and 2,000,000 people were killed.
There is a mood, a sentiment in Washington, by our leadership today, for the past 4 years, that a good communist is a dead communist. If you're killing 1 to 3 million communists, that's great. President Reagan has gone public and said he would reduce the Soviet Union to a pile of ashes. The problem, though, is that these people killed by our national security activities are not communists. They're not Russians, they're not KGB. In the field we used to play chess with the KGB officers, and have drinks with them. It was like professional football players - we would knock heads on Sunday, maybe in an operation, and then Tuesday you're at a banquet together drinking toasts and talking.
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The people that are dying in these things are people of the third world. That's the common denominator that you come up with. People of the third world. People that have the misfortune of being born in the Metumba mountains of the Congo, in the jungles of Southeast Asia, and now in the hills of northern Nicaragua. Far more Catholics than communists, far more Buddhists than communists. Most of them couldn't give you an intelligent definition of communism, or of capitalism.
Central America has been a traditional target of U.S. dominion. If you want to get an easy-read of the history of our involvement in Central America, read Walter LaFeber's book, Inevitable Revolutions. [8] We have dominated the area since 1820. We've had a policy of dominion, of excluding other countries, other industrial powers from Europe, from competing with us in the area.
Just to give you an example of how complete this is, and how military this has been, between 1900 and W.W. II, we had 5,000 marines in Nicaragua for a total of 28 years. We invaded the Dominican Republic 4 times. Haiti, we occupied it for 12 years. We put our troops into Cuba 4 times, Panama 6 times, Guatemala once, plus a CIA covert action to overthrow the democratic government there once. Honduras, 7 times. And by the way, we put 12,000 troops into the Soviet Union during that same period of time.
In the 1930's there was public and international pressure about our marines in Nicaragua....
The next three leaders of Guatemala [after the CIA installed the puppet, Colonel Armaz in a coup] died violent deaths, and Amnesty International tells us that the governments we've supported in power there since then, have killed 80,000 people. You can read about that one in the book Bitter Fruit, by Schlesinger and Kinzer. [5] Kinzer's a New York Times Journalist... or Jonathan Kwitny, the Wall Street Journal reporter, his book Endless Enemies [7] - all discuss this....
However, the money, the millions and millions of dollars we put into this program [helping Central America] inevitably went to the rich, and not to the people of the countries involved. And while we were doing this, while we were trying, at least saying we were trying, to correct the problems of Central and Latin America, the CIA was doing its thing, too. The CIA was in fact forming the police units that are today the death squads in El Salvador. With the leaders on the CIA's payroll, trained by the CIA and the United States.
We had the `public safety program' going throughout Central and Latin America for 26 years, in which we taught them to break up subversion by interrogating people. Interrogation, including torture, the way the CIA taught it. Dan Metrione, the famous exponent of these things, did 7 years in Brazil and 3 in Uruguay, teaching interrogation, teaching torture. He was supposed to be the master of the business, how to apply the right amount of pain, at just the right times, in order to get the response you want from the individual.
They developed a wire. They gave them crank generators, with `U.S. AID' written on the side, so the people even knew where these things came from. They developed a wire that was strong enough to carry the current and fine enough to fit between the teeth, so you could put one wire between the teeth and the other one in or around the genitals and you could crank and submit the individual to the greatest amount of pain, supposedly, that the human body can register.
Now how do you teach torture? Dan Metrione: `I can teach you about torture, but sooner or later you'll have to get involved. You'll have to lay on your hands and try it yourselves.'
.... All they [the guinea pigs, beggars from off the streets] could do was lie there and scream. And when they would collapse, they would bring in doctors and shoot them up with vitamin B and rest them up for the next class. And when they would die, they would mutilate the bodies and throw them out on the streets, to terrify the population so they would be afraid of the police and the government.
And this is what the CIA was teaching them to do. And one of the women who was in this program for 2 years - tortured in Brazil for 2 years - she testified internationally when she eventually got out. She said, `The most horrible thing about it was in fact, that the people doing the torture were not raving psychopaths.' She couldn't break mental contact with them the way you could if they were psychopath. They were very ordinary people....
There's a lesson in all of this. And the lesson is that it isn't only Gestapo maniacs, or KGB maniacs, that do inhuman things to other people, it's people that do inhuman things to other people. And we are responsible for doing these things, on a massive basis, to people of the world today. And we do it in a way that gives us this plausible denial to our own consciences; we create a CIA, a secret police, we give them a vast budget, and we let them go and run these programs in our name, and we pretend like we don't know it's going on, although the information is there for us to know; and we pretend like it's ok because we're fighting some vague communist threat. And we're just as responsible for these 1 to 3 million people we've slaughtered and for all the people we've tortured and made miserable, as the Gestapo was the people that they've slaughtered and killed. Genocide is genocide!
Now we're pouring money into El Salvador. A billion dollars or so. And it's a documented fact that the... 14 families there that own 60% of the country are taking out between 2 to 5 billion dollars - it's called de-capitalization - and putting it in banks in Miami and Switzerland. Mort Halper, in testifying to a committee of the Congress, he suggested we could simplify the whole thing politically just by investing our money directly in the Miami banks in their names and just stay out of El Salvador altogether. And the people would be better off.
Nicaragua. What's happening in Nicaragua today is covert action. It's a classic de-stabilization program. In November 16, 1981, President Reagan allocated 19 million dollars to form an army, a force of contras, they're called, ex-Somoza national guards, the monsters who were doing the torture and terror in Nicaragua that made the Nicaraguan people rise up and throw out the dictator, and throw out the guard. We went back to create an army of these people. We are killing, and killing, and terrorizing people. Not only in Nicaragua but the Congress has leaked to the press - reported in the New York Times, that there are 50 covert actions going around the world today, CIA covert actions going on around the world today.
You have to be asking yourself, why are we destabilizing 50 corners of the troubled world? Why are we about to go to war in Nicaragua, the Central American war? It is the function, I suggest, of the CIA, with its 50 de-stabilization programs going around the world today, to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize the American people to hate, so we will let the establishment spend any amount of money on arms....
The Victor Marquetti ruling of the Supreme Court gave the government the right to prepublication censorship of books. They challenged 360 items in his 360 page book. He fought it in court, and eventually they deleted some 60 odd items in his book.
The Frank Snep ruling of the Supreme Court gave the government the right to sue a government employee for damages. If s/he writes an unauthorized account of the government - which means the people who are involved in corruption in the government, who see it, who witness it, like Frank Snep did, like I did - if they try to go public they can now be punished in civil court. The government took $90,000 away from Frank Snep, his profits from his book, and they've seized the
profits from my own book....
[Reagan passed] the Intelligence Identities Protection act, which makes it a felony to write articles revealing the identities of secret agents or to write about their activities in a way that would reveal their identities. Now, what does this mean? In a debate in Congress - this is very controversial - the supporters of this bill made it clear.... If agents Smith and Jones came on this campus, in an MK-ultra-type experiment, and blew your fiance's head away with LSD, it would now be a felony to publish an article in your local paper saying, `watch out for these 2 turkeys, they're federal agents and they blew my loved one's head away with LSD'. It would not be a felony what they had done because that's national security and none of them were ever punished for those activities.
Efforts to muzzle government employees. President Reagan has been banging away at this one ever since. Proposing that every government employee, for the rest of his or her life, would have to submit anything they wrote to 6 committees of the government for censorship, for the rest of their lives. To keep the scandals from leaking out... to keep the American people from knowing what the government is really doing.
Then it starts getting heavy. The `Pre-emptive Strikes' bill. President Reagan, working through the Secretary of State Shultz... almost 2 years ago, submitted the bill that would provide them with the authority to strike at terrorists before terrorists can do their terrorism. But this bill... provides that they would be able to do this in this country as well as overseas. It provides that the secretary of state would put together a list of people that he considers to be terrorist, or terrorist supporters, or terrorist sympathizers. And if your name, or your organization, is put on this list, they could kick down your door and haul you away, or kill you, without any due process of the law and search warrants and trial by jury, and all of that, with impunity.
Now, there was a tremendous outcry on the part of jurists. The New York Times columns and other newspapers saying, `this is no different from Hitler's "night in fog" program', where the government had the authority to haul people off at night. And they did so by the thousands. And President Reagan and Secretary Shultz have persisted.... Shultz has said, `Yes, we will have to take action on the basis of information that would never stand up in a court. And yes, innocent people will have to be killed in the process. But, we must have this law because of the threat of international terrorism'.
Think a minute. What is `the threat of international terrorism'? These things catch a lot of attention. But how many Americans died in terrorist actions last year? According to Secretary Shultz, 79. Now, obviously that's terrible but we killed 55,000 people on our highways with drunken driving; we kill 2,500 people in far nastier, bloodier, mutilating, gang-raping ways in Nicaragua last year alone ourselves. Obviously 79 peoples' death is not enough reason to take away the protection of American citizens, of due process of the law.
But they're pressing for this. The special actions teams that will do the pre-emptive striking have already been created, and trained in the defense department.
They're building detention centers. There were 8 kept as mothballs under the McLaren act after World War II, to detain aliens and dissidents in the next war, as was done in the next war, as was done with the Japanese people during World War II. They're building 10 more, and army camps, and the... executive memos about these things say it's for aliens and dissidents in the next national emergency....
FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, headed by Loius Guiffrida, a friend of Ed Meese's.... He's going about the country lobbying and demanding that he be given authority, in the times of national emergency, to declare martial law, and establish a curfew, and gun down people who violate the curfew... in the United States.
And then there's Ed Meese, as I said. The highest law enforcement officer in the land, President Reagan's closest friend, going around telling us that the constitution never did guarantee freedom of speech and press, and due process of the law, and assembly.
What they are planning for this society, and this is why they're determined to take us into a war if we'll permit it... is the Reagan revolution.... So he's getting himself some laws so when he puts in
the troops in Nicaragua, he can take charge of the American people, and put people in jail, and kick in their doors, and kill them if they don't like what he's doing....
The question is, `Are we going to permit our leaders to take away our freedoms because they have a charming smile and they were nice movie stars one day, or are we going to stand up and fight, and insist on our freedoms?' It's up to us - you and I can watch this history play in the next year and 2 and 3 years.
I just got my latest book back from the CIA censors. If I had not submitted it to them, I would have gone to jail, without trial - blow off juries and all that sort of thing - for having violated our censorship laws....
In that job [Angola] I sat on a sub-committee of the NSC, so I was like a chief of staff, with the GS-18s (like 3-star generals) Henry Kissinger, Bill Colby (the CIA director), the GS-18s and the CIA, making important decisions and my job was to put it all together and make it happen and run it, an interesting place from which to watch a covert action being done....
When the world's gotten blocked up before, like a monopoly game where everything's owned and nobody can make any progress, the way they erased the board and started over has been to have big world wars, and erase countries and bomb cities and bomb banks and then start from scratch again. This is not an option to us now because of all these 52,000 nuclear weapons....
The United States CIA is running 50 covert actions, destabilizing further almost one third of the countries in the world today....
By the way, everything I'm sharing with you tonight is in the public record. The 50 covert actions - these are secret, but that has been leaked to us by members of the oversight committee of the Congress. I urge you not to take my word for anything. I'm going to stand here and tell you and give you examples of how our leaders lie. Obviously I could be lying. The only way you can figure it out for yourself is to educate yourselves. The French have a saying, `them that don't do politics will be done'. If you don't fill your mind eagerly with the truth, dig it out from the records, go and see for yourself, then your mind remains blank and your adrenaline pumps, and you can be mobilized and excited to do things that are not in your interest to do....
Nicaragua is not the biggest covert action, it is the most famous one. Afghanistan is, we spent several hundred million dollars in Afghanistan. We've spent somewhat less than that, but close, in Nicaragua....
[When the U.S. doesn't like a government], they send the CIA in, with its resources and activists, hiring people, hiring agents, to tear apart the social and economic fabric of the country, as a technique for putting pressure on the government, hoping that they can make the government come to the U.S.'s terms, or the government will collapse altogether and they can engineer a coup d'etat, and have the thing wind up with their own choice of people in power.
Now ripping apart the economic and social fabric of course is fairly textbook-ish. What we're talking about is going in and deliberately creating conditions where the farmer can't get his produce to market, where children can't go to school, where women are terrified inside their homes as well as outside their homes, where government administration and programs grind to a complete halt, where the hospitals are treating wounded people instead of sick people, where international capital is scared away and the country goes bankrupt. If you ask the state department today what is their official explanation of the purpose of the Contras, they say it's to attack economic targets, meaning, break up the economy of the country. Of course, they're attacking a lot more.
To destabilize Nicaragua beginning in 1981, we began funding this force of Somoza's ex-national guardsmen, calling them the contras (the counter-revolutionaries). We created this force, it did not exist until we allocated money. We've armed them, put uniforms on their backs, boots on their feet, given them camps in Honduras to live in, medical supplies, doctors, training, leadership, direction, as we've sent them in to de-stabilize Nicaragua. Under our direction they have systematically been blowing up graineries, saw mills, bridges, government offices, schools, health centers. They ambush trucks so the produce can't get to market. They raid farms and villages. The farmer has to carry a gun while he tries to plow, if he can plow at all.
If you want one example of hard proof of the CIA's involvement in this, and their approach to it, dig up `The Sabotage Manual', that they were circulating throughout Nicaragua, a comic-book type of a paper, with visual explanations of what you can do to bring a society to a halt, how you can gum up typewriters, what you can pour in a gas tank to burn up engines, what you can stuff in a sewage to stop up the sewage so it won't work, things you can do to make a society simply cease to function.
Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.
I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these
things to the children.
This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.
Read Contra Terror by Reed Brodie [1], former assistant Attorney General of New York State. Read The Contras by Dieter Eich. [4] Read With the Contras by Christopher Dickey. [2] This is a main-line journalist, down there on a grant with the Council on Foreign Relations, a slightly to the right of the middle of the road organization. He writes a book that sets a pox on both your houses, and then he accounts about going in on patrol with the contras, and describes their activities. Read Witness for Peace: What We have Seen and Heard. Read the Lawyer's Commission on Human Rights. Read The Violations of War on Both Sides by the Americas Watch. [15] And there are many, many more documentations of details, of names, of the incidents that have happened.
Part of a de-stabilization is propaganda, to dis-credit the targeted government. This one actually began under Jimmy Carter. He authorized the CIA to go in and try to make the Sandinistas look to be evil. So in 1979 [when] they came in to power, immediately we were trying to cast them as totalitarian, evil, threatening Marxists. While they abolished the death sentence, while they released 8,000 national guardsmen that they had in their custody that they could have kept in prison, they said `no. Unless we have evidence of individual crimes, we're not going to hold someone in prison just because they were associated with the former administration.' While they set out to launch a literacy campaign to teach the people to read and write, which is something that the dictator Somoza, and us supporting him, had never bothered to get around to doing. While they set out to build 2,500 clinics to give the country something resembling a public health policy, and access to medicines, we began to label them as totalitarian dictators, and to attack them in the press, and to work with this newspaper `La Prensa', which - it's finally come out and been admitted, in Washington - the U.S. government is funding: a propaganda arm.
[Reagan and the State dept. have] been claiming they're building a war machine that threatens the stability of Central America. Now the truth is, this small, poor country has been attacked by the world's richest country under conditions of war, for the last 5 years. Us and our army - the death they have sustained, the action they have suffered - it makes it a larger war proportionally than the Vietnam war was to the U.S. In addition to the contra activities, we've had U.S. Navy ships supervising the mining of harbors, we've sent planes in and bombed the capital, we've had U.S. military planes flying wing-tip to wing-tip over the country, photographing it, aerial reconnaissance. They don't have any missiles or jets they can send up to chase us off. We are at war with them. They have not retaliated yet with any kind of war action against us, but we do not give them credit with having the right to defend themselves. So we claim that the force they built up, which is obviously purely defensive, is an aggressive force that threatens the stability of all of Central America.
We claim the justification for this is the arms that are flowing from Nicaragua to El Salvador, and yet in 5 years of this activity, there is no evidence of any arms flowing from Nicaragua into El Salvador.
We launched a campaign to discredit their elections. International observer teams said these were the fairest elections they have witnessed in Central America in many years. We said they were fraudulent, they were rigged, because it was a totalitarian system. Instead we said, the elections that were held in El Salvador were models of democracy to be copied elsewhere in the world. And then the truth came out about that one. And we learned that the CIA had spent 2.2 million dollars to make sure that their choice of candidates - Duarte - would win. They did everything, we're told, by one of their spokesmen, indirectly, but stuff the ballot boxes....
I'll make a footnote that when I speak out, he [Senator Jesse Helmes] calls me a traitor, but when something happens he doesn't like, he doesn't hesitate to go public and reveal the secrets and embarrass the U.S.
We claim the Sandinistas are smuggling drugs as a technique to finance their revolution. This doesn't make sense. We're at war with them, we're dying to catch them getting arms from the Soviet Union, flying things back and forth to Cuba. We have airplanes and picket ships watching everything that flies out of that country, and into it. How are they going to have a steady flow of drug-smuggling planes into the U.S.? Not likely! However, there are Nicaraguans, on these bases in Honduras, that have planes flying into CIA training camps in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, several times a week.
Now, obviously i'm not going to stand in front of you and say that the CIA might be involved in drug trafficking, am I? READ THE BOOK. Read The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia. For 20 years the CIA was helping the Kuomantang to finance itself and then to get rich smuggling heroin. When we took over from the French in 1954 their intelligence service had been financing itself by smuggling the heroin out of Laos. We replaced them - we put Air America, the CIA subsidiary - it would fly in with crates marked humanitarian aid, which were arms, and it would fly back out with heroin. And the first target, market, of this heroin was the U.S. GI's in Vietnam. If anybody in Nicaragua is smuggling drugs, it's the contras. Now i've been saying that since the state department started waving this red herring around a couple of years ago, and the other day you notice President Reagan said that the Nicaraguans, the Sandinistas, were smuggling drugs, and the DEA said, `it ain't true, the contras are smuggling drugs'.
We claim the Sandinistas are responsible for the terrorism that's happening anywhere in the world. `The country club of terrorism' we call it. There's an incident in Rome, and Ed Meese goes on television and says, `that country club in Nicaragua is training terrorists'. We blame the Sandinistas for the misery that exists in Nicaragua today, and there is misery, because the world's richest nation has set out to create conditions of misery, and obviously we're bound to have some effect. The misery is not the fault of the Sandinistas, it's the result of our destabilization program. And despite that, and despite some grumbling in the country, the Sandinistas in their elections got a much higher percentage of the vote than President Reagan did, who's supposed to be so popular in this country. And all observers are saying that people are still hanging together, with the Sandinistas.
Now it gets tricky. We're saying that the justification for more aid, possibly for an invasion of the country - and mind you, president Reagan has begun to talk about this, and the Secretary of Defense Weinberger began to say that it's inevitable - we claim that the justification is that the Soviet Union now has invested 500 million dollars in arms in military to make it its big client state, the Soviet bastion in this hemisphere. And that's true. They do have a lot of arms in there now. But the question is, how did they get invited in? You have to ask yourself, what's the purpose of this destabilization program? For this I direct you back to the Newsweek article in Sept. 1981, where they announce the fact that the CIA was beginning to put together this force of Somoza's ex-guard. Newsweek described it as `the only truly evil, totally unacceptable factor in
the Nicaraguan equation'. They noted that neither the white house nor the CIA pretended it ever could have a chance of winning. So then they asked, rhetorically, `what's the point?' and they concluded that the point is that by attacking the country, you can force the Sandinistas into a more radical position, from which you have more ammunition to attack them.
And that's what we've accomplished now. They've had to get Soviet aid to defend themselves from the attack from the world's richest country, and now we can stand up to the American people and say, `see? they have all the Soviet aid'. Make no doubt of it, it's the game plan of the Reagan Administration to have a war in Nicaragua, they have been working on this since 1981, they have been stopped by the will of the American people so far, but they're working harder than ever to engineer their war there.
Now, CIA destabilizations are nothing new, they didn't begin with Nicaragua. We've done it before, once or twice. Like the Church committee, investigating CIA covert action in 1975, found that we had run several hundred a year, and we'd been in the business of running covert actions, the CIA has, for 4 decades. You're talking about 10 to 20 thousand covert actions.
CIA apologists leap up and say, `well, most of these things are not so bloody'. And that's true. You're giving a politician some money so he'll throw his party in this direction or that one, or make false speeches on your behalf, or something like that. It may be non-violent, but it's still illegal intervention in other countries' affairs, raising the question of whether or not we are going to have a
world in which law, rules of behaviour, are respected, or is it going to be a world of bullies, where the strongest can violate and brutalize the weakest, and ignore the laws?
But many of these things are very bloody indeed, and we know a lot about a lot of them. Investigations by the Congress, testimony by CIA directors, testimony by CIA case officers, books written by CIA case officers, documents gotten out of the government under the freedom of information act, books that are written by by pulitzer-prize-winning journalists who've documented their cases. And you can go and read from these things, classic CIA operations that we know about, some of them very bloody indeed. Guatemala 1954, Brazil, Guyana, Chile, the Congo, Iran, Panama, Peru, Bolivia, Equador, Uruguay - the CIA organized the overthrow of constitutional democracies. Read the book Covert Action: 35 years of Deception by the journalist Godswood. [6]
Remember the Henry Kissinger quote before the Congress when he was being grilled to explain what they had done to overthrow the democratic government in Chile, in which the President, Salvador Allende had been killed. And he said, `The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves'.
We had covert actions against China, very much like what we're doing against Nicaragua today, that led us directly into the Korean war, where we fought China in Korea. We had a long covert action in Vietnam, very much like the one that we're running in Nicaragua today, that tracked us directly into the Vietnam war. Read the book, The Hidden History of the Korean War by I. F. Stone. [14] Read Deadly Deceits by Ralph McGehee [9] for the Vietnam story. In Thailand, the Congo, Laos, Vietnam, Taiwan, and Honduras, the CIA put together large standing armies. In Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, the Congo, Iran, Nicaragua, and Sri Lanka, the CIA armed and encouraged ethnic minorities to rise up and fight. The first thing we began doing in Nicaragua, 1981 was to fund an element of the Mesquite indians, to give them money and training and arms, so they could rise up and fight against the government in Managua. In El Salvador, Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Uganda and the Congo, the CIA helped form and train the death
squads.
In El Salvador specifically, under the `Alliance for Progress' in the early 1960's, the CIA helped put together the treasury police. These are the people that haul people out at night today, and run trucks over their heads. These are the people that the Catholic church tells us, have killed something over 50,000 civilians in the last 5 years. And we have testimony before our Congress that as late as 1982, leaders of the treasury police were still on the CIA payroll.
Then you have the `Public Safety Program.' I have to take just a minute on this one because it's a very important principle involved that we must understand, if we're to understand ourselves and the world that we live in. In this one, the CIA was working with policeforces throughout Latin America for about 26 years, teaching them how to wrap up subversive networks by capturing someone and interrogating them, torturing them, and then getting names and arresting the others and going from there. Now, this was such a brutal and such a bloody operation, that Amnesty International began to complain and publish reports. Then there were United Nations hearings. Then eventually our Congress was forced to yield to international pressure and investigate it, and they found the horror that was being done, and by law they forced it to stop. You can read these reports -- the Amnesty International findings, and our own Congressional hearings.
These things kill people. 800,000 in Indonesia alone according to CIA's estimate, 12,000 in Nicaragua, 10,000 in the Angolan operation that I was sitting on in Washington, managing the task force. They add up. We'll never know how many people have been killed in them. Obviously a lot. Obviously at least a million. 800,000 in Indonesia alone. Undoubtedly the minimum figure has to be 3 million. Then you add in a million people killed in Korea, 2 million people killed in the Vietnam war, and you're obviously getting into gross millions of people...
We do not parachute teams into the Soviet Union to haul families out at night and castrate the father with the children watching, because they have the Bomb, and a big army, and they would parachute teams right back into our country and do the same thing to us - they're not scared of us. For slightly different reasons, but also obvious reasons, we don't do these things in England, or France, or Germany, or Sweden, or Italy, or Japan. What comes out at you immediately is that these 1 to 3 million direct victims, the dead, and in these other wars, they're people of the third world. They're people of the Metumba mountains of the Congo, and the jungles of Southeast Asia, and now the hills of northern Nicaragua - 12,000 peasants. We have not killed KGB or Russian army advisors in Nicaragua. We are not killing Cuban advisors. We're not killing very many Sandinistas. The 12,000 that we have killed in Nicaragua are peasants, who have the misfortune of living in a CIA's chosen battlefield. Mostly women and children. Communists? Far, far, far more Catholics than anything else.
Now case officers that do these things in places in Nicaragua, they do not come back to the U.S. and click their heels and suddenly become responsible citizens. They see themselves - they have been functioning above the laws, of God, and the laws of man - they've come back to this country, and they've continued their operations as far as they can get by with them. And we have abundant documentation of that as well. The MH-Chaos program, exposed in the late 60's and shut down, re-activated by President Reagan to a degree - we don't have the details yet - in which they were spending a billion dollars to manipulate U.S. student, and labor organizations. The MK-ultra program. For 20 years, working through over 200 medical schools and mental hospitals, including Harvard medical school, Georgetown, some of the biggest places we've got, to experiment on American citizens with disease, and drugs.
They dragged a barge through San Francisco bay, leaking a virus, to measure this technique for crippling a city. They launched a whooping cough epidemic in a Long Island suburb, to see what it would do to the community if all the kids had whooping cough. Tough shit about the 2 or 3 with weak constitutions that might die in the process. They put light bulbs in the subways in Manhattan, that would create vertigo - make people have double vision, so you couldn't see straight - and hid
cameras in the walls - to see what would happen at rush hour when the trains are zipping past - if everybody has vertigo and they can't see straight and they're bumping into each other.
Colonel White - oh yes, and I can't not mention the disease experimentations - the use of deadly diseases. We launched - when we were destabilizing Cuba for 7 years - we launched the swine fever epidemic, in the hog population, trying to kill out all of the pigs - a virus. We experimented in Haiti on the people with viruses.
I'm not saying, I do not have the slightest shred of evidence, that there is any truth or indication to the rumor that the CIA and its experimentations were responsible for AIDS. But we do have it documented that the CIA has been experimenting on people, with viruses. And now we have some deadly, killer viruses running around in society. And it has to make you wonder, and it has to make you worry.
Colonel White wrote from retirement - he was the man who was in charge of this macabre program - he wrote, `I toiled whole-heartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the blessings of the all highest?' Now that program, the MK-ultra program, was eventually exposed by the press in 1972, investigated by the Congress, and shut down by the Congress. You can dig up the Congressional record and read it for yourself.
There's one book called `In Search of the Manchurian Candidate'. It's written by John Marks, based on 14,000 documents gotten out of the government under the Freedom of Information Act. Read for yourselves. The thing was shut down but not one CIA case officer who was involved was in any way punished. Not one case officer involved in these experimentations on the American public, lost a single paycheck for what they had done.
The Church committee found that the CIA had co-opted several hundred journalists, including some of the biggest names in the business. The latest flap or scandal we had about that was a year and a half ago. Lesley Gelb, the heavyweight with the New York Times, was exposed for having
been working covertly with the CIA in 1978 to recruit journalists in Europe, who would introduce stories, print stories that would create sympathy for the neutron bomb.
The Church committee found that they had published over 1,000 books, paying someone to write a book, the CIA puts its propaganda lines in it, the professor or the scholar gets credit for the book and gets the royalties. The latest flap we had about that was last year. A professor at Harvard was exposed for accepting 105,000 dollars from the CIA to write a book about the Middle East. Several thousand professors and graduate students co-opted by the CIA to run its operations on campuses and build files on students.
And then we have evidence - now, which has been hard to collect in the past but we knew it was happening - of CIA agents participating, trying to manipulate, our elections. FDN, Contra commanders, traveling this country on CIA plane tickets, going on television and pin-pointing a Congressional and saying, `That man is soft on Communism. That man is a Sandinista lover.' A CIA agent going on television, trying to manipulate our elections.
All of this, to keep America safe for freedom and democracy.
In Nicaragua the objective is to stop the Cuban and Soviet take-over, we say. Another big operation in which we said the same thing was Angola, 1975, my little war. We were saying exactly the same thing - Cubans and Soviets.
Now I will not going into great detail about this one tonight because I wrote a book about it, I detailed it. And you can get a copy of that book and read it for yourselves. I have to urge you, however - please do not rush out and buy a copy of that book because the CIA sued me. All of my profits go to the CIA, so if you buy a copy of the book you'll be donating 65 cents to the CIA. So check it out from your library!
If you have to buy a copy, well buy one copy and share it with all your friends. If your bookstore is doing real well and you want to just sort of put a copy down in your belt...
I don't know what the solution is when a society gets into censorship, government censorship, but that's what we're in now. Do the rules change? I just got my book back, my latest book back from the CIA censors. If I had not submitted it to them, I would have gone to jail, without trial - blow off juries and all that sort of thing - for having violated our censorship laws....
So now we have the CIA running the operation in Nicaragua, lying to us, running 50 covert actions, and gearing us up for our next war, the Central American war. Let there be no doubt about it, President Reagan has a fixation on Nicaragua. He came into office saying that we shouldn't be afraid of war, saying we have to face and erase the scars of the Vietnam war. He said in 1983, `We will do whatever is necessary to defeat the Sandinistas. Admiral LaRoque, at the Center for Defense Information in Washington, says this is the most elaborately prepared invasion that the U.S. has ever done. At least that he's witnessed in his 40 years of association with our military.
We have rehearsed the invasion of Nicaragua in operations Big Pine I, Big Pine II, Ocean Venture, Grenada, Big Pine III. We have troops right now in Honduras preparing. We've built 12 bases, including 8 airstrips. Obviously we don't need 8 airstrips in Honduras for any purpose, except to support the invasion of Nicaragua. We've built radar stations around, to survey and watch. Some of these ventures have been huge ones. Hundreds of airplanes, 30,000 troops, rehearsing
the invasion of Nicaragua.
And of course, Americans are being given this negative view of these evil Communist dictators in Managua, just two days drive from Harlington, Texas. (They drive faster than I do by the way). I saw an ad on TV just two days ago in which they said that it was just two hours from Managua to Texas. All of this getting us ready for the invasion of Nicaragua, for our next war.
Most of the people - 75% of the people - are polled as being against this action. However, President Eisenhower said, `The people of the world genuinely want peace. Someday the leadership of the world are going to have to give in and give it to them'. But to date, the leaders never have, they've always been able to outwit the people, us, and get us into the wars when they've chosen to do so.
People ask, how is this possible? I get this all the time.... Americans are decent people. They are nice people. And they're insulated in the worlds that they live in, and they don't understand
and we don't read our history. History is the history of war. Of leaders of countries finding reasons and rationales to send the young men off to fight.
In our country we talk about peace. But look at our own record. We have over 200 incidents in which we put our troops into other countries to force them to our will. Now we're being prepared to hate the Sandinistas. The leaders are doing exactly what they have done time and again throughout history. In the past we were taught to hate and fight the Seminole Indians, after the leaders decided to annex Florida. To hate and fight the Cherokee Indians after they found gold
in Georgia. To hate and fight Mexico twice. We annexed Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, part of Colorado, and California.
In each of these wars the leaders have worked to organize, to orchestrate public opinion. And then when they got people worked up, they had a trigger that would flash, that would make people angry enough that we could go in and do....
We have a feeling that the Vietnam war was the first one in which the people resisted. But once again, we haven't read our history. Kate Richards-O'Hare. In 1915, she said about WW I, `The Women of the U.S. are nothing but brutesalles, producing sons to be put in the army, to be made into fertilizer'. She was jailed for 5 years for anti-war talk.
The lessons of the Vietnam war for the American people is that it was a tragic mistake.... 58,000 of our own young people were killed, 2 million Vietnamese were killed. We withdrew, and our position wound up actually stronger in the Pacific basin.
You look around this society today to see if there's any evidence of our preparations for war, and it hits you in the face....
'Join the Army. Be all that you can be'. Now if there was truth in advertising, obviously those commercials would show a few seconds of young men with their legs blown off at the knees, young men with their intestines wrapped around their necks because that's what war is really all about.
If there was honesty on the part of the army and the government, they would tell about the Vietnam veterans. More of whom died violent deaths from suicide after they came back from Vietnam then died in the fighting itself.
Then you have President Reagan.... He talks about the glory of war, but you have to ask yourself, where was he when wars were being fought that he was young enough to fight in them? World War II, and the Korean war. Where he was was in Hollywood, making films, where the blood was catsup, and you could wash it off and go out to dinner afterwards....
Where was Gordon Liddy when he was young enough to go and fight in a war? He was hiding out in the U.S. running sloppy, illegal, un-professional breaking and entering operations. Now you'll forgive my egotism, at that time I was running professional breaking and entering operations....
What about Rambo himself? Sylvester Stallone. Where was Sylvester Stallone during the Vietnam war? He got a draft deferment for a physical disability, and taught physical education in a girls' school in Switzerland during the war.
Getting back to President Reagan. He really did say that `you can always call cruise missiles back'.... Now, you can call back a B-52, and you can call back a submarine, but a cruise missile is different.... When it lands, it goes boom!. And I would prefer that the man with the finger on the button could understand the difference. This is the man that calls the MX a peace-maker. This is the man who's gone on television and told us that nuclear war could be winnable. This is the man who's gone on television and proposed that we might want to drop demonstration [atom] bombs in Europe to show people that we're serious people. This is the man who likens the Contras to the moral equivalents of our own founding fathers. This is the man who says South Africa is making progress on racial equality. This is the man who says that the Sandinistas are hunting down and hounding and persecuting Jews in Nicaragua. And the Jewish leaders go on TV the next day in this country and say there are 5 Jewish families in Nicaragua, and they're not having any problems at all. This is the man who says that they're financing their revolution by smuggling drugs into the U.S. And the DEA says, `It ain't true, it's president Reagan's Contras that are doing it'....
[When Reagan was governor of California, Reagan] said `If there has to be a bloodbath then let's get it over with'. Now you have to think about this a minute. A leader of the U.S. seriously proposing a bloodbath of our own youth. There was an outcry of the press, so 3 days later he said it again to make sure no one had misunderstood him.
Read. You have to read to inform yourselves. Read The Book of Quotes [12]. Read On Reagan: The Man and the Presidency [3] by Ronnie Dugger. It gets heavy. Dugger concludes in his last chapter that President Reagan has a fixation on Armageddon. The Village Voice 18 months ago published an article citing the 11 times that President Reagan publicly has talked about the fact that we are all living out Armageddon today....
[Reagan] has Jerry Falwell into the White House. This is the man that preaches that we should get on our knees and beg for God to send the rapture down. Hell's fires on earth so the chosen can go up on high and all the other people can burn in hell's fires on earth. President Reagan sees himself as playing the role of the greatest leader of all times forever. Leading us into Armageddon. As he goes out at the end of his long life, we'll all go out with him....
Why does the CIA run 10,000 brutal covert actions? Why are we destabilizing a third of the countries in the world today when there's so much instability and misery already?
What you have to understand is the politics of paranoia. The easiest... buttons to punch are the buttons of macho, aggression, paranoia, hate, anger, and fear. The Communists are in Managua and that's just 2 hours from San Diego, CA. This gets people excited, they don't think. It's the pep-rally, the football pep-rally factor. When you get people worked up to hate, they'll let you spend huge amounts of money on arms.
Read The Power Elite by C. Wright Mills. [11] Read The Permanent War Complex by Seymour Melman. [10] CIA covert actions have the function of keeping the world hostile and unstable....
We can't take care of the poor, we can't take care of the old, but we can spend millions, hundreds of millions of dollars to destabilize Nicaragua....
Why arms instead of schools? .... They can make gigantic profits off the nuclear arms race because of the hysteria, and the paranoia, and the secrecy. And that's why they're committed to building more and more and more weapons, is because they're committed to making a profit. And that's what the propaganda, and that's what the hysteria is all about. Now people say, `What can I do?'....
The youth did rise up and stop the Vietnam war....
We have to join hands with the people in England, and France, and Germany, and Israel, and the Soviet Union, and China, and India - the countries that have the bomb, and the others that are trying to get it. And give our leaders no choice. They have to find some other way to do business other than to motivate us through hate and paranoia and anger and killing, or we'll find other leaders to run the country.
Now, Helen Caldicott, at the end of her lectures, I've heard her say, very effectively, `Tell people to get out and get to work on the problem.... You'll feel better'....
'What can I do?'.... If you can travel, go to Nicaragua and see for yourself. Go to the Nevada test site and see for yourself. Go to Pantex on Hiroshima day this summer, and see the vigil there. The place where we make 10 nose-cones a day, 70 a week, year in and year out. He [Admiral LaRock] said, `I'd tell them, if they feel comfortable lying down in front of trucks with bombs on them, to lie down in front of trucks with bombs on them.' But he said, `I'd tell them that they can't wait. They've got to start tomorrow, today, and do it, what they can, every day of their lives'.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm
knuppeltje
17-11-09, 15:43
Jij krijgt hier zeker per letter betaald? :fpimp:
Jij krijgt hier zeker per letter betaald? :fpimp:
Achje, lappen en lappen tekst -- wat het met de originele discussie van doen heeft is me meer dan enigszins onduidelijk.
Zoals ik al ergens anders schreef -- I smell troll.
no one can stop that, West or no West = just a matter of time then
Tuurlijk kan de islam wel gestopt worden in het Westen! Leve Wilders en consorten.
Achje, lappen en lappen tekst -- wat het met de originele discussie van doen heeft is me meer dan enigszins onduidelijk.
Zoals ik al ergens anders schreef -- I smell troll.
Lees de tekst en probeer dan een inhoudelijke reaktie te geven aub.
Lees de tekst en probeer dan een inhoudelijke reaktie te geven aub.
A lecture given in October, 1987
Een terugblik op de Koude Oorlog, die onder andere als een 'war by proxy' werd gevoerd. Met de botte bijl. In Korea, Vietnam,Indonesie, Angola, Chili, Nicaragua.. noem maar op. Geen geschiedenis om vrolijk van te worden.
Om een oorzakelijk verband met Arabische autocratie in de 21ste eeuw te zien, moet je wel over heel veel fantasie beschikken.
Overbodige fantasie; de Arabische wereld wordt al sinds het kalifaat van Damascus autocratisch geregeerd. Ooit zelfs niet eens zo slecht; dat is lang, te lang, geleden.
Nieuwe ideën zijn gevraagd. Geen klaagzangen.
Lees de tekst en probeer dan een inhoudelijke reaktie te geven aub.
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Het waren de woorden van Abrahan Lincoln.
Een kniesoor die erop let.
Daar wordt sterk aan getwijfeld. Men denkt tegenwoordig dat het een uitspraak is geweest van P.T.Barnum.
It may be apochryphal. Supposedly Lincoln said this in a speech in 1858 in Clinton, Ill. However, it is not found in any of his works, speeches or in any newspaper reports of the time. It is attributed to people who think they heard it from him. Lincoln scholars dismiss it.
Source: Ralph Keyes, Nice Guys Finish Seventh, p. 95-96.
http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=823&sid=ebee44f61a4071007a693f784b1b6ee5
A final variation was advanced in the 1920s. Hoyt’s New Cyclopedia of Practical Quotations, revised by KateLouise Roberts in 1922, attributes the quote to Phineas Taylor Barnum, the great nineteenth-century showman. An entry note in part reads “Attributed to Lincoln but denied by Spofford.”Harriet Elizabeth Prescott Spofford was a popular writer of fiction and poetry who wrote for popular magazines such as the Atlantic Monthly and Harper’s Bazaar. Two years followingthe publication of Hoyt’s, Mrs. Mida McGillicuddy, described by the International News Service as a “Dallas historian,” repeated the claim that the showman P. T. Barnum actually coined the phrase and Abraham Lincoln merely quoted Barnum in Clinton
A Newsletter of the Abraham Lincoln Association. Volume 5, Number 4, 2003
Daar wordt sterk aan getwijfeld. ()Newsletter of the Abraham Lincoln Association. Volume 5, Number 4, 2003
:) De levenden bekogelen elkaar met de schedels van de doden.
Die is van Multatuli, dat weet ik zeker.
Ik weet niet of Allah daar dan nog wel zin in heeft, tis tenslotte alles bij elkaar maar een goddeloos zooitje daar, en het wordt met de dag alleen maar erger. :fpimp:ook al doet men alsof ze zo gelovig en vroom zijn.
A lecture given in October, 1987
Een terugblik op de Koude Oorlog, die onder andere als een 'war by proxy' werd gevoerd. Met de botte bijl. In Korea, Vietnam,Indonesie, Angola, Chili, Nicaragua.. noem maar op. Geen geschiedenis om vrolijk van te worden.
Om een oorzakelijk verband met Arabische autocratie in de 21ste eeuw te zien, moet je wel over heel veel fantasie beschikken.
Overbodige fantasie; de Arabische wereld wordt al sinds het kalifaat van Damascus autocratisch geregeerd. Ooit zelfs niet eens zo slecht; dat is lang, te lang, geleden.
Nieuwe ideën zijn gevraagd. Geen klaagzangen.En het achterlopen op de rest van de wereld verwijten aan het westen,
want waarom heeft het westen grote delen van de wereld wel democratisch laten worden dan?
Sharp Shooter
17-11-09, 18:28
k weet niet of Allah daar dan nog wel zin in heeft, tis tenslotte alles bij elkaar maar een goddeloos zooitje daar, en het wordt met de dag alleen maar erger.
ook al doet men alsof ze zo gelovig en vroom zijn.
Ik zie dat jullie akkoord gaan met de Koran "Surely Allah changes not the condition of a people until they change themselves"(Quran 13:11).
A lecture given in October, 1987
Een terugblik op de Koude Oorlog, die onder andere als een 'war by proxy' werd gevoerd. Met de botte bijl. In Korea, Vietnam,Indonesie, Angola, Chili, Nicaragua.. noem maar op. Geen geschiedenis om vrolijk van te worden.
Om een oorzakelijk verband met Arabische autocratie in de 21ste eeuw te zien, moet je wel over heel veel fantasie beschikken.
Overbodige fantasie; de Arabische wereld wordt al sinds het kalifaat van Damascus autocratisch geregeerd. Ooit zelfs niet eens zo slecht; dat is lang, te lang, geleden.
Nieuwe ideën zijn gevraagd. Geen klaagzangen.
Daar heb je geen fantasie voor nodig. Aan het einde van de Koude Oorlog heeft het westen een nieuwe vijand gecreerd. Francis Fukuyama met zijn boek The End of History and the Last Man en Samuel Huntington met zijn boek The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order zijn een voorbeeld hoe het westen reikhalsend uitkijkt naar nieuwe vijanden.
Tussen de kolonisatie van de arabische wereld en nu zijn vrijwel alle initiatieven en nieuwe ideeen van de islamitische burgers met harde hand door het westen onderdrukt, danwel door de puppets van het westen. Het moorden in de derde wereld door bemoeinis van de westerse landen gaat trouwens gewoon door.
Dit is geen klaagzang, maar een analyse.
:) De levenden bekogelen elkaar met de schedels van de doden.
Die is van Multatuli, dat weet ik zeker.
Dat is niet mijn intentie, mij gaat het om de vaststelling van de feiten.
Dit is geen klaagzang, maar een analyse.
Nope. Het is geen analyse. Het is een karikaturale, eenzijdige, zwart-wit voorstelling van zaken. Die vervolgens als basis dient voor je klaagzang.Al jarenlang.
Dat is niet mijn intentie, mij gaat het om de vaststelling van de feiten.
Nee, daar gaat het je niet om.
Nope. Het is geen analyse. Het is een karikaturale, eenzijdige, zwart-wit voorstelling van zaken. Die vervolgens als basis dient voor je klaagzang.Al jarenlang.
Nee, daar gaat het je niet om.
Graag alleen inhoudelijke kritiek wat met het onderwerp te maken heeft.
Ik zie dat jullie akkoord gaan met de Koran "Surely Allah changes not the condition of a people until they change themselves"(Quran 13:11).
Geen bezwaar.
'God jout de fûgels iten, mar se moatte der sels om fleane' .
Dat is niet mijn intentie, mij gaat het om de vaststelling van de feiten.
Welnee, daar gaat het je niet om, Bob Marley :hihi:
.
Graag alleen inhoudelijke kritiek wat met het onderwerp te maken heeft.
Dit is inhoudelijke kritiek. Je bedoelt: mij niet tegenspreken aub.
Winst islamisten in Egypte is westers dilemma
COLUMN, Ferry Biedermann op 23 november '05, 00:00, bijgewerkt 15 januari '09, 16:54
De enorme sprong voorwaarts van de fundamentalistische Moslim Broederschap bij de parlementsverkiezingen in Egypte toont opnieuw aan dat als de deur ook maar op een kier gaat, streng-religieuze partijen de overhand hebben in de Arabische wereld. De reactie van de regeringspartij is eveneens typisch: de autocratische, in naam seculiere heersers proberen desnoods met geweld en onderdrukking de fundamentalistische invloed te beperken.
De electorale kracht van de religieuze partijen die keer op keer is bewezen, van Algerije tot de Palestijnse gebieden tot Irak, vormt een van de grootste uitdagingen voor de van buitenaf aangemoedigde democratisering van de Arabische wereld. Commentatoren uit de regio wijzen er met leedvermaak op dat als George Bush zo graag het Midden-Oosten wil democratiseren, hij er rekening mee moet houden dat juist zijn grootste vijanden gekozen zullen worden.
De Moslim Broederschap in Egypte en in andere Arabische landen presenteert zich al enige tijd als het acceptabele gezicht van het islamitisch politiek activisme. In tegenstelling tot sommige andere fundamentalistische groepen in Egypte heeft de beweging al jaren geleden openlijk het geweld afgezworen.
Maar dat betekent niet dat het sterk anti-westerse gedachtegoed, een basisprincipe van de Broederschap, is afgezwakt. Ook kiezen veel Broeders voor radicalere fundamentalistische groeperingen en zijn de grenzen met de diverse facties die wel geweld plegen, niet altijd even duidelijk.
Een overname van een Arabisch land door de Moslim Broeders wordt dus in het Westen niet wenselijk geacht. Zeker voor de Amerikanen, die Egypte met miljarden dollars aan militaire en civiele hulp steunen, zou het een probleem zijn. Maar ook de Europese landen zijn niet gebrand op een fundamentalistisch bruggenhoofd in de regio, zoals in Algerije bleek in de jaren negentig, toen niemand zich echt druk maakte over de regeringscampagne tegen het Islamitische Reddingsfront.
De regeringen in het Midden-Oosten maken gretig gebruik van westerse angst voor het fundamentalisme. Overal geven de autoritaire regimes het buitenland de keuze: wat hebben jullie liever, ons of de fundamentalisten?
Zelfs in Syrië, dat in een confrontatie met de internationale gemeenschap is verwikkeld, probeert de regering verdere druk en mogelijke interventie af te wenden door zich als het enige alternatief voor de Broederschap te presenteren. De beweging is daar verboden en wordt ernstig onderdrukt, de autoriteiten ontkennen het bestaan van een georganiseerde fundamentalistische oppositie, behalve wanneer ze de beweging nodig hebben om het buitenland schrik aan te jagen.
De seculiere, progressieve delen van de bevolking hebben ook zeer gemengde gevoelens over de Broeders. Vaak wordt ontkend dat ze een echte bedreiging vormen. 'Onze Broeders zijn niet radicaal', vertelde een Syrische intellectueel onlangs.
Veel andere intellectuelen zijn doodsbenauwd voor de fundamentalisten. Een Syrische activist zei onlangs dat hij door de regering of anders door de fundamentalisten omgebracht zou worden als hij in het land bleef. Hij is een voormalige fundamentalist en weet waar hij het over heeft.
In Egypte heerst de angst voor de fundamentalisten ook sterk onder de op het Westen georiënteerde elite. 'Jullie zijn gek', viel een functionaris van de NDP-partij van president Mubarak onlangs uit. 'Jullie hebben het over de rechten van de fundamentalisten, maar als ze aan de macht komen, is dat het einde van mensen zoals ik, en zijn het jullie grootste vijanden.'
De balans lijkt moeilijk te vinden tussen het aanmoedigen van democratie en respect voor de mensenrechten, en het besef dat een fundamentalistische dominantie kan ingaan tegen de zo gewenste democratisering van de maatschappij. Veel Arabische regimes spelen daarop in door in te stemmen met hervormingen, maar die op de lange baan te schuiven, 'omdat de bevolking in de democratie geschoold moet worden'.
Het Westen kijkt met verlangen uit naar de 'gematigde islam', die hopelijk bedreven wordt door de zwijgende meerderheid in het Midden-Oosten. Door niet-gewelddadige fundamentalistische groepen als de Broederschap bij het politieke proces te betrekken, zou die gematigde islam meer ruimte en legitimiteit krijgen. Ook zouden bewegingen als de Moslim Broederschap omgevormd kunnen worden, naar Turks model, in een soort islamitisch-democratische partijen, vergelijkbaar met de christen-democraten bij ons.
Dat is momenteel niet meer dan een vrome hoop en in Egypte blijkt opnieuw dat de bevolking niet zit te wachten op het soort islam dat de buitenwereld het beste uitkomt.
Phoney war on terror
Philip Rees
Published 05 February 2007
Observations on intelligence
If you hear on the radio that an "intelligence-led" operation had resulted in arrests, you might feel reassured. Yet the invasion of Iraq, the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes and the storming of a house in Forest Gate in London last August were all "intelligence-led".
The quality and sources of intelligence became a critical issue during my examination of the fate of the Belmarsh 12 for Dispatches. These were terror suspects rounded up after 9/11, who could not be deported because their country of origin practised torture. They were presented as Bin Laden's "terrorist cell" in Britain - the public symbol of Britain's counter-terrorism strategy, as well as the central characters in a mammoth legal drama surrounding the government's right to detain suspects indefinitely without trial.
The House of Lords eventually declared their detention a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. They have never been before a jury nor heard the evidence against them. Now they are being sent to their homeland or placed under house arrest.
While the men were accused of ties to al-Qaeda, they were also linked to the GIA, the murderous organisation that wrought havoc in Algeria in the 1990s. Nine of the Belmarsh 12 are believed to be of North African origin, but even those from elsewhere were accused of involvement in the GIA. Algerians were also implicated in "terror plots" in 2002 that never materialised, involving poison gas on the underground, a ricin factory in London and attempts to attack a "high-profile target" in Edinburgh.
Now information is emerging that the GIA was in fact a construct of the Algerian regime, in particular of its intelligence agency, the DRS. A growing number of former army officers, diplomats and spies accuse the regime of complicity in the murder and disappearance of tens of thousands of Algerian citizens in the 1990s: 250,000 died during that bloody decade but no one from Algeria is being charged with war crimes.
No international body and no foreign journalists have been allowed access to find out what really happened. And, because Algeria's military rulers have become their close ally in the "war on terror", western governments are not asking awkward questions.
Mohamed Samraoui is a dapper man in his fifties, living in hiding in Europe. He spent 22 years in the DRS and says he left after refusing to murder a prominent Algerian dissident in Germany in 1996. The former spy told me that five days after 9/11, Britain was handed a dossier naming 1,800 "terror suspects" from North Africa living in the west.
Were these men a threat to Britain? He laughs. "The names on that list were not wanted terrorists. They were opponents of the regime who had sought asylum in the west." MI5 was "naive and stupid" to swallow information from their Algerian counterparts, he added. The dossier was handed over so that the generals, who hold the reins of power, are not held to account for the massacres they ordered in the 1990s.
No wonder the government is increasing the remit of secret hearings. When intelligence is turned into evidence and brought before a jury, 12 good men might be swayed by witnesses such as the Colonel Samraoui.
Mohamed Samraoui
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mohamed Samraoui (born 1953) is a former member of the Algerian secret services (Intelligence and Security Directorate, DRS) who wrote a book claiming that the DRS had been involved in torture and extralegal killings, and had manipulated the Armed Islamic Groups on a large scale to commit further massacres.
He joined the Algerian army in July 1974. After studying biochemistry and going through officer training, he became an instructor at a Military Security school (Sécurité Militaire, the army's secret service) at Beni-Messous, and rose through the SM's ranks, moving to various towns as his postings changed. From March 1990 to July 1992, he worked in Algiers in the counterespionage bureau, as well as becoming part of the state of emergency administration from 1991 on. In 1992, he asked to resign, but was not permitted to do so; instead, he accepted a posting to the Algerian embassy in Germany as military attaché and advisor, eventually reaching the position of Lt. Colonel in the DRS. In 1995, he reports that he was asked by Smaine Lamari to assassinate two FIS leaders abroad, Abdelbaki Sahraoui and Rabah Kebir. On 12 February 1996, he left his post and sought political asylum in Germany. In 2003, he published a book, Chronique des années de sang, attributing a variety of misdeeds, including the majority of the assassinations and massacres attributed to Islamists, to the Algerian secret services in the course of the Algerian Civil War.
On the 22nd October 2007 Samraoui was arrested by Spanish police whilst attending a meeting in the town of Benalmádena in Southern Spain. It is believed that the arrest was in response to a request from Interpol that had come from the Algerian authorities. Samraoui is currently under conditional release in Spain awaiting the outcome of the extradition request presented by the Algerian authorities. He was not allowed to return to his home and family in Germany whilst this request was being dealt with by the Spanish judicial system. However, in early December 2007 Samraoui decided to return to Germany claiming that he had been warned that he could be in danger if he remained in Spain.
He is the President of International Correspondence Chess Federation[1].
Waarheidsvinding bij aanslagen is ook van groot belang omdat terroristische aanslagen vaak de loop van de geschiedenis ingrijpend bepalen. Neem de aanslagen op de metro van Parijs in 1995. Tot voor kort werd er niet aangetwijfeld dat de GIA (Groupe Islamique Armé) uit Algerije hoofdverantwoordelijk was. Maar wie zijn de GIA eigenlijk?
Twee gedetailleerde verslagen met informatie van voormalig leden van de Algerijnse geheime dienst en Algerijnse buitenlandse militaire attachés, Chronique des Annees de Sang van Mohammed Samraoui en Françalgerie: Crimes et Mensoges d’etats van Lounis Aggoun en Jean-Baptiste Rivoire laten zien dat de GIA eigenlijk volledig door de Algerijnse geheime dienst was geïnfiltreerd en door hen werd geleid. Deze auteurs tonen aan dat de aanslagen in Frankrijk zelfs een volledig Algerijnse operatie waren, die werden uitgevoerd met medeweten van de Franse overheid. Onschuldige burgers werden hiervan het slachtoffer.
Uitpers nummer 69
Affaire Ben Barka. De perfecte politieke moord onder veertig jaar stof bedolven
door Wim De Neuter
Half één, vrijdag 29 oktober 1965. De Marokkaanse oppositieleider Mehdi Ben Barka heeft in Parijs een afspraak in Brasserie Lipp op de Boulevard Saint-Germain. Figon, een filmproducent (in werkelijkheid een man uit het misdaadmilieu en agent secret), heeft de ontmoeting geregeld. Hij wil samen met cineast Georges Franju en journalist Philippe Bernier praten over een documentaire over de dekolonisatie.
In Afrika en Azië gaan op dat ogenblik nog heel wat landen gebukt onder het Europese koloniale juk. De apartheid in Zuid-Afrika en het racistische bewind in Rhodesië zijn nog springlevend. In Angola, Guinée-Bissau, de Kaapverdische Eilanden en Mozambique zwaaien de Portugezen de plak. ‘Basta!’, zo zal de film heten, waarvoor Figon met Ben Barka wil samenwerken. De prent moet klaar zijn tegen januari 1966 voor de Tricontinentale Conferentie in Havana. De ontmoeting in Brasserie Lipp blijkt een valstrik. Ben Barka wordt ontvoerd en verdwijnt van de aardbodem.
Op de stoep voor Brasserie Lipp wordt Ben Barka aangesproken door Louis Souchon en Roger Voitot, twee agenten van de anti-drugbrigade. Ze tonen hem hun politiepenning. Ben Barka stapt, zonder zich al te veel zorgen te maken, in hun Peugeot 403. De dag erop zou hij immers een onderhoud hebben met de Franse president Charles de Gaulle. Frankrijk heeft drie jaar voordien het koloniale avontuur in Algerije roemloos afgesloten en de Franse president wil met zijn Marokkaanse gast wel eens praten over diens activiteiten en contacten in Afrika en de rest van de Derde Wereld. De agenten Souchon en Voitot spiegelen Ben Barka voor dat er nog een en ander moet worden geregeld voor zijn bezoek aan het presidentiële paleis. Aan boord van de Peugeot 403 zitten echter twee heren van de Franse geheime dienst SDECE: geheimagent Lopez en zijn kompaan Le Ny, een gangster pur sang. De auto verlaat Parijs richting Fontenay-le-Vicomte. Daar wordt Ben Barka afgeleverd in de villa van Georges Boucheseiche, een notoir onderwereldfiguur, barbouze en tijdens de nazi-bezetting medewerker van de Gestapo. Boucheseiche heeft nauwe banden met generaal Mohamed Oufkir, de sterke man van de dictatoriale monarchie van Hassan II. Dankzij Oufkir is Boucheseiche de uitbater van een reeks lucratieve bordelen in Casablanca.
Oufkir en zijn rechterhand, commandant Ahmed Dlimi hebben de ontvoering van Ben Barka tot in het kleinste detail gepland. (Beide verdwijnen in de jaren zeventig van het toneel na een mislukte putsch tegen Hassan II). Maandenlang hebben ze Ben Barka gevolgd. Ze hebben zich verzekerd van de logistieke steun van de Franse, Amerikaanse en Israëlische geheime diensten. De operatie verloopt volgens het boekje. Enkele uren na de ontvoering, duiken Oufkir en Dlimi in de villa in Fontenay-le-Vicomte op. Ze folteren en vermoorden Ben Barka.
‘Staatsgeheim’
Veertig jaar na datum blijft de moord op Mehdi Ben Barka absoluut staatsgeheim. Vrienden en familieleden hebben al die jaren tevergeefs gepoogd toegang te krijgen tot de dossiers. In de Verenigde Staten beroept Bachir Ben Barka, de zoon het slachtoffer, zich op de Freedom of Information Act. Deze wet verplicht de overheid bepaalde dossiers vrij te geven over geheime operaties van de CIA en andere VS-instanties. De CIA blijkt over een dossier Ben Barka te beschikken met niet minder dan duizend achthonderd documenten van vier tot vijf pagina’s elk. Bachir Ben Barka mag ze niet inkijken. Ook in Frankrijk blijft hij aankloppen. Ook tijdens het presidentschap van de socialist François Mitterrand levert dat niets op. Socialistische premiers als Pierre Mauroy, Laurent Fabius en Lionel Jospin weigeren hem toegang te verlenen tot de geheime archieven. Het "staatsgeheim" heeft in Frankrijk al die jaren het gerechtelijk onderzoek naar de moord op Ben Barka geblokkeerd. In 1981 komt er even een kentering. De socialist François Mitterrand wint de presidentsverkiezingen. In 1982 geeft de socialistische premier Pierre Mauroy opdracht aan de leiding van de DGESE (de opvolger van de SDECE, die direct betrokken was bij de ontvoering en de moord op Ben Barka) om het dossier aan een onderzoeksrechter te overhandigen. Voor de familie Ben Barka een sprankeltje hoop. Drieëntwintig jaar later stelt Bachir Ben Barka vast dat slechts één derde van de dossierstukken bij de rechter zijn terechtgekomen. "De resterende twee derde of tweehonderd zeventig stukken dragen het stempel ‘staatsgeheim’ en blijven voor de rechter en voor ons, de burgerlijke partij gesloten," zo stelt hij verbitterd vast.
De Marokkaanse monarchie volgt uiteraard het voorbeeld van de Amerikaanse en Franse grote broers. Het dossier Ben Barka verdwijnt onder het stof in de staatsarchieven.
In 2004 kondigde de Marokkaanse koning Mohammed VI de oprichting aan van de IER (Instance Equité et Reconciliation – Instantie voor Rechtvaardigheid en Verzoening). De IER zou de misdaden tegen de mensheid onderzoeken, die onder het bewind van Hassan II in Marokko zijn begaan. De affaire Ben Barka – zo werd beloofd - zou bij dit onderzoek een belangrijke plaats krijgen. Van bij het begin was de IER echter één grote schijnvertoning. Slachtoffers van de repressie mochten hun verhaal wel doen, maar het was hen strikt verboden de namen van hun beulen te onthullen. En heel wat van deze folteraars bekleden nog steeds belangrijke posten binnen het politieapparaat en het leger. De IER was er voor de façade. En Bachir Ben Barka merkte onlangs op dat in het onderzoek naar de moord op zijn vader, ondanks de IER-vertoning, geen centimeter vooruitgang is geboekt.
Moordmotieven
Waarom moest Mehdi Ben Barka verdwijnen? Het antwoord op deze vraag is veertig jaar na zijn dood nog steeds hetzelfde. Ben Barka was voor de Marokkaanse monarchie, de Franse neokoloniale orde en het Amerikaanse imperium een gevaar.
Van Ben Barka wordt geheel ten onrechte gezegd dat hij een man van het compromis was. Gilles Perrault, de auteur van het uitstekende boek over de dictatuur van Hassan II (‘Notre ami le roi’), schreef dat Ben Barka tot aan zijn dood in een compromis met de monarchie was blijven geloven om in Marokko tot een democratisch meerpartijenstelsel te komen. Maar Ben Barka is wellicht één van de weinige politici die het Marokkaanse koningshuis echt doorgrondde. Hij was ooit de persoonlijke wiskundeleraar van Hassan II, toen die nog kroonprins was. Ben Barka begrijpt als geen andere linkse leider in Marokko dat de monarchie een pijler van het neokolonialisme is. En dat het neokolonialisme elk streven naar onafhankelijkheid, ontwikkeling, maatschappelijke vooruitgang, armoedebestrijding en eenheid van de landen van de Maghreb (met onder meer het pas onafhankelijke Algerije) in de weg zou staan. Ben Barka weet dat Hassan II en zijn entourage van paleislakeien nooit de macht zullen delen, laat staan opgeven. Het paleis wil de weerbarstige Ben Barka neutraliseren en geeft hem het voorzitterschap van de Nationale Consultatieve Raad, een poppenkast waarmee Mohammed V, die in 1961 overlijdt en wordt opgevolgd door zijn tweeëndertig jarige zoon Hassan II, zijn pompeuze, feodale regime een schijn van democratie wil verlenen. Mehdi Ben Barka is echter allesbehalve een royalist. Hij heeft een afkeer van alles wat het koninklijke regime vertegenwoordigt. En hij komt openlijk in aanvaring met generaal Mohamed Oufkir, een van de trouwste waakhonden van het paleis. Zo is er de anekdote over een scherpe woordenwisseling tussen Oufkir en Ben Barka. Oufkir is een praalhans. Zijn uniform hangt vol decoraties, die hij in het Franse leger heeft verdiend. Ben Barka drijft publiek de spot "met deze ijzerwinkel van een huurling, een Marokkaans officier onwaardig". Oufkir zal de blamage nooit vergeten. In 1962 onderneemt het koninklijk paleis een eerste poging om Ben Barka uit de weg te ruimen: hij wordt het slachtoffer van een door de politie geënsceneerd verkeersongeval, dat hij op miraculeuze wijze overleefde. Ben Barka voert hetzelfde jaar een succesvolle verkiezingscampagne. Met verve verdedigt hij een radicaal socialistisch programma, dat de bezitsloze Marokkanen aanspreekt. Zijn partij behaalt in één klap achtentwintig zetels. Hij zelf wordt in de hoofdstad Rabat verkozen. Een jaar later wordt hij bij verstek ter dood veroordeeld – 5000 leden van Ben Barka’s socialistische partij UNFP (Union nationale des Forces populaires) verdwenen achter de tralies, velen onder hen worden gefolterd en eindigen in een naamloos graf. Ben Barka gaat in ballingschap en wordt in 1964 een tweede maal ter dood veroordeeld. Generaal Oufkir en zijn speciale diensten zullen hem in het buitenland nauwgezet in het oog houden.
Tricontinetale
Mehdi Ben Barka verdient ook snel zijn sporen op het internationale toneel. Hij is vice-president van de in 1957 opgerichte ‘Organisatie voor Solidariteit met de volkeren van Afrika en Azië’ (OSPAA), een internationaal gezelschap, waar Sovjets, Chinezen, Arabieren, Afrikanen, Aziaten, vertegenwoordigers van bevrijdingsbewegingen uit het koloniale Afrika en elders elkaar ontmoeten. "Afrika is het Latijns-Amerika van Europa", luidt één van de one-liners van Mehdi Ben Barka. Onder zijn impuls zal de OSPAA – na de overwinning van de revolutionaire beweging onder leiding van Fidel Castro en Ernesto Che Guevara in Cuba – toenadering zoeken tot de bevrijdingsbewegingen in Latijns-Amerika, de achtertuin van Washington. Ben Barka is bijzonder onder de indruk van de alfabetiseringscampagne in Cuba, die voor hem model staat voor wat er ook in Marokko moet gebeuren. De toenadering tussen Afrikanen en Aziaten aan de ene en Latijns-Amerikanen aan de andere kant moet leiden tot de oprichting van een Tricontinentale Conferentie, die in januari 1966 onder het co-voorzitterschap van Mehdi Ben Barka in Havana zal worden georganiseerd. Ben Barka is een vurig pleitbezorger van de strijd tegen het kolonialisme en de imperialistische orde van het Westen. De Tricontinentale Conferentie, die hem voor ogen staat moet tot een actief bondgenootschap leiden van alle bevrijdingsbewegingen in de drie continenten, steun verlenen aan de bevrijdingsstrijd tegen het kolonialisme en imperialisme – meer bepaald aan de strijd van de Palestijnen en van de zwarten in Zuid-Afrika, de strijd opvoeren tegen de buitenlandse militaire bases en de atoombewapening.
Mehdi Ben Barka is constant op reis en knoopt vriendschapsbanden aan met de bekendste leiders van de bevrijdingsbewegingen van die tijd: de ANC-leiders uit Zuid-Afrika, Nelson Mandela en Oliver Tambo, de Frelimoleiders uit Mozambique, Eduardo Mondlane en Samora Machel, Amilcar Cabral de verzetsleider uit Guinee-Bissau en de Kaapverdische Eilanden, de leiders van de antikoloniale strijd in Angola en Robert Mugabe en Joshua N’komo, de aanvoerders van de guerrilla tegen het blanke, racistische bewind in Rhodesië, het latere Zimbabwe.
Ben Barka beseft hoe belangrijk de Afrikaanse eenheid is. Hij brengt veel tijd door in de Arabische wereld, waar hij mee ijvert tegen de Arabische verdeeldheid en pleit voor daadwerkelijke - en niet louter verbale - steun aan het Palestijns verzet. Mehdi Ben Barka beseft ook het gevaar, dat uitgaat van het grote schisma dat tussen Moskou en Beijing dreigt. Tal van bevrijdingsbewegingen in de Derde Wereld worden op dat ogenblik voor de verscheurende keuze gesteld: voor Moskou of tegen Beijing, voor Beijing of tegen Moskou. Vooral de westerse, neokoloniale en imperialistische orde heeft baat bij deze verdeeldheid. Ben Barka is zich daar scherp van bewust. Mohamed Harbi, een man die tijdens de onafhankelijkheidsoorlog en onmiddellijk na de onafhankelijkheid van Algerije een belangrijke rol heeft gespeeld in de Algerijnse beweging FLN (Front de Libération nationale) herinnert zich dit goed. Hij was aanwezig op de conferenties van New Dehli en Stockholm (in 1961), waarop onder impuls van Ben Barka toenadering werd gezocht tussen de bevrijdingsbewegingen van de drie continenten: Afrika, Azië, Latijns-Amerika."Ik leidde de delegatie van het FLN tijdens deze twee vergaderingen. De belangrijkste obstakels voor de bijeenroeping van een Tricontinentale Conferentie hadden te maken met de meningsverschillen tussen Chinezen en Sovjets. De twee reuzen van het communisme dongen naar de gunst van de bevrijdingsbewegingen, die vaak door hen in de tang werden genomen. Elk van deze bewegingen wist uit eigen ervaring dat de oprichting van een solidariteitsfonds, waartoe was besloten in februari 1961 in Conakry, dode letter dreigde te blijven. En inderdaad de hoofdmoot van de hulp aan de bevrijdingsbewegingen bleef bilateraal. De Afrikaanse organisaties beschikten over uiterst bescheiden middelen en daardoor werden ze gedwongen te kiezen tussen de USSR en China, niet alleen op basis van hun principes, maar vooral in functie van de hulp die ieder van beide socialistische landen beloofde of kon geven. Mehdi kon niet leven met de gedachte dat bevrijdingsbewegingen satellieten zouden zijn. Ook al was zijn manoeuvreerruimte niet al te breed, hij wilde tot een toestand komen waarbij de hulp gecentraliseerd zou worden. Hij wilde dat deze hulp verdeeld werd volgens de behoeften en de noden van de strijders op het terrein en niet volgens de wensen van bepaalde staten."
De gedachte van een hecht blok van bevrijdingsbewegingen en pas onafhankelijk geworden landen in Afrika, Azië en Latijns-Amerika, het idee van een internationale van bevrijding, maatschappelijke vooruitgang en sociaal-economische ontwikkeling was een nachtmerrie voor de oude Europese koloniale machten en de Verenigde Staten. De realiteit van een militante Arabische eenheid was ondraaglijk voor de leiders van de staat Israël. Onafhankelijkheid, moderniteit, socialisme en democratie klonken de feodale heerser van Marokko, Hassan II, als een vloek in de oren. En Mehdi Ben Barka stond voor al deze waarden. Daarom moest hij van het toneel verdwijnen. En daarom was de samenwerking tussen Rabat, Parijs, Washington en Tel Aviv zo perfect. ‘Raison d’Etat’, zo noemen ze dat in Frankrijk. Hoe lang blijft het dossier Ben Barka nog onder het stof liggen?
(Uitpers, nr. 69, 7de jg., november 2005)
Winst islamisten in Egypte is westers dilemma
COLUMN, Ferry Biedermann op 23 november '05, 00:00, bijgewerkt 15 januari '09, 16:54
De enorme sprong voorwaarts van de fundamentalistische Moslim Broederschap bij de parlementsverkiezingen in Egypte toont opnieuw aan dat als de deur ook maar op een kier gaat, streng-religieuze partijen de overhand hebben in de Arabische wereld.
Wel, laat ze hun gang gaan, zou ik zeggen. Gun ze hun kalifaat. Geef de islam de kans zich te bewijzen.
Wel, laat ze hun gang gaan, zou ik zeggen. Gun ze hun kalifaat. Geef de islam de kans zich te bewijzen.Zoals in Pakistan, Iran, Afganistan, Somalia, Sudan, Jemen, en al die andere landen waar te grote minderheden moslims de boel verstieren, sorry, bewijzen?
Abu_Hurayrah
19-11-09, 08:53
De grootste fear van het westen is dat de Moslims terug samenkomen en een blok tegen hen vormen. De profeet vzmh zei "waqoel li3ibadi an jakoeloe fahia laki a7san fa inna ashaitaanoe janzagoe bainhoem" wat wil zeggen dat men geen koeffaars kan maken van de Moslims, ze zullen aan hun dien blijven vasthouden (of het nu op en hoog of laag pitje is), waardoor de Westerse koefaars hen op een ander vlak gaan pakken en dat is door divisie te creeeren zodat zij niet samen komen voor de creatie van een khalifaat...
Gelukkig horen moslims in eerste instantie niet samen te komen voor het creëren van een khalifaat, maar voor het hebben van een correcte geloofsleer.
Gelukkig horen moslims in eerste instantie niet samen te komen voor het creëren van een khalifaat, maar voor het hebben van een correcte geloofsleer.Edoch in tweede instantie.
Abu_Hurayrah
19-11-09, 09:00
Edoch in tweede instantie.
Hirsi Ali: "Waar is Allah?"
Hirsi Ali: "Waar is Allah?"Het beeld van de Islamitische allah is op fictie gebaseerd, hele donkere fictie, waar de werkelijkheid en de waarheid wordt vervalst, om de wereld te veroveren.
Abu_Hurayrah
19-11-09, 09:14
Het beeld van de Islamitische allah is op fictie gebaseerd, hele donkere fictie, waar de werkelijkheid en de waarheid wordt vervalst, om de wereld te veroveren.
http://www.abovethethrone.com
Gelukkig horen moslims in eerste instantie niet samen te komen voor het creëren van een khalifaat, maar voor het hebben van een correcte geloofsleer.
Inderdaad, spraakverwarring.
Adam (salam aleyhi) heeft de grondslagen gelegd van shari3a en beschaving.
De shari3a en het beheer (Koran 6:165) van de beschaving bestaat al wat langer dan vandaag.
Dus zijn termen als 'shari3a invoeren' of kalifaatstaat stichten' in wezen hetzelfde als 'het wiel uitvinden'.
Maar het moet wel gezegd worden dat dit soort spraakverwarring veroorzaakt wordt door hordes islamologen die van toeten noch blazen weten.
Niet geregistreerd
19-11-09, 17:41
Het beeld van de Islamitische allah is op fictie gebaseerd, hele donkere fictie, waar de werkelijkheid en de waarheid wordt vervalst, om de wereld te veroveren.
kan je bewijzen wat je beweert of zit je daar alleen maar onzin uit te krammen zonder inhoud ???
Als christen heb je helemaal geen recht van spreken wat betreft deze zaken !
kan je bewijzen wat je beweert of zit je daar alleen maar onzin uit te krammen zonder inhoud ???
Als christen heb je helemaal geen recht van spreken wat betreft deze zaken !Met een profeet en aanhangers die de dood vereren ipv het leven,
een profeet die de overleveringen van de joden en de christenen voorspeld zou vervalsen en vervangen door een eigen geschrift dat omstreeks 666 gecodificeerd is, en waarvan zijn geest zich zou nestelen in de Tempel.
Zoals in Pakistan, Iran, Afganistan, Somalia, Sudan, Jemen, en al die andere landen waar te grote minderheden moslims de boel verstieren, sorry, bewijzen?Precies. Laat de islam maar bewijzen dat ze geen rechtvaardige samenleving kan bouwen.
Met een profeet en aanhangers die de dood vereren ipv het leven,
een profeet die de overleveringen van de joden en de christenen voorspeld zou vervalsen en vervangen door een eigen geschrift dat omstreeks 666 gecodificeerd is, en waarvan zijn geest zich zou nestelen in de Tempel.
waardeloos bullshit : classiek gelul :
als christen heb je nogmaals helemaal geeen recht van spreken met betrekking tot deze geloofszaken :
zie de "glorieus" achterlijk misdadig inquisitie_achtig heksen jachten , onwetend, bijgelovig , crimineel kwijtschelding van zonden tegen betaling, Galileo on fire , ....historisch fundamenteel antisemistisch karakter van de kerk :
the church as a criminal organisation : guilty as charged : guilty of moral spiritual, physical, individual, social, mental , psychological, economical, political, imperialistic & other crimles against humanity :
Satan in person w'd feel perfectly at home within Paulinism's walls !
congratulations ! :cola:
als ik je was , dan zou ik heel lang van geloof hadden veranderd , zonder Islam , zou ik al lang atheist ben geworden , achterlijk hypocriet moraal ridder :
take a look at the mirror first 'fore u dare lecture anyone 'bout morality ...u're in no position to do just that !
Islam is too big, too noble , too huge ...for ur narrow_minded , indoctrinated ,brainwashed stupid .....mind , imagination............
unbelievable lunatic :!
Islam is too violent, too arhaba, (=too frighten), too lethal and too lunatic, and reality is just proving that for everyones eye to see.
From Mauretania to Indonesia islam shows its bitter fruits.
Islam is too violent, too arhaba, (frightening), too lethal and too lunatic, and reality is just proving that for everyones eye to see.
From Mauretania to Indonesia islam shows its bitter fruits.
:lol:
see the "glorious peaceful , inspiring , non_violent .... :lol: " ... history of that criminal organisation = the church !
:zwaai:
waardeloos bullshit : classiek gelul :
als christen heb je nogmaals helemaal geeen recht van spreken met betrekking tot deze geloofszaken :
zie de "glorieus" achterlijk misdadig inquisitie_achtig heksen jachten , onwetend, bijgelovig , crimineel kwijtschelding van zonden tegen betaling, Galileo on fire , ....historisch fundamenteel antisemistisch karakter van de kerk :
the church as a criminal organisation : guilty as charged : guilty of moral spiritual, physical, individual, social, mental , psychological, economical, political, imperialistic & other crimles against humanity :
Satan in person w'd feel perfectly at home within Paulinism's walls !
congratulations ! :cola:
als ik je was , dan zou ik heel lang van geloof hadden veranderd , zonder Islam , zou ik al lang atheist ben geworden , achterlijk hypocriet moraal ridder :
take a look at the mirror first 'fore u dare lecture anyone 'bout morality ...u're in no position to do just that !
Islam is too big, too noble , too huge ...for ur narrow_minded , indoctrinated ,brainwashed stupid .....mind , imagination............
unbelievable lunatic :!
T.a.v . Fibonaci !
wat voor gek nick is dat toch ??? :lol: