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Olive Yao
29-03-10, 12:32
(...) that the establishment of Israel allowed the Jews to normalise, to become “a nation like other nations”. But what exactly is the nation of Israel? In other countries, the answer is relatively simple: the French nation, for example, is the collection of people who hold French citizenship; it is, in other words, the sum of French citizens. But the Israeli nation is something different. According to Israel’s founding laws, the state belongs not just to the people who live in Israel, to its citizens (one in fi ve of whom is ethnically Arab), but to the Jewish people wherever they live around the world and whatever other nationalities – American, French, British, Argentinian – they consider themselves to be. As the Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling points out: “The state is not defined as belonging to its citizens, but to the entire Jewish people”.40


SEPARATE NATIONALITIES, UNEQUAL CITIZENS

The murkiness of Israel’s self-definition is underscored by the privileged status various international Zionist organisations, including the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund, enjoy in Israeli law. They have a semi-governmental status, including owning vast tracts of Israeli land, even though their charters require them to act exclusively in the interests of world Jewry.

As a consequence, Arab citizens’ exclusion from the Israeli and Jewish nation has very concrete effects both on their social position in Israel and the possibility of developing a civic identity. For example, there are some 137 possible nationalities that can be recorded on Israeli identity cards: from Jew, Georgian, Russian and Hebrew through to Arab, Druze, Abkhazi, Assyrian and Samaritan. Everything, in fact, apart from Israeli.41 This is because the state refuses to acknowledge that the Israeli nation can be separated from the Jewish nation. The two are seen as identical, meaning that non-Jews in Israel, including the population of more than one million Palestinians, are effectively citizens without a nationality; they are more akin to permanent residents. The state’s approach suggests that it regards the nation of Israel as including potentially millions of Jews who do not live in Israel and do not have Israeli citizenship and as excluding the more than one million Palestinians who do live in Israel and do have Israeli citizenship.

The courts have consistently upheld this position. In 1971, for example, when an Israeli Jew petitioned the Supreme Court to have his nationality changed from Jewish to Israeli in public records, Chief Justice Shimon Agranat rejected the application, arguing:

If there is in the country today – just 23 years after the establishment of the state – a bunch of people, or even more, who ask to separate themselves from the Jewish people and to achieve for themselves the status of a distinct Israeli nation, then such a separatist approach should not be seen as a legitimate approach.42

Agranat’s ruling was confirmed by the courts again in early 2004.

The difficulty facing the Israeli legal system is that to recognise a common Israeli nationality – to recognise in effect a shared bond of citizenship between Jews and Arabs inside Israel – would negate the intentions of the country’s founding fathers, who premised their state on the principle that it was a haven-in-waiting for the whole Jewish people, wherever they lived. In this sense the legal concept of Israeli nationality is unlike that found on the statute books anywhere else in the world. Jews and Arabs may share the same label of “Israeli” but they are different kinds of nationals and citizens: the former are included in the notion of a common national good, while the latter are excluded.

Consider just one example of the racist implications of this view of Israeli nationality, sanctioned by both the state and the courts. Although almost all land in Israel is nationalised, the state publicly admits that it does not hold it for the benefi t of the country’s citizens. It is held, in trust, on behalf of Jewish people around the world. The land of Israel is the property not of the Israeli people but of the Jewish nation, of Jews everywhere and for all time. As a result, Arab citizens have no rights to most of the country’s territory, and legally can be excluded from the communities built on that territory. A Jew from Brooklyn and his or her children and unborn children enjoy absolute and eternal rights in Israel (even if they choose not to realise those rights), while a Palestinian citizen living in Nazareth or Haifa, whose family has lived on the land now called Israel for many generations, does not. In 2002 Prime Minister Ariel Sharon explained the difference during a Knesset debate when he observed that while Arab citizens enjoyed “rights in the land” – they had tenants’ rights – “all rights over the Land of Israel are Jewish rights”.43 In short, the state considers the Jewish people as the landlords of Israel.

The difference in the nature of the nationality enjoyed by Jews and Arabs is embodied at the most basic level in an early piece of immigration legislation called the Law of Return. Passed in 1950, two years after the establishment of the state, the Law of Return was designed to ensure that the demographic ghost of the Palestinian homeland on which the Jewish state was built never return to haunt it. It gives a right to every Jew in the world to migrate to Israel and receive automatic citizenship while barring the return of Palestinians exiled by the 1948 war. The legislation skews the demographic realities in Israel so that Jewish numerical dominance can be maintained in perpetuity. It has eased the passage of some three million Jews to Israel, and disinherited the 750,000 Palestinians who were either expelled or terrorised out of the country under cover of war, and millions of their descendants. The consequence of the Law of Return – if not its purpose – has been to ensure that inside Israel the Jewish population maintains an unassailable numerical majority over what remains of the Palestinian population.


THE JEWISH STATE DEFINED

The Jewish identity of the state, and the permanent marginalisation of the Palestinian citizens it was forced to inherit in 1948, was enshrined in the country’s founding document, the Declaration of Independence, which mentions only the history, culture and collective memory of the Jewish people.44 It speaks not on behalf of the country’s citizens but on behalf of the representatives of the Jewish people, as well as the Zionist movements, including the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund.45 These organisations, which enjoy a legal right to discriminate in favour of Jews, control social, political and economic benefits for Jews only.

Despite a pledge in the Declaration of Independence to produce a constitution within six months of the establishment of the state, no document has yet been drawn up. One of the insuperable obstacles facing the drafters has been how to embody the ethnic and religious values of a Jewish state without resorting to clearly discriminatory language.46 A flavour, however, of what values the courts think a “Jewish state” embodies have been provided by the current chief justice, Aharon Barak, considered one of the most progressive and secular voices in Israel:

[The] Jewish state is the state of the Jewish people … it is a state in which every Jew has the right to return … it is a state where the language is Hebrew and most of its holidays represent its national rebirth … a Jewish state is a state which developed a Jewish culture, Jewish education and a loving Jewish people … a Jewish state derives its values from its religious heritage, the Bible is the basic of its books and Israel’s prophets are the basis of its morality. A Jewish state is also a state where the Jewish Law fulfills a signify cant role … a Jewish state is a state in which the values of Israel, Torah, Jewish heritage and the values of the Jewish halacha [religious law] are the bases of its values.47

Instead of a constitution, Israel has 11 Basic Laws, none of which guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of religion or, most importantly, equality. The Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty, passed in 1992 and the nearest thing Israel has to a Bill of Rights, fails to include equality among the rights it enumerates, instead emphasising the values of the state as “Jewish and democratic”. As a result, state-organised discrimination cannot easily be challenged in the courts. Repeated attempts by Arab Knesset members to introduce an amendment to the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty incorporating the principle of equality have been rejected by an overwhelming majority of Jewish MKs.48 (In any case, since the 1948 war Israel has never revoked a state of emergency that allows gross violations of human rights inside Israel).49


ISRAEL’S PACT BETWEEN THE RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR

The veiling of the religious and ethnic discrimination at the heart of Israel has been partly achieved through the seemingly unimportant decision of its founding fathers to remove the state from all matters of personal status. Each religious community has been left to regulate issues relating to its members’ births, deaths and marriages. In these core matters in each citizen’s life there are no civil institutions or courts to which he or she can turn. It is neither possible to register as an atheist or agnostic, nor formally to bring up one’s children as secular citizens. Instead, the leaderships of each of the main religious communities – Jew, Muslim, Christian and Druze – have been given exclusive powers to deal with their own members. Anyone belonging to the Arab Christian community of the Greek Orthodox faith, for example, must seek a divorce in a Greek Orthodox religious court before a panel of clergy in proceedings possibly carried out in Greek, with translation for the Arab participants, and according to Byzantine laws dating back to the fourteenth century.50 Similarly, no civil marriage is possible in Israel, forcing citizens from different religious communities to marry abroad.

Rather than encouraging diversity, Israel has used the “subcontracting out” of personal status matters as a way to create a series of ethnic and communal partitions. There is no room for civil society to flourish when the state has abandoned its citizen to their religious ghettos, and the arbitrary decisions of their religious leaders. Instead individual citizens have been left to fight lonely battles to establish their rights in the most private areas of their lives, without the help or protection of civil institutions and laws. By refusing to offer an alternative, secular identity to its citizens in addition to that offered by the religious authorities, or to arbitrate in disputes between individuals and their confessional group, the state leaves citizens prey to anachronistic traditions and the whims of bigots. In Israel, the most lively public debates concentrate on arcane personal status issues, such as the battles to ease marriage restrictions, allow public venues to open on the Sabbath, and end the Jewish Orthodox’s iron grip on conversion. There is no room to adopt a more critical civil discourse, one that questions the huge budgetary requirements of Israel’s military or the economic policies that have opened up huge disparities in wealth and employment.

The authority wielded by the various religious leaderships, rather than equalising the status of the different religions before the law, has served to entrench an especially privileged place for Judaism in Israel, as the religion of the majority. The Hebrew calendar and the Jewish religious holidays are the only ones recognised; offices, banks, institutions and public transport shut down for the Jewish Sabbath only; restaurants, factories and public institutions are obligated to follow only the hygiene practices of Jews; only Jewish holy sites are recognised and protected by law; almost the entire budget of the Religious Affairs Ministry is reserved for Jewish places of worship, cemeteries, seminaries and religious institutions;51 and Jewish religious schools receive resources far outstripping those given to state-run Jewish and Arab education.52

Conversion, which would at least offer a route, if a problematic one, to inter-confessional marriage inside Israel and lower the barriers between religious communities, has been made all but impossible in the case of Judaism. In an agreement forged in the earliest days of the Jewish state, control over personal status matters was passed exclusively to rabbis representing Orthodoxy, a fundamentalist stream of Judaism and the least progressive of its major movements.

As well as insisting on a purist definition of who is registered as a Jew (only those born to a Jewish mother), the Orthodox rabbinate in Israel approves only a handful of conversions to the Jewish faith each year, requiring that converts accept a fundamentalist interpretation of Judaism, including observance of halacha (Judaism’s equivalent of sharia law). Conversions performed in Israel by rabbis belonging to other streams, such as the Conservative and Reform movements, are not recognised by the state.

This pact between the state and Orthodoxy has averted any threat, however improbable, of Palestinian citizens converting en masse to Judaism and thereby ending their exclusion from the centres of power. But it has also caused collateral damage, making life extremely difficult for Jews living in Israel who are not considered Jewish by the Orthodox rabbinate, including more than a quarter of a million immigrants who arrived in the last 15 years following the collapse of the Soviet Union.53 Because they are the non-Jewish spouses of returning Jews, or the offspring of such marriages, they find themselves unable to wed in Israel,54 to be buried in Jewish cemeteries, or to be registered as a Jew on their identity cards. Their children inherit this flaw.

Religious control over personal status matters has erected impenetrable barriers between Jews and Arabs in both the communal and the individual sphere. The policy has undermined any awareness of shared interests between Israel’s different confessions; instead, communal groups must battle for resources that benefit their members alone rather than forging alliances that might unite groups on other bases. The arrangements put in place by the state have forced citizens to remain in a sectarian, tribal formation – as Jews, Muslims, Christians and Druze – vying for resources and privileges.

In this hierarchy of citizenship, given the state’s definition as a Jewish state, the Jewish majority is always the winner by some considerable margin;55 lagging a great distance behind are the Christian Arab denominations, which, because of their historic links to the global Churches, have enjoyed better opportunities for education and travel;56 next comes the small Druze community, treated by the state as a national minority separate from the Arab population whose members are obligated in law to perform military service alongside Jews; and in last place is to be found the large Muslim population, comprising 80 per cent of the country’s Palestinian minority, which has been entirely marginalised.


uit Jonathan Cook, Blood and religion

Soldim
29-03-10, 12:44
But what exactly is the nation of Israel? In other countries, the answer is relatively simple: the French nation, for example, is the collection of people who hold French citizenship; it is, in other words, the sum of French citizens.

Het hele begrip natie is op zich al een raar phenomeen, en nogal kunstmatig in stand gehouden -- israel voegt daar nog eens een extra laag aan toe.

mark61
29-03-10, 12:56
'Natie' is een aan de verbeelding ontsproten begrip waarmee niets in de werkelijkheid correspondeert.

In het Engels wordt sowieso zeer slordig met de term omgesprongen, soms betekent het niet meer dan 'land'.

Het bizarre is het onheilige huwelijk tussen (seculier) nationalisme en godsdienstwaanzin in Israel. Wat vervolgens ontkend wordt.

David vs Goliath
29-03-10, 12:58
Het hele begrip natie is op zich al een raar phenomeen, en nogal kunstmatig in stand gehouden -- israel voegt daar nog eens een extra laag aan toe.

Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid in de voetsporen van Dante : de eerste denker die van Italie een natie had willen maken ....in de voetsporen van Fichte & al die ander Duits filosofen denkers ...in de voetsporen van de Fransen... kunstmatig illusie : de staat & natie als de vervanger van de kerk
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die joden hadden er belang bij om die begrippen te verspreiden om later hun eigen staat in historisch palestina te legetimeren & te rechgtvaardigen ...zionisten hadden het begrip joodse volk verzonen ...de rest is bekend ...

israel is gebaseerd op religie notabene , dus ..

u should also ask urself 'bout what it really means to be Ducth for example = a fabricated illusion :

globalisation puts that concept of nation to the test as never before ..

mark61
29-03-10, 13:00
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid in de voetsporen van Dante

Straal gelul.

Weer zo'n antisemiet.

Sallahddin
29-03-10, 13:01
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid in de voetsporen van Dante : de eerste denker die van Italie een natie had willen maken ....in de voetsporen van Fichte & al die ander Duits filosofen denkers ...in de voetsporen van de Fransen... kunstmatig illusie : de staat & natie als de vervanger van de kerk
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die joden hadden er belang bij om die begrippen te verspreiden om later hun eigen staat in historisch palestina te legetimeren & te rechgtvaardigen ...zionisten hadden het begrip joodse volk verzonen ...de rest is bekend ...

israel is gebaseerd op religie notabene , dus ..

u should also ask urself 'bout what it really means to be Ducth for example = a fabricated illusion :

globalisation puts that concept of nation to the test as never before ..


Precies : the concept of state , nationality, nationalism ....are just fabricated illusions to replace the church ...

Sallahddin
29-03-10, 13:10
Straal gelul.

Weer zo'n antisemiet.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

u're dressed & tamed like a Pavlov dog that whenever u hear see ...something against zionists or jews :even if that w'd be facts , u automatically react the same irrational hysteric way condemning that with no form of criticism or thought, reason ...whatsoever ...

Lees' de handtekening van David vs Goliath : it's an honor to be called an antisemite : thanks :

wat ik zei had ik gelezen in deze prachtig boek , geschreven door een heel bekend sociolinguist waar ik de naam straks zal geven :

"Identity & language : ethnic, religious , national !

That US famous scientist can't be accused of antiisemitism ...


what's going on with u , guys :

historic & other facts 'bout jews are synonymous of ...antisemitism ???

zionists had tamed u like no one else did : mentally, psychologically, spiritually,politically, economically ...= THE ultimate jewish revenge for all those centuries of persecution ...i see...

jews or zionists are no sacred cows , western hindu , they 're just people like u & me :

...

Slinger
29-03-10, 13:19
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd in de voetsporen van Dante

Wat een bizarre onzin!

super ick
11-10-10, 19:25
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid

Welke waren dat dan?

En wat is precies het verschil tussen de geloofsclaims van moslims en die van Joden op bepaalde plaatsen en streken?

Kleine letters a.u.b.

BlackBox
11-10-10, 19:36
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid in de voetsporen van Dante : de eerste denker die van Italie een natie had willen maken ....in de voetsporen van Fichte & al die ander Duits filosofen denkers ...in de voetsporen van de Fransen... kunstmatig illusie : de staat & natie als de vervanger van de kerk
:

die joden hadden er belang bij om die begrippen te verspreiden om later hun eigen staat in historisch palestina te legetimeren & te rechgtvaardigen ...zionisten hadden het begrip joodse volk verzonen ...de rest is bekend ...

israel is gebaseerd op religie notabene , dus ..

u should also ask urself 'bout what it really means to be Ducth for example = a fabricated illusion :

globalisation puts that concept of nation to the test as never before ..
Hugo de Groot was joods en heeft zijn ideeën ontleend aan Dante?

ronald
11-10-10, 22:28
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die joden hadden er belang bij om die begrippen te verspreiden om later hun eigen staat in historisch palestina te legetimeren & te rechgtvaardigen ...zionisten hadden het begrip joodse volk verzonen ...de rest is bekend ...



Ex 5,1

"Hierna gingen Mozes en Aäron naar de farao, en ze zeiden tegen hem: ‘Dit zegt de HEER, de God van Israël: Laat mijn volk gaan, om in de woestijn ter ere van mij een feest te vieren.’ "
Je gaat me toch niet vertellen dat je meent dat de Tora na Herzl is vervalst?

Mozes modern? Muahh...misschien wel....zijn woorden zijn nog zeer actueel.

super ick
12-10-10, 09:40
Ex 5,1

"Hierna gingen Mozes en Aäron naar de farao, en ze zeiden tegen hem: ‘Dit zegt de HEER, de God van Israël: Laat mijn volk gaan, om in de woestijn ter ere van mij een feest te vieren.’ "
Je gaat me toch niet vertellen dat je meent dat de Tora na Herzl is vervalst?

Mozes modern? Muahh...misschien wel....zijn woorden zijn nog zeer actueel.

HEt is een zware taak om tot het uitverkoren volk te behoren.
'Jullie' zijn anders regelmatig de lul.

Maaaaaaar ik neem aan dat dat ook in de boeken geschreven staat. Eerst het zuur en dan het zoet (waar heb ik dat meer gehoord?)

Soldim
12-10-10, 09:46
Eerst het zuur en dan het zoet (waar heb ik dat meer gehoord?)

Bij een van die rechtse kabinetten van het afgelopen decenium.

super ick
13-10-10, 08:14
Bij een van die rechtse kabinetten van het afgelopen decenium.

:hihi: Je weet het ook nog!

Olive Yao
10-12-11, 19:13
Israëlische schrijver mag zich registreren als ongelovige

ANP / Trouw 2 oktober 2011

De Israëlische schrijver Yoram Kaniuk mag zich voortaan als ongelovige bij de burgerlijke stand laten registreren. Hij heeft een proces daarover tegen het ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken in Jeruzalem gewonnen, meldde de krant Haaretz zondag.

Kaniuk (81) wilde de vermelding 'jood' in 'geen geloof' vervangen, maar het ministerie weigerde dat. De rechter oordeelde dat de vrijheid van godsdienst een vrijheid is die is ontleend aan de menselijke waardigheid en dat Israël het recht om geen geloof te hebben erkent.


A new battle to change what it means to be jewish in Israel

Laurent Zecchini, Le Monde 10 november 2011

A veteran of Israel’s 1948 war, Yoram Kaniuk is a well-known and outspoken critic of the Israeli government. But the 81-year-old Jewish writer has sparked a wider debate by fighting for his right to be “religionless”. It is a personal cause that could have major political ramifications.

JERUSALEM - Is he a dangerous terrorist looking to undermine Israel by attacking the Jewish religion at its foundation? Prize-winning Israeli writer Yoram Kaniuk has been accused of that – and many other things. A soldier in the 1948 war who went on to be an activist preaching peace between Jews and Palestinians, Kaniuk is the author of 25 books translated in a dozen languages. In those works he explores a recurring theme: Jewish identity.

When you finally meet Kaniuk, you realize that the 81-year-old actually enjoys being controversial. It all started with his grandson, Omri, who asked him: “Grandpa, why aren’t you like me?” Kaniuk’s wife is Christian, meaning according to rabbinic law, their daughter can’t be Jewish. Neither, therefore, is her son, Omri, who is classified as “religionless” on the register.

That’s when Kaniuk, who has “always loved Judaism, as a memory, a culture, a history”, but who doesn’t believe in God, decided to become “religionless” too. But the Israeli Interior Ministry refused. To change his formal religious status, he had to give a certificate proving he converted to another faith.

Kaniuk’s goal, however, was to have no religion at all, meaning he had no interest in conversion. He fought the Ministry in court – and eventually prevailed.

A Tel Aviv court recently granted his request. “Religion is a freedom derived from the right to human dignity”, ruled judge Gideon Ginat. This historic ruling galvanized hundreds of Israelis who like Kaniuk, believe Judaism has been perverted by its association with the state of Israel.

“For me it was about the principle. I want to live in a country where religion is a choice, not a dogma. We cannot accept a democracy that is ruled by a dogma, otherwise [Israel] becomes Iran or Saudi Arabia”, the elderly writer says.

Posing dangerous questions
The ultra-orthodox Shas party that controls Israel’s Interior Ministry sees this court decision as a Pandora’s box. For them, Kaniuk is a dangerous troublemaker, especially since he is asking the most sacrilegious of questions: “What does it mean to be Jewish?”

Never has this existential question been asked with such force in a country where secularists feel increasingly besieged by religious forces. For Kaniuk, the answer is quite simple: “One should be able to be Jewish without being of Jewish faith”. That is to say that the Jewish identity isn’t the same as the Jewish faith.

In Israel, judges and intellectuals don’t have a say in the “Halacha”, Jewish law. Rabbis do. Among them, Kaniuk says the ultra-orthodox have created “a real dictatorship over the rabbinate”, making Judaism “a rabbinic racism”. The monopoly held by the orthodox Haredim over marriage, divorce and burial rites is slowly pushing people to revolt.

A growing number of practicing Jews choose private weddings in order to escape the Rabbinate, which has strong ties among politicians, including member of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament. That same legislature will soon have to make a decision on the official definition of Israel. Right now it is classified as a “Jewish and democratic State”. Depending on how the Knesset votes, Israel could become a “State of the Jewish people”. The priority would be clear: Jewish first, then democratic. This all falls in line with a move by the Israeli prime minister, who asked Palestinians to recognize Israel as a “Jewish State”.

Sari Nusseibeh, chairman of the Al-Quds Palestinian University, underlines the ambiguity of the word “Jewish,” which he says refers to the Israelite race and its descendants, as well as to those who practice the Jewish faith. Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State would make it either a theocracy or an apartheid State. Either way it would stop being a democracy. And that is at the foundation of why Kaniuk, whose bestsellers include the 2006 The Last Jew, would rather be “religionless”.


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knuppeltje
11-12-11, 09:09
En wat is precies het verschil tussen de geloofsclaims van moslims en die van Joden op bepaalde plaatsen en streken?

Een land.

Olive Yao
06-12-12, 19:08
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De staatsinrichting van Israël, en de achterliggende 'rationale' zijn totaal verward en tegenstrijdig. Daarom heeft Israël ook geen grondwet; het kan er geen hebben. Je kan niet tegelijkertijd een raciale theocratie en een seculiere veelvolkerenrepubliek zijn.

The murkiness of Israel’s self-definition (...)





Israël kent het uiteraard het recht op het Israëlische staatsburgeschap. Iedereen, waar ter wereld ook, die kan aantonen dat hij een joodse grootouder heeft, heeft bij wet het recht daarop, kan dat aanvragen en zich in Israël vestigen. Daarbij wordt die dan door Israël langs alle kanten financieel gesteund. Dat daardoor dan weer opnieuw op grond van Palestijnen gebouwd wordt, is volgens Israëlische denkwijze logisch.
Maar een Palestijn uit Israël die met een Palestijn uit de bezette gebieden trouwt, die moet naar de bezette gebieden of elders vertrekken, want het paar heeft dan niet het recht om samen in Israël te wonen. Allemaal keurig netjes bij wet geregeld.
Voor Palestijnen ligt dat anders. Nadat in 1948 het leger meer dan 400 Palestijnse dorpen had geëgaliseerd, nadat de bewoners waren gevlucht, verviel alles wat zij daar achterlieten door de nog steeds geldende wet op de grondpolitiek van 1948 aan de staat, werden de Palestijnen die naar andere dorpen waren gevlucht daar niet ingeschreven. Daarnaast werden in 1965, bij het opnieuw in kaart brengen van Israël, ook nog eens van alle Palestijnse dorpen in Israël er slechts 123 als legaal aangemerkt. Alle andere werden daarmee inclusief de inwoners bij wet als illegaal verklaard. Al hun akkertjes zijn onteigend. Dat gebeurde om er een bos aan te planten, er sportvelden voor de joodse kinderen aan te leggen, of door het voor de Palestijnen onmogelijk te maken om erbij te geraken door er wegen af te sluiten en tal van andere redenen. Bij wet is het zo geregeld dat elke Palestijnse meter grond die 5 jaar braak blijft liggen automatisch aan de staat vervalt en door het al in 1948 in het leven geroepen JNF (Joods Nationaal Fonds) alleen voor joodse doeleinden wordt aangewend. Allemaal keurig netjes bij wet geregeld. Gewoon zorgen dat ze niet bij hun akkertjes kunnen, en het valt allemaal automatisch in je schoot, helemaal geen gedoe nodig en allemaal legaal.
Die bewoners hebben officieel nergens recht op, hebben geen staatsburgerschap, en vallen onder het militaire gezag en worden officieel, echt, een normaal mens krijgt het niet verzonnen, aangeduid als de 'niet geregistreerde aanwezigen'. Ondertussen zijn er dat bij elkaar zo'n goeie 4 miljoen rechtelozen. Dit hele gedoe houdt Israël angstvallig in stand om de schijn te wekken dat de joodse bevolkingsdeel veruit in de meerderheid is.
Anderzijds klinken er in Israël regelmatig bange geluiden op dat die meerderheid wel eens snel zou kunnen achterhaald worden.

Maar ook Palestijnen die wel het Israëlische staatsburgerschap hebben worden er op alle fronten zwaar gediscrimineerd. Vooral op alle normale sociale voorzieningen zoals huisvesting, energievoorziening, gezondheidszorg, onderwijs, uitkeringen, reispapieren, en zelfs ook op stemrecht.
Kortom, ook die Palestijnen worden niet als volwaardige staatsburgers beschouwd, laat staan als zodanig behandeld, verre van daar.

Hoe het zit met Palestijnse vluchtelingen die destijds naar elders zijn gevlucht, is bekend. Voor hen telt blijkbaar niet het internationaal erkende recht op terugkeer.

Knuppeltje, aangaande je eerste zin:

The courts have consistently upheld this position. In 1971, for example, when an Israeli Jew petitioned the Supreme Court to have his nationality changed from Jewish to Israeli in public records, Chief Justice Shimon Agranat rejected the application, arguing:

If there is in the country today – just 23 years after the establishment of the state – a bunch of people, or even more, who ask to separate themselves from the Jewish people and to achieve for themselves the status of a distinct Israeli nation, then such a separatist approach should not be seen as a legitimate approach.42

Agranat’s ruling was confirmed by the courts again in early 2004.

knuppeltje
07-12-12, 08:40
Het waren vooraal joodse denkers die nationalisme & het begrip staat hadden gestimuleerd & verspreid in de voetsporen van Dante : de eerste denker die van Italie een natie had willen maken ....in de voetsporen van Fichte & al die ander Duits filosofen denkers ...in de voetsporen van de Fransen... kunstmatig illusie : de staat & natie als de vervanger van de kerk
:

die joden hadden er belang bij om die begrippen te verspreiden om later hun eigen staat in historisch palestina te legetimeren & te rechgtvaardigen ...zionisten hadden het begrip joodse volk verzonen ...de rest is bekend ...

israel is gebaseerd op religie notabene , dus ..

u should also ask urself 'bout what it really means to be Ducth for example = a fabricated illusion :

globalisation puts that concept of nation to the test as never before ..

Kun jij niet gewoon onder je stoeptegel blijven?

knuppeltje
07-12-12, 08:42
ivm knuppeltjes topic

Heb ik een topic? Christenmeziele, hoe kom ik daar weer vanaf?

knuppeltje
07-12-12, 08:43
Ex 5,1

"Hierna gingen Mozes en Aäron naar de farao, en ze zeiden tegen hem: ‘Dit zegt de HEER, de God van Israël: Laat mijn volk gaan, om in de woestijn ter ere van mij een feest te vieren.’ "
Je gaat me toch niet vertellen dat je meent dat de Tora na Herzl is vervalst?

Mozes modern? Muahh...misschien wel....zijn woorden zijn nog zeer actueel.

Ik kan me inderdaad niet voorstellen dat ze daar zolang mee gewacht hebben. :confused:

knuppeltje
07-12-12, 09:18
Knuppeltje, aangaande je eerste zin:

The courts have consistently upheld this position. In 1971, for example, when an Israeli Jew petitioned the Supreme Court to have his nationality changed from Jewish to Israeli in public records, Chief Justice Shimon Agranat rejected the application, arguing:

If there is in the country today – just 23 years after the establishment of the state – a bunch of people, or even more, who ask to separate themselves from the Jewish people and to achieve for themselves the status of a distinct Israeli nation, then such a separatist approach should not be seen as a legitimate approach.42

Agranat’s ruling was confirmed by the courts again in early 2004.

Lieve Dame, ook dit bewijst maar weer eens dat in Israël geloofswaanzin en politiek zeer nauw met elkaar verweven zijn.

En die geloofswaanzin in de politiek van dat land zorgt er dan ook voor dat waar ter wereld ook, eenieder die kan bewijzen dat hij een joodse grootouder heeft, en niet meer dan dat, dat die dan gebruik kan maken van zijn of haar bij wet vastgelegde zogenaamde recht op terugkeer (alya).
Deze definitie van joods genoeg zijn om het staatsburgerschap van de joodse staat te verwerven, zoals de regering handhaaft, staat daar zelfs op gespannen voet met het Rabinaat, en daar wordt dan ook zo nu en dan een stevig potje over gebekvecht.

Maar ook daar telt de wet der getallen, liever gezegd...aantallen. Wel of niet joods, en alle gesjoemel over de juiste aantallen is er niet alleen bij wet toegestaan, de overheid zelf werkt daar heel hard aan mee.