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Wizdom
14-02-10, 00:46
Tonge sacked for Israeli organ theft in Haiti comments
Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:59:21 GMT
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Baroness Tonge has been sacked as the Lib Dem health spokeswoman in the House of Lords.
Baroness Jenny Tonge has been sacked as the Liberal Democrat spokeswoman for health in Britain's House of Lords for urging an inquiry into charges that Israeli forces in Haiti harvested organs.

Baroness Tonge told the Jewish Chronicle on Friday that there should be an inquiry into reports that Israeli forces harvested the organs of victims of the recent earthquake in Haiti.

"To prevent allegations such as these — which have already been posted on You Tube — going any further, the IDF and the Israeli Medical Association should establish an independent inquiry immediately to clear the names of the team in Haiti," she said.

In response, Liberal Democrat Party Leader Nick Clegg sacked Tonge and dismissed her comments as unacceptable, provocative, and distasteful.

In a statement issued on Saturday, Clegg said, "Following discussions with the Leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords, Lord McNally, I have decided that Jenny Tonge will stand down as Liberal Democrat health spokesperson in the Lords following her unacceptable comments suggesting an inquiry into highly offensive allegations against the IDF humanitarian operation in Haiti."

tanger'73
14-02-10, 00:51
organen scharrelen, dat zie ik die israëlisch wel doen. Lijken zat op Haïti. Vallen de ledematen van de israëlisch bij bosjes af en valt het hele volk uit elkaar, dat er hoognodig nieuwe moeten worden opgeplakt en ingebracht?

tanger'73
14-02-10, 02:25
vreedzaam doodgaan en rest in peace is tegenwoordig bij de israëlisch geen optie.

Wizdom
14-02-10, 20:11
Sacked Tonge slams Israel's 'attitude' in Palestine
Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:26:19 GMT
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A February 14, 2009 grab shows Baroness Jenny Tonge during an interview with Press TV's Face to Face show.
Baroness Jenny Tonge, who was sacked from the British House of Lords over the weekend for alleged 'anti-Israeli comments,' has criticized “the Israeli attitude towards the Palestinians.”

The Liberal Democrat health spokeswoman, an outspoken critic of Israel's inhumane conduct against the Palestinians, was promptly removed from her post on Saturday for comments she made to the Jewish Chronicle about Israel's role in human organ trafficking from the quake-stricken Haiti.

Tonge had called for an inquiry into claims that the Israeli troops and aid workers deployed in Haiti were involved in trafficking human organs.

Tonge said in an interview with Press TV that she saw people humiliated on a daily basis in the West Bank during a “life-changing” visit to the region in 2003, as if the attitude was to “make them crawl, make them suffer whenever you can.”

She said witnessing the injustices there had made her very angry, adding that she did not believe the Balfour Declaration had ever envisaged Israeli soldiers driving people away at gunpoint.

Asked about her controversial comments in 2004, when she expressed an understanding of a suicide bomber after being subjected to the constant humiliations the Palestinians go through, she ridiculed media allegations that she was inciting acts of terror.

“The constant humiliation that has gone on for decades in Palestine….Even after a week, I was feeling depressed and angry, humiliated myself. And I thought that if I was in that situation trying to bring up my family and that happened every day…, I might, if I had been a Palestinian and a Muslim, which of course I am neither of those, I might have considered being one [suicide bomber] myself actually."

“It is absolutely useless condemning acts of terror, like cold suicide bombing without actually going to the roots and understanding why they do it.”

She stressed that she had never regretted that statement and that she had received thousands of support letters.

She added that she had received a telephone call from the then-Liberal Democratic leader, Charles Kennedy, and had been told that unless she withdrew her comments she would be removed from the frontbench.

Tonge believes she was under pressure from the Israeli lobby, which were very active in all British politics, while “practically running American foreign policy.”

She said that the Israeli lobby had a lot of influence with all of the country's three major parties, all of which are inevitably linked to a huge organization called 'the Friends of Israel.'

She was also asked what she thought about the fact that Cherie Blair, the wife of the former British premier Tony Blair, had retraced similar comments about understanding the impulse of a suicide bomber.

Tonge responded that she believed it was very sad that the freedom of speech was often undermined in the political circles concerning the Palestinian resistance.

She also expressed disagreement with the British policy over the Gaza blockage and that the iron ring alone had caused “a whole generation” to suffer from malnourishment, stunted growth, bed-wetting, and attention disorder.

In explaining the British government's stance on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, Tonge said, “Some thing that we always seem to do in this country is to follow America, and secondly, they are gurgling along with Europe and there are European countries like Germany, who are absolutely terrified of anti-Semitism."

“I mean, we haven't mentioned that word yet, but it drives policy, because of the holocaust, which I have read a lot about it and I think was one of the worst things that mankind has ever perpetrated on other human beings.”

She then noted, “So a lot of European countries, and Germany in particular, are overwhelmingly guilty about that an terrified of “anti-Semitism” leveled at them…..And that added to adhering to the American foreign policy, which is run by the Israel lobby, according to [American scholars] Walt and Mearsheimer, these two factors mean we do what we do.”

Tonge emphasized, “I think that that is very very short sighted, and I think that it is very short-sighted for Israel to think that the country has any long term future at all if it carries on like this, because sooner or later they (the Palestinians) are going to fight back."

Tonge was elected to the House of Commons in 1997 and in the same year she was also elected as the Shadow Secretary of State for International Development. She was elevated to the UK House of Lords in 2005.

ronald
15-02-10, 03:25
Oh die antisemiet. Ja...verwondert mij niets dat die daarmee op de proppen komt.

Pizzaman
15-02-10, 09:59
Iedereen die er iets van weet zal zich kunnen bedenken dat het onmogelijk is.

Het 'oogsten van organen' dient onder speciale omstandigheden plaats te vinden.
DWZ de organen moeten in feite 'nog leven' om bruikbaar te zijn voor transplantatie.

Je kan niet zomaar een lever uit een willekeurige dode pikken, die even laten onderzoeken op bloedgroep etcetera, en inde koelkast opslaan voor de latere handel.
Zeker niet in onhygienische omstandigehden zoals je dat zal hebben biuj een aardbeving.

Het is een 'kul van de bovenste plank' bericht.

mark61
15-02-10, 10:03
Zo is dat.

Welke schorsing? Ze is 'ontslagen' als woordvoerster.

Bar
15-02-10, 10:29
organen scharrelen, dat zie ik die israëlisch wel doen. Lijken zat op Haïti. Vallen de ledematen van de israëlisch bij bosjes af en valt het hele volk uit elkaar, dat er hoognodig nieuwe moeten worden opgeplakt en ingebracht?
Je bent dus gewoon een irrationele antisemiet, die iedere waanzinnige stelling accepteert zolang het maar joden betreft.

Wizdom
15-02-10, 16:37
Je bent dus gewoon een irrationele antisemiet, die iedere waanzinnige stelling accepteert zolang het maar joden betreft.

De beschuldiging komt niet zomaar uit de lucht vallen. Er is een groot netwerk in de VS opgerold waarbij voorname RABBI's en andere ZIONISTEN gelieerden zijn opgepakt wegens het handelen in organen van mensen. Palestijnen hebben herhaaldelijk geklaagd over het feit dat lichamen van Palestijnse gevangenen of slachtoffers zijn ontdaan van organen. Wanneer je organen in vloeibare stikstof onderbrengt dan zijn ze nog een tijdje houdbaar. Dus dat verhaal heeft nog wel zo z'n aanknopingspunten. En als ze niets te verbergen hebben waarom zouden ze zo'n onderzoek dan saboteren?

Slinger
15-02-10, 16:39
De beschuldiging komt niet zomaar uit de lucht vallen. Er is een groot netwerk in de VS opgerold waarbij voorname RABBI's en andere ZIONISTEN gelieerden zijn opgepakt wegens het handelen in organen van mensen. Palestijnen hebben herhaaldelijk geklaagd over het feit dat lichamen van Palestijnse gevangenen of slachtoffers zijn ontdaan van organen. Wanneer je organen in vloeibare stikstof onderbrengt dan zijn ze nog een tijdje houdbaar. Dus dat verhaal heeft nog wel zo z'n aanknopingspunten. En als ze niets te verbergen hebben waarom zouden ze zo'n onderzoek dan saboteren?

Bron?

Soldim
15-02-10, 16:41
Wanneer je organen in vloeibare stikstof onderbrengt dan zijn ze nog een tijdje houdbaar.

Complete nonsense. Net zo als de rest van het verhaal hierboven.

Israel doet genoeg echte misdadige dingen om je over dit soort fictieve misdaden niet druk te hoeven maken.

Wizdom
15-02-10, 16:51
Bron?

Five rabbis arrested for corruption, money laundering and organ trade

27 July 2009
Five rabbis were among the 44 persons arrested last week in Brooklyn and New Jersey. They allegedly acted like "crime bosses" in a massive money-laundering and illegal organ trading scandal, according to a New Jersey prosecutor. Several current and former mayors and New Jersey state assemblymen were also arrested in the operation.

The rabbis are suspected of organizing a money-laundering network that allegedly worked through charities in New Jersey, New York and Israel. The money reportedly came from a variety of sources, from a fraudulent bankruptcy claim to profits from selling fake designer handbags. The rabbis are Saul Kassin, 87, chief rabbi of Sharee Zion Synagogue in Brooklyn; Eliahu Ben Haim, 58, the principal rabbi of Congregation Ohel Yaacob in Deal, New Jersey; Edmond Nahum, 56, of Deal Synagogue; Mordchai Fish, 56, of Congregation Sheves Achim in Brooklyn; and New York resident Rabbi Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, 58. The latter allegedly tried to orchestrate the sale of human kidneys bought for $10,000 from poor donors in places like India and Eastern Europe on the black market for up to US$ 180,000.

"The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis does not make this a religiously motivated investigation," Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of FBI’s office in Newark, said at a news conference. "It is not a politically motivated investigation. It is about crime, corruption, arrogance and a shocking betrayal of public trust." District Attorney Ralph Marra also stressed that the suspects' religion was irrelevant, and that all the suspects knew the money they were laundering came from illegal sources. "These rings, led by clergymen, cloaked their extensive criminal activities behind a facade of rectitude," he pointed out.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/news/globalnews/gn_archives/2009/07/gn_090727_us.shtml

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123073/2207907/2221981/090724_FB_RabbiEX.jpg

Slinger
15-02-10, 17:16
Five rabbis arrested for corruption, money laundering and organ trade

27 July 2009
Five rabbis were among the 44 persons arrested last week in Brooklyn and New Jersey. They allegedly acted like "crime bosses" in a massive money-laundering and illegal organ trading scandal, according to a New Jersey prosecutor. Several current and former mayors and New Jersey state assemblymen were also arrested in the operation.

The rabbis are suspected of organizing a money-laundering network that allegedly worked through charities in New Jersey, New York and Israel. The money reportedly came from a variety of sources, from a fraudulent bankruptcy claim to profits from selling fake designer handbags. The rabbis are Saul Kassin, 87, chief rabbi of Sharee Zion Synagogue in Brooklyn; Eliahu Ben Haim, 58, the principal rabbi of Congregation Ohel Yaacob in Deal, New Jersey; Edmond Nahum, 56, of Deal Synagogue; Mordchai Fish, 56, of Congregation Sheves Achim in Brooklyn; and New York resident Rabbi Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, 58. The latter allegedly tried to orchestrate the sale of human kidneys bought for $10,000 from poor donors in places like India and Eastern Europe on the black market for up to US$ 180,000.

"The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis does not make this a religiously motivated investigation," Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of FBI’s office in Newark, said at a news conference. "It is not a politically motivated investigation. It is about crime, corruption, arrogance and a shocking betrayal of public trust." District Attorney Ralph Marra also stressed that the suspects' religion was irrelevant, and that all the suspects knew the money they were laundering came from illegal sources. "These rings, led by clergymen, cloaked their extensive criminal activities behind a facade of rectitude," he pointed out.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/news/globalnews/gn_archives/2009/07/gn_090727_us.shtml

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123073/2207907/2221981/090724_FB_RabbiEX.jpg


Het verhaal in deze bron dekt je beweringen hierboven niet.

ronald
15-02-10, 17:22
Five rabbis arrested for corruption, money laundering and organ trade
Izhak Rosenbaum, 58. The latter allegedly tried to orchestrate the sale of human kidneys bought for $10,000 from poor donors in places like India and Eastern Europe on the black market for up to US$ 180,000.


Kijk, dat deze mensen zich hebben bezig gehouden met dit soort praktijken is zoals de FBI-medewerker meldde:


"The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis does not make this a religiously motivated investigation," Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of FBI’s office in Newark, said at a news conference. "It is not a politically motivated investigation. It is about crime, corruption, arrogance and a shocking betrayal of public trust."
Nieren in India kopen van mensen die hun nier verkochten (!) en ze dan voor veel meer verkopen is een slechte zaak. Wanneer ze een criminele daad hebben begaan zullen ze er ook wel voor gestraft worden.
Maar hier plaats je het ene bericht, "organen roof op Haiti door IDF-leden" van die antisemiet uit Engeland naast jouw bericht. Wat wil je aantonen? Dat men eerder in India op jacht is gegaan en dat die antisemitische uitspraken van mevrouw Tonge dezelfde zijn en dus waar? Je plaats jezelf hiermee met haar in een eenzelfde categorie van mensen.

Aït Ayt
15-02-10, 17:37
Iedereen die er iets van weet zal zich kunnen bedenken dat het onmogelijk is.



als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

dat barones tonge ontslagen is omdat ze een oproep gedaan heeft om te onderzoeken of de geruchten kloppen geeft wel een indicatie tot hoe diep de invloed vd zionlobby reikt in de britse poltiek.. hun tentakels reiken ver..

ronald
15-02-10, 17:46
als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

dat barones tonge ontslagen is omdat ze een oproep gedaan heeft om te onderzoeken of de geruchten kloppen geeft wel een indicatie tot hoe diep de invloed vd zionlobby reikt in de britse poltiek.. hun tentakels reiken ver..

Mevrouw Tonge houdt zich niet bezig met geruchten. Mevrouw Tonge bedient zich van een antisemitische versie van de Protocollen van de Wijzen van Zion. Hoe antisemitisch kun je wel niet zijn. Maar ik begrijp dat jij het werkelijk een gerucht vindt?

Joesoef
15-02-10, 17:50
Dat is nu precies de reden dat ik geen worstjes eet.

Slinger
15-02-10, 17:57
als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

dat barones tonge ontslagen is omdat ze een oproep gedaan heeft om te onderzoeken of de geruchten kloppen geeft wel een indicatie tot hoe diep de invloed vd zionlobby reikt in de britse poltiek.. hun tentakels reiken ver..

Je bent een waardige volgeling van je haatprofeet.

Pizzaman
15-02-10, 17:59
als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

Bullcrap :giechel:

Als je dat soort conclusies gaat trekken dan kan de AIVD ook jouw pilotenlicentie gelijk intrekken.
Is wel gevaarlijk want wie weet ga je paleis Het Loo wel rammen met je Piper Cub... :boogie:

uiteraard kan je overal rommelen, maar zoals bovenstaand uitgelegd kan dat dus niet met lijken van onder een aardverschuiving.
O, en dat betekent beslist niet dat er op Haiti niet van alles te koop zou zijn.
Ongetwijfeld zou men daar nieren etcetera kunnen kopen.
Op dit moment echter ligt het hele zooitje er plat, kan je geeneens een pakje kauwgum kopen.
Dus vergeet die transplantatie-shit maar. Het meest technische wat daar nu werkt is een blikopener, op batterijen.

Die mevrouw is gewoon erg dom bezig.:hihi:

Aït Ayt
15-02-10, 18:16
Je bent een waardige volgeling van je haatprofeet.

gezien je offtopic reactie zit je in de verkeerde thread..

Slinger
15-02-10, 18:18
gezien je offtopic reactie zit je in de verkeerde thread..

Ik zit in precies de goede draad.

Aït Ayt
15-02-10, 18:33
Jenny Tonge: Pressure from Zionist lobby

Baroness Jenny Tonge has given an interview to Iranian channel Press TV, and wrote an email to a pro-Palestinian activist defending her comments to the JC about alleged IDF organ-trafficking

Baroness Tonge, who was sacked from her post as Liberal Democrat health spokesperson for the House of Lords, has criticised the Israeli lobby in British politics in a Press TV interview.

She also wrote an email to pro-Palestinian activist Deborah Fink, blaming the JC for spreading the organ-stealing allegations.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg sacked Baroness Tonge after she told the JC she believed there should be an independent inquiry into allegations of organ trafficking by the IDF while they helped the earthquake victims in Haiti.

According to Mr Clegg, Lady Tonge was “very sorry” for her remarks, and recognised that they were offensive.

But she told the Iranian-sponsored Press TV that she had found herself under pressure from the Israeli lobby, “which has a lot of influence within Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats”.

She added: “A lot of European countries and Germany in particular, are terrified of ‘antisemitism’ levelled at them.

Over the weekend, pro-Palestinian activist Deborah Fink received an email from Baroness Tonge, which she then posted on the Liberal Democrat Voice blog and the Telegraph website.

It is quite ludicrous – organs would be useless in that situation anyway

Baroness Tonge

The email read: “This is total rubbish, as usual! Palestine Telegraph last week had a long piece by a Jewish American on the subject of organ donation – not an editorial piece.

“It said there were postings on YouTube about organ harvesting in Haiti by the large team sent out by Israel to help.

“The JC asked for a comment, as I am a patron of the Palestine Telegraph. I actually congratulated Israel for their prompt response to the disaster and said that if allegations were being made they should conduct an inquiry to dispel any rumours. OK?

“It is quite ludicrous – organs would be useless in that situation anyway and it is a nonsense suggestion.

“Trouble is he [the JC’s editor Stephen Pollard] has now spread a silly allegation and done untold damage to a really great effort by the Israelis.”

The Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council have issued a joint statement praising Nick Clegg for his action against Baroness Tonge.

The statement called Baroness Tonge’s words “outrageous and a calumny”.

It read: “Baroness Tonge has promoted this libel against Israel by utilising historic themes that are classically deployed to attack the Jewish people.

"She has dishonoured the noble efforts of Israeli soldiers and civilians who engaged in a selfless humanitarian effort to save lives in Haiti.

“Whatever her motives, Jenny Tonge's persistent use of antisemitic tropes has no place in British politics. Nick Clegg has responded swiftly and correctly.

“Nevertheless, any further use of antisemitic rhetoric must result in Tonge's expulsion from the party and loss of the whip.

Linda Jack, the Liberal Democrat prospective parliamentary candidate for Mid-Bedfordshire, defended Baroness Tonge on her blog and echoed her call for an investigation into the IDF in Haiti.

She wrote: “Nick plays into the hands of the Zionists.

“Of course it is beyond belief that human beings sent to help a country in distress would do such a thing, but human beings do terrible things to each other.

“I am not suggesting I believe these allegations, just challenging the idea that we assume some people are automatically beyond reproach.”

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/28066/jenny-tonge-pressure-zionist-lobby

Aït Ayt
15-02-10, 18:35
Ik zit in precies de goede draad.

de topic gaat niet over de profeet mohammed.. ga anders op het islaamforum zitten als je zo graag de profeet erbij wilt betrekken..

Slinger
15-02-10, 18:46
de topic gaat niet over de profeet mohammed.. ga anders op het islaamforum zitten als je zo graag de profeet erbij wilt betrekken..

Het gaat over jou en andere haatzaaiers.

Aït Ayt
15-02-10, 18:49
Het gaat over jou en andere haatzaaiers.

zie je nou wel dat je in de verkeerde topic zit..

Pizzaman
15-02-10, 19:09
BTW het lijkt me inderdaad dat we hier iemand hebben die nogal anti-Israeli is.
Het zou dus een gevalleltje spijkers op laag water zoeken kunnen zijn.

Wiki:

In March of 2009 Tonge joined a six-person delegation of British politicians which met with Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal in Syria. Tonge told an interviewer that their goal was to force the British government to talk to Hamas and pressure the United States to do likewise.

In January 2004, while still a Member of Parliament, Tonge was asked to step down as children's spokeswoman by Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy after saying of Palestinian suicide bombers: "If I had to live in that situation - and I say that advisedly - I might just consider becoming one myself."

Lijkt me dat er inderdaad enige sprake is van anti-israelische motiven.
En van domheid, want het is simpelweg een onmogelijkheid op dit moment.
Of zou u graag een nieuwe lever hebben, misschien meurt ie een beetje (want hij lag al even) en d'r zit wat gruis aan, maar ja, 't is crisis he. Iedereen moet bezuinigen...

Wizdom
15-02-10, 20:37
BTW het lijkt me inderdaad dat we hier iemand hebben die nogal anti-Israeli is.
Het zou dus een gevalleltje spijkers op laag water zoeken kunnen zijn.

Wiki:


Lijkt me dat er inderdaad enige sprake is van anti-israelische motiven.
En van domheid, want het is simpelweg een onmogelijkheid op dit moment.
Of zou u graag een nieuwe lever hebben, misschien meurt ie een beetje (want hij lag al even) en d'r zit wat gruis aan, maar ja, 't is crisis he. Iedereen moet bezuinigen...

Zolang het IDF en haar ZIONISTEN vrienden Palestijnen van hun organen blijven beroven zal dit ze als een vloek blijven volgen...

Israeli Organ Trafficking and Theft: From Moldova to Palestine
By Alison Weir
In August Sweden’s largest daily newspaper published an article containing grisly evidence suggesting that Israel had been taking Palestinian internal organs. The article, by veteran photojournalist Donald Bostrom, called for an international investigation to discover the facts.1


In this photograph taken March 22, 2007, Vasile Dimineti holds a picture of his 24-year-old son, who died a year after selling his kidney. The family lives in the impoverished Moldovan village of Mingir, where about 40 of its 7,000 residents are thought to have sold a kidney. AFP photo/Daniel Mihailescu/Files


Israel immediately accused Bostrom and the newspaper of “anti-Semitism,” and charged that suggesting Israelis could be involved in the illicit removal of body parts constituted a modern “blood libel” (medieval stories of Jews killing people for their blood).2

Numerous Israeli partisans repeated these accusations, including Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin, who asserted that the story was “merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of European funded and promoted anti-Israel hate.”3 Others suggested that the newspaper was “irresponsible” for running such an article.4

The fact is, however, that Israeli organ harvesting—sometimes with Israeli governmental funding and the participation of high Israeli officials, prominent Israeli physicians, and Israeli ministries—has been documented for many years. Among the victims have been Palestinians.

Nancy Scheper-Hughes is Chancellor’s Professor of Medical Anthropology at the University of California Berkeley, the founder of Organ Watch, and the author of scholarly books and articles on organ trafficking. She is the pundit mainstream media call upon when they need expert commentary on the topic.5

While Scheper-Hughes emphasizes that traffickers and procurers come from numerous nations and ethnicities, including Americans and Arabs, she is unflinchingly honest in speaking about the Israeli connection:

“Israel is at the top,” she states. “It has tentacles reaching out worldwide.”6

In a lecture last year sponsored by New York’s PBS 13 Forum, Scheper-Hughes explained that Israeli organ traffickers, “had and still have a pyramid system at work that’s awesome…they have brokers everywhere, bank accounts everywhere; they’ve got recruiters, they’ve got translators, they’ve got travel agents who set up the visas.”

Lest this sound simply like a successful international concern, it’s important to understand the nature of such a business.

As Scheper-Hughes describes it, organ trafficking consists of “paying the poor and the hungry to slowly dismantle their bodies.”

Organ traffickers prey on the world’s poorest, most desperate citizens—slum dwellers, inhabitants of dying villages, people without means or hope. Traffickers promise them what seem like astronomical sums of money (from $1,000 to $10,000)—which they frequently don’t even deliver—in return for vital internal organs.

For traffickers, human body parts are commodities, to be cut out of the bodies of the poor and sold to the rich. The organ “donors” receive no follow-up care and end up worse off on many levels—physically, financially, psychologically, socially—than even their original tragic situation. Sometimes they are coerced into such “donations.”

Organ sales have been illegal in most countries for years. The United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, which covers prevention, enforcement and sanctions in trafficking of humans, includes in its definition of human exploitation the extraction of organs for profit.7 Israel finally passed legislation against organ trafficking in 2008.8, 9

In her Forum 13 lecture Scheper-Hughes discussed the two motivations of Israeli traffickers. One was greed, she said. The other was somewhat chilling: “Revenge, restitution—reparation for the Holocaust.”

She described speaking with Israeli brokers who told her “it’s kind of ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. We’re going to get every single kidney and liver and heart that we can. The world owes it to us.’”

Scheper-Hughes says that she “even heard doctors saying that.”

For many years Israelis in need of an internal organ have gone on what experts call “transplant tourism”—traveling to other nations to obtain internal organs. Sometimes body parts are obtained from those freshly dead; more often from the desperately needy. While affluent people from numerous countries and ethnicities engage in this practice, Israel is unique in several significant ways.

First, Israelis engage in this at an extraordinarily high rate. According to a 2001 BBC report, Israelis buy more kidneys per capita than any other population.

Second, Israelis have the lowest donor rate in the world—one-fifth that of Europe, according to BBC. This is in part because there has been a widespread impression that Jewish religious law prohibits transplants as a “desecration of the body.”10 The Israeli news service Ynet reports, “the percentage of organs donated among Jews is the lowest of all the ethnic groups.”11

Third, the Israeli government has enabled the practice. For many years the Israeli health system subsidized its citizens’ “transplant holidays,” reimbursing Israelis $80,000 for medical operations abroad. Much of the remaining costs could often be obtained from government-subsidized12 Israeli insurance plans.13 In addition, Israel’s Ministry of Defense was directly involved.

Scheper-Hughes discussed Israeli organ trafficking in detail in 2001 in published testimony to the Subcommittee on International Relations and Human Rights of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.14 In her extensive testimony, Scheper-Hughes stated that although Israel had become a pariah for its organ policies, Israeli officials exhibited “amazing tolerance…toward outlawed ‘transplant tourism.’”

She described an international syndicate which was “organized through a local business corporation in conjunction with a leading transplant surgeon, operating out of a major medical center not far from Tel Aviv,” and which had forged links with transplant surgeons in Turkey, Russia, Moldavia, Estonia, Georgia, Romania, and New York City.

The Israeli Ministry of Defense was directly involved in what Scheper-Hughes called Israel’s “‘illicit [in other nations] national ‘program’ of transplant tourism…Members of the Ministry of Defense or those closely related to them” accompanied transplant junkets.

In her Forum 13 lecture, Scheper-Hughes said that investigating Israeli organ trafficking over the past decade had taken her “from country to country to country to country.”

One of these is Moldova, the poorest country in Europe—and homeland of Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman—where 90 percent of the people earn less than $2 a day. A 2001 BBC report on organ trafficking described the situation: “Hundreds of Israelis have created a production line that starts in the villages of Moldova, where men today are walking around with one kidney.15

Another is Brazil, where a legislative commission found that 30 [it may actually have been as high as 60] Brazilians from impoverished neighborhoods had sold their kidneys to a trafficking ring headed by Israelis, with Israeli citizens receiving almost all of the organs, and the Israeli government providing most of the funding.16

The ring had also begun inquiring about buying other vital organs from poor residents, including lungs, livers and corneas.17

An Inter Press Service (IPS) news story from the time reported that Scheper-Hughes testified to the commission that international trafficking of human organs had begun some 12 years earlier, promoted by Zaki Shapira, head of kidney transplant services at Bellinson Medical Center, near Tel Aviv.

Scheper-Hughes reported that Shapira had performed more than 300 kidney transplants, sometimes accompanying his patients to other countries such as Turkey. The recipients were very wealthy or had very good health insurance, and the “donors” very poor people from Eastern Europe, the Philippines and other developing countries.

The chairman of the Brazilian commission, physician Raimundo Pimentel, was outraged at Israeli policies, pointing out that trafficking can only take place on a large scale if there is a major source of financing, such as the Israeli health system. Pimentel charged that the resources provided by the Israeli health system “were a determining factor” in enabling a network that preyed on society’s poorest populations.

In 2004 there were reports that Israeli traffickers had added China to their target donor populations.18 In one recent case an Israeli paid an organ broker $100,000 for a kidney transplant in China from an 18-year-old Chinese girl. She received $5,000 and died following surgery.19

New York Times reporter Larry Rohter pointed out that allowing brokers to operate with few restrictions benefited Israel “by exporting Israel’s organ shortage overseas.” Rohter cites a kidney specialist at Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem who explained that patients who go abroad “‘save the country a lot of money; not only in terms of what doesn’t have to be spent on dialysis, but also by opening places for other people who are on the list.’”20

Many people find governmental complicity in organ trafficking deeply troubling on moral and philosophical grounds.

As Scheper-Hughes testified: “The sale of human organs and tissues requires that certain disadvantaged individuals, populations, and even nations have been reduced to the role of ‘suppliers.’

“It is a scenario in which only certain bodies are broken, dismembered, fragmented, transported, processed, and sold in the interests of a more socially advantaged population...of receivers.” She believes that the risks and benefits of organ transplant surgery should be more equally distributed among nations, ethnic groups, and social classes.

Organ theft
It is difficult to know how often Israeli trafficking involves outright theft of vital organs from living human beings.

It is not rare for the “donor” to receive little or none of the compensation promised. For example, in 2007 Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported that two Israelis had confessed to persuading Palestinians “from the Galilee and central Israel who were developmentally challenged or mentally ill to agree to have a kidney removed for payment.” According to the Haaretz report, after the organ had been taken the traffickers refused to pay for them.

On occasion, people are coerced into giving up their organs. For example, Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, the alleged Brooklyn trafficker recently arrested in an FBI sweep in New Jersey, reportedly carried a gun. When a potential organ seller would try to back out, Rosenbaum would use his finger to simulate firing a gun at the person’s head.

The Rosenbaum case, reportedly part of a ring centered in Israel, is the first case of trafficking to be prosecuted in the US. His arrest and the substantial evidence against him may have surprised State Department Countermisinformation Director Todd Leventhal, who had characterized organ trafficking as an “urban legend,” stating, “It would be impossible to successfully conceal a clandestine organ-trafficking ring.” Leventhal called such reports “irresponsible and totally unsubstantiated.”

More often organ theft involves dead bodies—or those alleged to be dead.

Israel’s very first successful heart transplant, in fact, used a stolen heart.

In 1968 Avraham Sadegat unexpectedly died two days after being hospitalized in Beilinson Hospital in Israel’s Petah Tikva for a stroke. When his family finally was able to retrieve his body (the hospital initially refused to release it) they found his chest covered with bandages; odd, they thought, for a stroke victim. Upon removing these they discovered that the chest cavity was stuffed with bandages and the heart was missing.21

During this time, the Israeli press was heralding the historic heart transplant, performed by a team of surgeons who were to become some of Israel’s most celebrated physicians, among them Dr. Morris Levy, Dr. Bernardo Vidne, and Dr Jack Solomon, who harvested the heart.22

When the family began to ask questions, the hospital denied any connection. After the man’s wife and brother had raised a media furor, petitioned three cabinet ministers—and agreed to sign a document that they would not sue—the hospital finally admitted it was Sadegat’s heart that had been used.

Haaretz quoted Sadegat’s tearful wife: “They treated him like an alley cat. From the moment he entered the hospital, they apparently saw him only as a potential source of organs and not as a man in need of treatment. They only thought about how to do the deed without us knowing.”

Sadegat’s medical condition before his heart was removed has not been made public. It is possible—perhaps probable—that up until his heart was removed it was still beating; according to an Israeli media report, “once a heart stops beating, it is no longer fit for transplantation.”23

Even if he was what is now termed “brain dead,” the general view is that family members should at least be a party to decisions regarding the patient: first, whether to “pull the plug,” and, second, whether to donate an organ. At the time, however, Israeli law allowed organs to be harvested without the family’s consent.

Forty years later the hospital held an anniversary celebration of the transplant, despite the fact that, according to Haaretz, the heart had been obtained “through deceit and trickery.” The festivities, which honored surviving members of the transplant team, featured balloons and a red, heart-shaped cake.

In this incident of organ theft (and from a possibly living body), the family was Israeli. Had the wife and brother been Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza, they would not have possessed the power to force a confession from the hospital, and it is likely that those individuals today calling the Swedish article a “blood libel” or “irresponsible journalism” would have applied the same epithets to journalists reporting questions concerning the historic Israeli heart transplant—if any reporters even bothered or dared to do so.

Yehuda Hiss, keeper of the morgue
Perhaps one of the most long-term and high-level cases of organ theft—and one that involves Palestinian as well as Israeli organs—concerns an extraordinarily high official: Dr. Yehuda Hiss, Israel’s chief pathologist and, from 1988 through 2004, director of Israel’s state morgue, the L. Greenberg Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir.

An early indication of malfeasance came to light in 1998 and concerned a Scottish man named Alisdair Sinclair, who had died under questionable circumstances after being taken into custody at Israel’s Ben-Gurion Airport.

The Israeli story, as reported by the Israeli news magazine Jerusalem Report, is that Sinclair had confessed to transporting drugs, even though none were found, although he was in possession of 9,000 German marks ($5,000). He then, the police claim, hanged himself by looping his shoelaces and T-shirt around a towel bar about a meter off the ground and slipped the improvised noose around his neck. From a squatting position, the police story goes, he repeatedly threw his bodyweight downward, choking himself.

Sinclair did not die, however, and medics were able to restore a heartbeat. He was transferred to a hospital where, according to the magazine report, the hospital’s associate director, Dr. Yigal Halperin, said that Sinclair “had suffered irreversible brain damage, and there was little doctors could do for him. Left in a corner of the emergency room, he died at 7 p.m. [It’s unknown whether he had been put on life support.] His corpse was transferred to the Institute for Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir for an autopsy.”

Afterwards, Israeli authorities located Sinclair’s family and gave them three weeks to dispose of the body. They suggested that he be buried in a Christian cemetery in Israel, pointing out that this would be one-third the cost of shipping the body back to Scotland. However, the grieving family scraped up the money to bring him home.

They had a second autopsy performed by Glasgow University, only to discover that Sinclair’s heart and a small bone in his throat called the hyoid were missing. The British Embassy filed a complaint with Israel, and a heart was sent to Scotland. According to the Jerusalem Report, the family “wanted the Forensic Institute to pay for a DNA test to confirm that this heart was indeed their brother’s, but the Institute’s director, Prof. Jehuda Hiss, refused, citing the prohibitive cost.”

Despite a protest from the British government, Israel refused to supply Hiss’s pathology findings or the police report. According to the British government and a report in the Israeli media, around the time of Sinclair’s death a doctor at Tel Aviv’s Ichilov Hospital put in a request for a hyoid bone for research purposes—and eventually received a bill for shipping costs.24 Israel retained Sinclair’s $5,000.

Through the years Hiss and the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic medicine continued to be accused of organ theft. In 2000 the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot published an investigative report alleging that Hiss had been extracting organs without permission and then packing the bodies with broomsticks and cotton wool to fill in cavities before burial. The report charged that under Hiss the institute had been involved in organ sales of body parts—“legs, thighs, ovaries, breasts and testicles,” allegedly to medical institutions.

In 2001 a district judge found the Institute had performed hundreds of autopsies and had removed body parts without the families’ permission—and sometimes in direct opposition to their expressed wishes.25 One report described a “museum of skulls” at the institute.

Little was done, however, and complaints continued—often by the parents of dead Israeli soldiers horrified to discover that body parts had been taken from their sons. Finally, in 2004 Israel’s health minister transferred directorship of the morgue itself away from Hiss. Hiss, however, retained his position as Israel’s chief pathologist, a post it appears he holds to this day.26, 27

Hiss had also been connected with two previous national scandals, both of which may have involved powerful people in Israel, which may account for his longevity in Israel’s medical establishment despite years of proven wrongdoing.

The first controversy concerned the “Yemenite Children’s Affair”—a situation, largely from the early 1950s, in which a thousand babies and small children of recent immigrants to Israel had “disappeared.”

When the immigrants had arrived as part of Israel’s “ingathering of the exiles,” babies were immediately taken from their mothers and placed in children’s houses. Many were hospitalized for a variety of ills, and hundreds died, their deaths coming in such large numbers that they were announced over loudspeakers.

The distraught parents often never saw the body or received a death certificate, and there were growing suspicions that not all had died—some, it was believed, had been “given” to Ashkenazi parents. One author writes: “It was a well-known fact within the Jewish community in the United States that if a family wanted a child they could go to [baby brokers, both rabbis] and simply pay the necessary fee.”28

Some Israeli investigators have found considerable evidence for these charges, and indications of complicity at multiple levels of the power structure. In fact, one researcher charges: “People in positions of power at the time that the State of Israel was established profited from the abduction and sale of children from poor immigrant families.”29

Hiss’ connection comes in 1997, when Israel finally had formed a committee to investigate the disappearance of Yemenite and other Jewish children in the years 1948-1954. Among those testifying before this committee was a California woman who had come to Israel searching for her biological mother—and, according to DNA testing by a geneticist at Hebrew University, had found her.

The committee demanded that another DNA test be conducted at the Abu Kabir forensic institute. As at least one observer predicted ahead of time, Hiss’s test came up negative, and the government was allegedly exonerated, despite the fact that the geneticist who had conducted the first tests stood by his results.30

Hiss also plays a role in some conspiracy theories regarding the 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin, who had begun a peace process with Palestinians. In March 1999 a group of academics presented findings alleging that Hiss had submitted false evidence to the commission that investigated the killing.31

Palestinian Victims
Israelis have also targeted Palestinians, a particularly vulnerable population on numerous levels.

In her congressional subcommittee testimony, Scheper-Hughes reported that before he moved overseas, Israeli hospital transplant head Zaki Shapira had located kidney sellers “amongst strapped Palestinian workers in Gaza and the West Bank.” She said that his “hand was slapped by an ethics board,” and he moved his practice overseas.

For decades numerous Palestinians and others have charged Israel with taking body parts from Palestinians they had wounded or killed.

In her subcommittee testimony, Scheper-Hughes testified that toward the end of the apartheid period in South Africa, “human rights groups in the West Bank complained to me of tissue and organs stealing of slain Palestinians by Israeli pathologists at the national Israeli legal medical institute in Tel Aviv.”

A Washington Report for Middle East Affairs article by Mary Barrett (see “Autopsies and Executions,” April 1990 Washington Report, p. 21) reported “widespread anxiety over organ thefts which has gripped Gaza and the West Bank since the intifada began in December of 1987.”

Barrett quotes a forensic physician: “There are indications that for one reason or another, organs, especially eyes and kidneys, were removed from the bodies during the first year or year and a half. There were just too many reports by credible people for there to be nothing happening. If someone is shot in the head and comes home in a plastic bag without internal organs, what will people assume?”

A 2002 news story from IRNA reported that three Palestinian boys aged 14-15 had been killed by Israeli forces on Dec. 30, their bodies finally being returned for burial on Jan. 6. According to the report: “shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the bodies.” In an interview on Al Jazeera, President Yasser Arafat held up photos of the boys, saying, “They murder our kids and use their organs as spare parts.”

Journalist Khalid Amayreh, recently investigating this topic further, found that “several other Palestinians gave a similar narrative, recounting how they received the bodies of their murdered relatives, mostly men in their early twenties, with vital organs taken away by the Israeli authorities.”

Israel has consistently characterized such accusations as “anti-Semitic,” and numerous other journalists have discounted them as exaggerations.

However, according to the pro-Israel Forward magazine, the truth of these charges was, in fact, confirmed by an Israeli governmental investigation a number of years ago.

In a recent story critical of the Swedish article, the Forward actually confirmed its main point, that Israel had been taking the body parts of slain Palestinians. The Forward article reported that one of the governmental investigations into Hiss had revealed that “he seemed to view every body that ended up in his morgue, whether Israeli or Palestinian, as fair game for organ harvesting.”32

Over the years, a great many Palestinian bodies have “ended up” in the Israeli morgue. In numerous cases Israeli occupation forces have taken custody of wounded or dead Palestinians. Sometimes their bodies are never returned to their grieving families—Palestinian NGOs say there are at least 250 such cases.

In other cases the bodies have been returned to the families days later, with crudely stitched naval-to-chin incisions. On many occasions Israeli soldiers have delivered the bodies late at night and required the bereaved families to bury their children, husbands, and brothers immediately, under Israeli military guard, sometimes with the electricity shut off.

Wizdom
15-02-10, 20:39
In 2005 an Israeli soldier33 described a military doctor who gave “medics lessons in anatomy” using the bodies of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces. Haaretz reports: “The soldier said that the Palestinian’s body had been riddled with bullets and that some of his internal organs had spilled out. The doctor pronounced the man dead and then ‘took out a knife and began to cut off parts of the body,’ the soldier said.

“‘He explained the various parts to us—the membrane that covers the lungs, the layers of the skin, the liver, stuff like that,’ the soldier continued. ‘I didn’t say anything because I was still new in the army. Two of the medics moved away, and one of them threw up. It was all done very brutally. It was simply contempt for the body.’”34

While most Israeli investigations into organ theft have largely ignored the Palestinian component, a number of significant facts are known:

Palestinian organs were harvested during years of an astonishingly lax system in which the body parts even of Jewish Israelis were extracted illicitly at the national morgue by the chief pathologist and exchanged for money.
Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are largely a captive population. Numerous reports by highly reputable Israeli and international organizations have documented a situation in which Palestinians have few if any real rights; Israeli forces have killed civilians with impunity, imprisoned massive numbers of people without benefit of trials, and routinely abused prisoners.
Israeli authorities have conducted numerous autopsies of Palestinians without permission of their families, without even a semblance of public transparency, and without, it appears, accompanying reports. For example, the families of those who were taken while still alive are not provided with a medical report stating time and cause of death.
A very small but significant minority of Israelis, including military officers and governmental ministers, hold extremist supremacist views relevant to organ extraction. In 1996, Jewish Week reported that Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh, a leader of the Lubavitch sect of Judaism and the dean of a religious Jewish school in a West Bank settlement, stated: “If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that.” Ginzburgh elaborated: “Jewish life has infinite value. There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.” [The Jewish Week, April 26, 1996, pp. 12, 31]
While most Israelis strenuously repudiate such beliefs, Rabbi Moshe Greenberg, an Israeli scholar on Jewish scriptural views on racism and ethnic chauvinism, has said, “The sad thing is, these statements are in our books.” Greenberg, who was a professor at Hebrew University, pointed out that such Talmudic texts were “purely theoretical” at the time of their writing, because Jews did not have the power to carry them out. Now, he pointed out, “they’re carried over into circumstances where Jews have a state and are empowered.”

While it is impossible to know whether any Israelis have ever acted on such religious permission to kill a non-Jew in order to provide body parts to Jews, some observers have considered this a possibility.

Dr. A. Clare Brandabur, a distinguished American scholar who has lived and traveled extensively in Palestine, writes that the information published in the Swedish article “resonates with reports from Palestinians in Gaza which I heard during the first intifada.”

She comments, “When I interviewed Dr. Haidar Abdul Shafi, head of the Red Crescent in Gaza, I mentioned to him reports of shootings of Palestinian children at times when there were no ‘clashes’ going on—a solitary 6-year-old entering his schoolyard in the morning with his bookbag on his back. The soldiers abducted the wounded child at gunpoint, then his body would be returned a few days later having undergone an ‘autopsy at Abu Kabir Hospital.’”

She says: “I asked Dr. Shafi if he had considered the possibility that these killings were being done for organ transplant, since (as Israel Shahak notes in Jewish History, Jewish Religion), it is not allowed to take Jewish organs to save a Jewish life, but it is allowed to take the organs of non-Jews to save Jewish lives. Dr. Shafi said he had suspected such things but since they had no access to the records of Abu Kabir Hospital, there was no way to verify these suspicions.”

Scheper-Hughes, in her congressional testimony, describes the danger of “organs got by any means possible including (I was told by one guilt-ridden practitioner) chemically inducing the signs of brain death in dying patients of no means and with access to minimal social support or family surveillance.”

Whether or not there have ever been organ-inspired murders in Israel as it appears there have elsewhere, numerous groups around the world are urging an international investigation into Israel’s handling of Palestinian bodies in its custody.

However, the Israeli government and its powerful advocates abroad, who regularly block investigations into Israeli actions, are doing their utmost to prevent this one.35, 36 Several lawsuits have been filed against the Swedish newspaper, the largest by Israeli lawyer and IDF officer Guy Ophir, who filed a $7.5 million lawsuit in New York against the newspaper and Bostrom. Ophir declared that Israel must “silence the reporter and the newspaper.”37

International investigations, of course, have two results: the innocent are absolved, the guilty discovered.

It is clear which category Israel believes it falls into.


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Alison Weir is executive director of If Americans Knew and is on the board of the Council for the National Interest.

Pizzaman
15-02-10, 20:49
Hoe walgelijk en mensonterend dat hele verhaal ook mag zijn,
in Haiti is dat op dit moment echt niet mogelijk.

Dat mens is dus terecht als 'dom wief' uit de delegatie gezet.
BTW dat noemen ze ook 'she had it coming'. Was niet de eerste keer.

Het hele verhaal, nogmaals, is walgelijk. Kan het bewezen worden?
Toch staat het niet alleen - ik heb ook moslims wel eens prijzen zien uitloven voor allerlei al dan niet vitale lichaamsdelen. Waar twee kijven, hebben twee schuld, toch?

The_Grand_Wazoo
15-02-10, 21:43
als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

dat barones tonge ontslagen is omdat ze een oproep gedaan heeft om te onderzoeken of de geruchten kloppen geeft wel een indicatie tot hoe diep de invloed vd zionlobby reikt in de britse poltiek.. hun tentakels reiken ver..

Misschien ... dus dan maar wel ... ronk ronk ... en El Qaida vertegenwoordigers zijn in Irak geweest, dus steunen Irakezen die club ... ronk, ronk

Zalig zijn de arme van geest, maar uiteindelijk komt er altijd bloed aan hun handen.

Armadillo
15-02-10, 22:27
Het kan zijn dat mensen die in het ziekenhuis liggen en bv wezen de prooi zijn. Organen uit lijken halen is vrij zinloos. Dan nog, je hebt iets van 24 uur. Wat een Israeli nou moet met organen van iemand wiens voorouders uit West-Afrika kwamen weet ik niet. Afstoten?

Het is helaas wel zo dat criminelen naar plaatsen trekken waar de wet niet gehandhaafd wordt - slimme criminelen hadden alleen veel eerder door kunnen hebben dat Haiti zo'n plek is.

Pizzaman
15-02-10, 23:40
Het kan zijn dat mensen die in het ziekenhuis liggen en bv wezen de prooi zijn. Organen uit lijken halen is vrij zinloos. Dan nog, je hebt iets van 24 uur. Wat een Israeli nou moet met organen van iemand wiens voorouders uit West-Afrika kwamen weet ik niet. Afstoten?
Om te bepalen of iemand een goede donor is (dus dat er geen afstoting plaatsvindt) zal je een hoop onderzoek moeten doen. Dat kan op dit moment niet in Haiti plaatsvinden. De herkomst is niet van belang, zelfs al waren er mensen RASSEN (hetgeen dikke kul is) dan nogmaakt het niet uit: het orgaan van een Rus of zwarte Zuidafrikaan kan heel goed worden geplaatst in een Chinees.


Het is helaas wel zo dat criminelen naar plaatsen trekken waar de wet niet gehandhaafd wordt - slimme criminelen hadden alleen veel eerder door kunnen hebben dat Haiti zo'n plek is.
Ja, ik denk dat VOOR de aardbeving er ook wel orgaan handel is geweest, immers importeerden 'ze' ook hele vrouwen voor ander doeleinden... Maar het is meer een kwestie van geld, als je dan toch organen wil importeren zijn er in bijvoorbeeld India goedkopere en dichterbij. Dus Haiti is eigenlijk vooral leverancier van hoeren voor de USA en Mexico, niet voor organen voor Israel... :fucyc:

mark61
16-02-10, 01:05
als er elders op de wereld gerommeld wordt met menselijke organen dan kan dat ook op haïti..
en aangezien zionisten er niet vies van zijn om zich met deze criminele praktijken bezig te houden is het zo gek niet dat ze dat mischien ook op haïti doen..

dat barones tonge ontslagen is omdat ze een oproep gedaan heeft om te onderzoeken of de geruchten kloppen geeft wel een indicatie tot hoe diep de invloed vd zionlobby reikt in de britse poltiek.. hun tentakels reiken ver..

Meneer is o zo zorgvuldig als het om de islam gaat.

Gaat het om 'joden', dan is elke roddel de heilige waarheid.

Man, schaam je je graf in.

mark61
16-02-10, 01:06
Het kan zijn dat mensen die in het ziekenhuis liggen en bv wezen de prooi zijn. Organen uit lijken halen is vrij zinloos. Dan nog, je hebt iets van 24 uur. Wat een Israeli nou moet met organen van iemand wiens voorouders uit West-Afrika kwamen weet ik niet. Afstoten?

Het is helaas wel zo dat criminelen naar plaatsen trekken waar de wet niet gehandhaafd wordt - slimme criminelen hadden alleen veel eerder door kunnen hebben dat Haiti zo'n plek is.

Nee, dat kan niet. Het hele verhaal is volstrekte onzin. Orgaantransplantatie vereist uitgebreide matching vooraf. Het hele idee is absurd.

Hoe jij erop komt dat organen racistisch zijn, ik weet het niet.

Soldim
16-02-10, 07:06
Hoe jij erop komt dat organen racistisch zijn, ik weet het niet.

Edoch, tot op zekere mate zijn ze het*. In hoeverre dat nurture vs. nature is, valt natuurlijk nog te bezien. Ik kwam ook nog iets tegen over beter functioneren van 'witte' nieren tov 'niet witte' nieren -- 't is dat die 'White supremacy' dat soort spul niet lezen, anders zouden ze het met genoegen gebruiken :hihi:



[* Transplant Proc. 2009 41(10):4125-30.
Effect of donor ethnicity on kidney survival in different recipient pairs: an analysis of the OPTN/UNOS database.]

mark61
16-02-10, 10:11
Edoch, tot op zekere mate zijn ze het*. In hoeverre dat nurture vs. nature is, valt natuurlijk nog te bezien. Ik kwam ook nog iets tegen over beter functioneren van 'witte' nieren tov 'niet witte' nieren -- 't is dat die 'White supremacy' dat soort spul niet lezen, anders zouden ze het met genoegen gebruiken :hihi:

[* Transplant Proc. 2009 41(10):4125-30.
Effect of donor ethnicity on kidney survival in different recipient pairs: an analysis of the OPTN/UNOS database.]

Hehe. Nou ja dat geloof ik ook wel, maar uiteindelijk zijn die kwesties dacht ik terug te voeren op (oorspronkelijke) omgevingsfactoren.

Tis nog niet algemeen bekend dacht ik.

Aït Ayt
16-02-10, 10:58
Hoe walgelijk en mensonterend dat hele verhaal ook mag zijn,
in Haiti is dat op dit moment echt niet mogelijk.

Dat mens is dus terecht als 'dom wief' uit de delegatie gezet.

jij vindt het goed dat mensen ontslagen worden als ze een gerucht de kop in wil laten drukken ?
en jij vindt het dom om voor te stellen om een gerucht de kop in te drukken middels een onderzoek ?


Het hele verhaal, nogmaals, is walgelijk. Kan het bewezen worden?

waarschijnlijk kan het niet bewezen worden want als je zou opperen om het te laten onderzoeken dan wordt je ontslagen en krijg je te horen dat je een antisemiet bent.. dat gebeurde nu al met de kwestie in haïti.. laat staan als het gebeurt met de kwestie israël.. zoals je hebt kunnen lezen worden er top advocaten ingeschakeld en lastercampagnes opgevoerd tegen mensen die het gore lef hebben om deze misdaden aan de kaak te stellen..


Toch staat het niet alleen - ik heb ook moslims wel eens prijzen zien uitloven voor allerlei al dan niet vitale lichaamsdelen. Waar twee kijven, hebben twee schuld, toch?

joepie, laten we het vooral weer over moslims gaan hebben..

Pizzaman
16-02-10, 12:58
jij vindt het goed dat mensen ontslagen worden als ze een gerucht de kop in wil laten drukken ?
en jij vindt het dom om voor te stellen om een gerucht de kop in te drukken middels een onderzoek ?
Ga nog maar eens goed lezen. Die mevrouw wil alleen een dik onderzoek om een stuk onzin waaar ze zelf de hand in heeft te promoten.



waarschijnlijk kan het niet bewezen worden want als je zou opperen om het te laten onderzoeken dan wordt je ontslagen en krijg je te horen dat je een antisemiet bent.. dat gebeurde nu al met de kwestie in haïti.. laat staan als het gebeurt met de kwestie israël.. zoals je hebt kunnen lezen worden er top advocaten ingeschakeld en lastercampagnes opgevoerd tegen mensen die het gore lef hebben om deze misdaden aan de kaak te stellen..
Het is allang inonderzoeken bewezen dat er organen worden geroofd. Althans, verkocht aan de hoogste bieder. Heb je aandelen in onderzoekscommissies?


joepie, laten we het vooral weer over moslims gaan hebben..
Nee, laten we vooral er op wijzen dat nioemand onschuldig is, vooral niet waar er een hop met veel poen zitten. OOK de christenen niet, trouwens.

Bar
16-02-10, 13:01
jij vindt het goed dat mensen ontslagen worden als ze een gerucht de kop in wil laten drukken ?
en jij vindt het dom om voor te stellen om een gerucht de kop in te drukken middels een onderzoek ?

Ik heb op internet gelezen dat alle moslims neigen naar pedofilie en dat ze na het vrijdaggebed joodse kindjes slachten en verorberen.

Ik wil graag een groots opgezet onderzoek naar deze geruchten, door de VN. Mijn motivatie is dat ik deze geruchten wil ontzenuwen.:engel:

Aït Ayt
16-02-10, 13:21
Ik heb op internet gelezen dat alle moslims neigen naar pedofilie en dat ze na het vrijdaggebed joodse kindjes slachten en verorberen.

Ik wil graag een groots opgezet onderzoek naar deze geruchten, door de VN. Mijn motivatie is dat ik deze geruchten wil ontzenuwen.:engel:

je voorbeeld is over the top maar ik zou niet weten waarom je op grond van dit voorstel ontslagen zou kunnen worden door je baas..

Soldim
16-02-10, 13:23
je voorbeeld is over the top maar ik zou niet weten waarom je op grond van dit voorstel ontslagen zou kunnen worden door je baas..

Ik kan me bijzonder goed voorstellen dat een baas niet wil dat dergelijke personen als vertegenwoordiger van hem/haar optreden.

Aït Ayt
16-02-10, 13:39
Die mevrouw wil alleen een dik onderzoek om een stuk onzin waaar ze zelf de hand in heeft te promoten.

ze wil een onderzoek om de geruchten de kop in te drukken.. en nee ze heeft zelf geen hand in die geruchten.. integendeel, ze keurt die geruchten juist af.. mischien moet je de teksten anders nog maar eens gaan lezen..


Het is allang inonderzoeken bewezen dat er organen worden geroofd. Althans, verkocht aan de hoogste bieder. Heb je aandelen in onderzoekscommissies?

als je ook maar met de vinger wijst naar israel inzake dit onderwerp dan krijg je advocaten op je dak en wordt je weggezet als antisemiet..

"In August Sweden’s largest daily newspaper published an article containing grisly evidence suggesting that Israel had been taking Palestinian internal organs. The article, by veteran photojournalist Donald Bostrom, called for an international investigation to discover the facts.
(...) Israel immediately accused Bostrom and the newspaper of “anti-Semitism,” and charged that suggesting Israelis could be involved in the illicit removal of body parts constituted a modern “blood libel” (medieval stories of Jews killing people for their blood). Numerous Israeli partisans repeated these accusations, including Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin, who asserted that the story was “merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of European funded and promoted anti-Israel hate.”3 Others suggested that the newspaper was “irresponsible” for running such an article.
(...)
However, the Israeli government and its powerful advocates abroad, who regularly block investigations into Israeli actions, are doing their utmost to prevent this one. Several lawsuits have been filed against the Swedish newspaper, the largest by Israeli lawyer and IDF officer Guy Ophir, who filed a $7.5 million lawsuit in New York against the newspaper and Bostrom. Ophir declared that Israel must “silence the reporter and the newspaper."

een zweedse krant is aangeklaagd en krijgt samen met hun reporter een lastercampagne over zich heen en worden weggezet als jodenhaters.. en barones tonge wordt ontslagen en krijgt ook het etiket jodenhater op haar naam geplakt omdat ze het gore lef had om te opperen om een greucht de kop in te laten drukken middels een onderzoek..
dus om terug te komen op je vragen of dit soort zaken bewezen kunnen worden luidt het antwoord : nee.. dit kan niet bewezen worden zolang israel en de zionlobby middels emotionele chantage de boel blokkeren door hun troef uit te spelen dat kritiek op israel jodenhaat is..




Nee, laten we vooral er op wijzen dat nioemand onschuldig is, vooral niet waar er een hop met veel poen zitten. OOK de christenen niet, trouwens.

hoezo is niemand onschuldig ? wil je beweren dat ik in de illegale organenhandel zit ? waar slaat het op om moslims als geloofsgroep erbij te betrekken ?

Aït Ayt
16-02-10, 13:42
Ik kan me bijzonder goed voorstellen dat een baas niet wil dat dergelijke personen als vertegenwoordiger van hem/haar optreden.

als er in de media verschillende artikelen gepubliceerd zijn dat moslims na het vrijdagmiddag gebed joodse kinderen slachten en opeten en er zouden al tal van moslims opgepakt zijn door justitie vanwege deze praktijken en er zouden tal van getuigenissen bestaan van zowel moslims als joden die deze geruchten onderbouwen dan lijkt het me bepaald niet verkeerd dat er geopperd wordt om dit te laten onderzoeken wanneer er soortgelijke geruchten de kop op steken..

Soldim
16-02-10, 14:06
als er in de media verschillende artikelen gepubliceerd zijn dat moslims na het vrijdagmiddag gebed joodse kinderen slachten en opeten en er zouden al tal van moslims opgepakt zijn door justitie vanwege deze praktijken en er zouden tal van getuigenissen bestaan van zowel moslims als joden die deze geruchten onderbouwen dan lijkt het me bepaald niet verkeerd dat er geopperd wordt om dit te laten onderzoeken wanneer er soortgelijke geruchten de kop op steken..


De PVV zou een dergelijk onderzoek inderdaad waarschijnlijk steunen -- serieuze politieke partijen zouden dergelijke berichten terrecht afdoen als anti-Islamitische stemming-makerij.

mark61
16-02-10, 14:19
je voorbeeld is over the top maar ik zou niet weten waarom je op grond van dit voorstel ontslagen zou kunnen worden door je baas..

Ze is niet ontslagen. Ik snap niet waarom jij altijd zo fantastisch kan mierenneuken over islamitische teksten, maar voor de rest het leesvermogen van een zesjarige lijkt te hebben.