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Samir75017
12-08-13, 13:09
12/08/2013

French police arrested a soldier, described as having close ties “to the radical far-right,” for planning to open fire on a mosque near Lyon. Relatives had contacted the police after finding suspicious documents in his possession.

French police have arrested a young soldier on suspicion of planning to fire shots at a mosque near the eastern city of Lyon, the interior ministry said Sunday.

The 23-year-old man, who investigators say is “close to the radical far-right”, was detained at his airbase near Lyon.

He was remanded in custody on Wednesday and charged with the possession of ammunition and plans to damage a place of worship “in connection with a terrorist enterprise”.

Judicial officials said he told investigators that he planned to fire the shots at the Minguettes mosque at Venissieux, a Lyon suburb, on Thursday at the end of the Ramadan holy month.

He also admitted to throwing an incendiary device at a mosque door in southwestern Libourne in August last year. No one was hurt in that incident which did not cause any damage.

Relatives had contacted the police after finding suspicious documents in his possession.

French police arrest soldier over mosque attack plan - FRANCE - FRANCE 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20130812-france-police-arrest-soldier-over-mosque-attack-plan-radical-far-right)

mark61
12-08-13, 13:37
Relatives had contacted the police after finding suspicious documents in his possession.

Das netjes.

H.P.Pas
12-08-13, 13:57
Das netjes.

Daar denkt Samir heel anders over. (http://www.maroc.nl/forums/nieuws-de-dag/364324-ahmed-marcouch-wilt-ouders-marokkaanse-criminelen-aanpakken.html#post5214895)

mark61
12-08-13, 14:33
Daar denkt Samir heel anders over. (http://www.maroc.nl/forums/nieuws-de-dag/364324-ahmed-marcouch-wilt-ouders-marokkaanse-criminelen-aanpakken.html#post5214895)

Nou ja, een collectieve verantwoordelijkheid zie ik ook niet. Maar familie en vrienden die iets waarnemen wel.

Samir75017
12-08-13, 14:37
Daar denkt Samir heel anders over. (http://www.maroc.nl/forums/nieuws-de-dag/364324-ahmed-marcouch-wilt-ouders-marokkaanse-criminelen-aanpakken.html#post5214895)

Irrelevant.

H.P.Pas
12-08-13, 14:40
Nou ja, een collectieve verantwoordelijkheid zie ik ook niet. .

Daar ging het niet over. Die sleept hij er met de haren bij.

mark61
12-08-13, 15:27
Irrelevant.

Nou je mag dat best even toelichten.

Samir75017
13-08-13, 01:07
Nou je mag dat best even toelichten.

No, I won't. The topic is not about me.

Samir75017
13-08-13, 01:09
French Muslims fear surge in attacks by far-right militants

(Reuters) - Muslim leaders in the French city of Lyon said on Monday they feared a surge in attacks on mosques in the style of one averted last week in which a soldier was arrested on suspicion of planning a shooting during an Islamic feast holiday.

Anti-Muslim incidents have risen steadily in recent years in France, home to Europe's largest Islamic minority, according to the Committee against Islamophobia in France (CCIF), which blames anti-Muslim rhetoric by far-right politicians.

A far-right activist said such violence had been provoked by government efforts to suppress "nationalist movements" that provided a legitimate outlet for discontent.

Kamel Kabtane, rector of the Grand Mosque of Lyon, called on local Muslims to gather for a show of solidarity at the suburban Minguettes Mosque, which police said the soldier arrested on Saturday planned to shoot at on the Muslim Eid al-Fitr holiday.

The 23-year-old, from an air force base near Lyon, was placed under formal investigation on Monday, accused of "possessing category 4 ammunitions in relation to a terrorist undertaking". Described by the interior ministry as holding extreme right-wing views, he was also accused of lobbing a Molotov cocktail at a mosque near Bordeaux last year.

"There is a clear will today to hurt the Muslim community," Kabtane said, adding that two minor acts had been carried out against mosques in southeastern France over the weekend.

"These are no longer isolated acts. It feels like there is a whole organization being put in place," he said.

RISING ANTI-MUSLIM VIOLENCE

French media say such incidents have increased by 50 percent in the first half of 2013. The presence of far-right militants at anti-gay marriage protests highlighted half a dozen shadowy extremist groups the government has since shut down.

Alexandre Gabriac, the young founder of a now banned far-right group called the Revolutionary Youths, blamed the rise in anti-Muslim attacks on the clampdown and said the government should take some responsibility.

"Dissolving nationalist movements drives people to carry out isolated, reckless acts," he said. "Our groups enabled the anger that is rising to be channeled and transformed into a political foundation. These isolated acts will be more and more frequent."

Staunchly secular France has long struggled to assimilate a Muslim population made up largely of descendants of immigrants from ex-colonies, that has grown to around 5 million people and itself feels shut out of mainstream society and the job market.

The previous conservative government banned full-face veils in public and far-right politicians have complained about Muslim prayers spilling out onto streets from overcrowded mosques.

The clampdown on far-right groups was sparked by the death of a left-wing student in a brawl in Paris.

Kamel Arioua, head of an association that manages the Minguettes mosque, said the soldier's alleged plan to shoot at it on the holiday marking the end of the Ramadan fasting period could have set off a riot, even if there were no casualties.

The soldier, in police custody on Monday, is also accused of "defacing a place of worship in relation to a terrorist undertaking" for the Bordeaux attack, a legal source said.

In France, placing a person under formal investigation means there is serious or consistent evidence pointing to their likely implication in a crime, and moves them a step closer to a trial.

French Muslims fear surge in attacks by far-right militants | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-france-muslims-idUSBRE97B0DS20130812)

mark61
13-08-13, 01:44
No, I won't. The topic is not about me.

Oh, nou dan was je post dus betekenisloos. Waarom post je em dan?

super ick
13-08-13, 09:03
No, I won't. The topic is not about me.

Je hebt een missie?

BoerHarms
13-08-13, 11:20
Gelukkig maar dat de dader gepakt is, er zijn nog genoeg mensen die er anders pver denken zodat ie opgepakt kon worden, denk ook wel dat ie de gepaste straf krijgt .

Samir75017
13-08-13, 12:02
Gelukkig maar dat de dader gepakt is, er zijn nog genoeg mensen die er anders pver denken zodat ie opgepakt kon worden, denk ook wel dat ie de gepaste straf krijgt .

To arrest them is one thing. To deal with the root causes of these attacks is another, which I think could be more effective.

Why would you go and open fire on people just because they're Muslims ?

Education ? Media's influence ? Brainwashing ? Misery ?

Magister
13-08-13, 12:11
To arrest them is one thing. To deal with the root causes of these attacks is another, which I think could be more effective.

Why would you go and open fire on people just because they're Muslims ?

Education ? Media's influence ? Brainwashing ? Misery ?

Gedrag van sommige moslims?

Samir75017
13-08-13, 12:11
‘Islamophobic France’: Muslim leader urges govt to act

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Faithfuls pray during the Eid al-Fitr ceremony, which marks the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, in Marseille, southern France, on August 8, 2013.(AFP Photo / Boris Horvat)

A French Muslim leader has condemned the “climate of Islamophobia” in France after a soldier was arrested for planning a terrorist attack on a mosque. Citing figures that racist attacks had risen by 60 per cent, he accused the government of inaction.

Mosque rector Kamel Kabtane addressed over 100 supporters gathered outside the El Forkane mosque in the Venissieux suburb of Lyon on Monday. He condemned the arrest of a 23-year-old sergeant who was taken into custody suspected of planning a terrorist attack on the mosque as evidence of increasing hostility towards French Muslims.

The officer was detained at Mont Verdan airbase last Wednesday for being "possession of ammunition linked to a terrorist enterprise" against a place of worship.

“The fact that a soldier has been arrested for a terrorist plot shows a climate of Islamophobia reigns in France today, we cannot deny it,” Kabtane told supporters. He stressed that the presence of a “black sheep” in the army was evidence the institution had been “infected” by the extreme right.

“Muslims are afraid, veiled women don’t dare leave the house,” said Kabtane, comparing the current racial tension to the anti-Semitism of the 1930s.

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The Rector of Lyon's mosque Kamel Kabtane (C) speaks during a meeting at the Minguettes mosque in Venissieux near Lyon, on August 12, 2013.(AFP Photo / Philippe Desmazes)

In view of increasing anti-Muslim attacks, which Kabtane said had increased by 60 per cent over the last year, he urged the government of Prime Minister Francois Hollande to take “serious measures” against Islamophobia.

‘France is not a racist country’

The French far-right party, The National Front, has spoken out against the mosque rector’s words. Party vice-present Florian Philippot said Kabtane’s comments “did not make sense” on French channel i>TELE.

"Does this mean that one day the French people woke up and said: “today I will be intolerant?” said Philippot. He added that by dint of not wanting to get involved in Muslim affairs, France had been branded as racist.

“[The French] are a welcoming and open people, but we hate communitarianism,” he said in apparent reference to minority groups in French society. He went on to warn that French society is growing to mirror American society, highlighting “tensions, hatred and resentment.”

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The Rector of Lyon's mosque Kamel Kabtane (C) speaks during a meeting at the Minguettes mosque in Venissieux near Lyon, on August 12, 2013.(AFP Photo / Philippe Desmazes)

Racial tensions have been escalating in France where the Muslim population numbers over 5 million, according to a 2011 survey by the Pew Center. In an annual report the Committee against Islamophobia (CCIF) in France said that in 2012 anti-Muslim attacks rose from 298 the previous year to 469. It noted that the attacks increasingly targeted individuals, especially women, over institutions. Even so the amount of attacks on mosques also doubled in 2012 to 40.

The CCIF branded France’s authorities as "one of the principal vectors of Islamophobia.”

France passed a law in 2011, effectively banning the wearing in public of the full-face veil, the niqab and the burqa if it covers the face. The law also outlawed Muslim street prayers.

The bans triggered furor in the Muslim community and widespread condemnation. Amnesty International condemned the law as violating freedom of expression for women who wished to wear the burqa. More recently, the French High Council of Integration (HCI) recommended prohibiting students from wearing religious symbols, such as Christian crucifixes, Jewish Kippah skullcaps and Muslim headscarves in universities.

‘Islamophobic France’: Muslim leader urges govt to act — RT News (http://rt.com/news/islamophobic-france-mosque-attack-venissieux-422/)

BoerHarms
13-08-13, 19:02
To arrest them is one thing. To deal with the root causes of these attacks is another, which I think could be more effective.

Why would you go and open fire on people just because they're Muslims ?

Education ? Media's influence ? Brainwashing ? Misery ?

Samir, ik hoop niet dat je een rood duimpje geef, maar de reden is m.i. hoe de moslims in de media wordt afgebeeld.
De over grote meerderheid van de moslims zijn m.i. vredelievend en willen niets anders dan in vrede met hun naaste leven. Maar het juist die kleine fanatieke, extremistische groepen die het voor de overgrote meerderheid verpesten, deze groep creeert door hun optreden een beeldvorming die niet erg positief overkomt. De media die agressieve in beeld nemen, shaira4belgium die op de dam staan te prediken, 9/11 , de moord op Theo van Gogh ,etc,etc.
Of dit nu gerechtigd of niet is, doet voor de beeldvorming niet ter zake. Want de achtergronden weet men vaak niet.
Nu kan je dan dan wel zeggen dat mensen zich daarin moeten verdiepen, ja je heb gelijk, maar is niet gebeurd.
Daarbij is de Marokkaanse jeugd ook niet echt representatief in het nieuws gekomen. Dit alles creëert een bepaalde beeldvorming. Vaak aangedikt.
Of je dit nu ok of niet ok vind, doet eigenlijk niets terzake, jouw en mijn denkwijze beinvloeden dit beeld niet.

Bevolking wordt dan bang gemaakt en er groeit verzet, met alle gevolgen van dien.
Bevolking krijgt volgens mij het idee dat de radicale islam langzaam Europa gaat overheersen en dat men dat niet wilt, dat is duidelijk
In jouw oorzaak duidt je aan
Education, Media Influence , Brainwashing , Misery

Ik denk dat media een groot deel daar aan toe draagt, Brainwashing is kan een gevolg zijn van eenzijdige media

Maar dat laatste gebeurt overal in de wereld.

Ik denk dat deze militair zo gebrainwasht is dat ie bang is geworden en een beeld heeft geregen dat de moslims wel eens de nieuwe bezetters van zijn land is geworden. Daardoor deze actie.

Natuurlijk keur ik deze actie af, ik keur elke vorm van geweld af. Maar het wordt een tijd dat er een dialoog kan komen, waarin gezamenlijk naar een oplossing gezocht kan worden, waarin we gezamlijk de problemen kunnen bespreken en oplossing kunnen vinden zonder vingerwijzing.

Als we terug kijken in de geschiedenis,hoe de kerk met geweld in Zuid Amerika zieltjes ging winnen voor de Kerk, dan schaam ik mij zeer diep voor de methode die werden aangewend.
Ik schaamde ook rot, toen ik een film zag van Max Havelaar, een afwisseling van beelden tussen het straffen/peinigen van slaven en het bezoek van de plantage-eigenaar aan de kerkdienst. Ja ik ben Christen maar schaam me diep wat hier allemaal gebeurde.

Ik zie een geloof/godsdienst nog altijd iets dat liefde en vrede uitstraalt,en bovendien respect behoort te hebben voor andersdenkenden. Of je dit geloof wilt volgen moet vrijwillig en niet gedwongen worden.

mark61
13-08-13, 20:19
To arrest them is one thing. To deal with the root causes of these attacks is another, which I think could be more effective.

Why would you go and open fire on people just because they're Muslims ?

Education ? Media's influence ? Brainwashing ? Misery ?

Tsja, hetzelfde kan je zeggen van Merah. Wat de achterliggende oorzaken zijn van menselijk gedrag is nogal een lang verhaal.

Voorlopig zijn het zeldzame gebeurtenissen.

Samir75017
14-08-13, 02:37
Voorlopig zijn het zeldzame gebeurtenissen.

No, they're not.

If you want to fairly evaluate a phenomenon, focus on its evolution, not on a simple number. Islamophobic attacks are constantly on the rise. In fact, they have risen by 60% this year. How do you interpret that ?

I'm pointing at the moon, you're looking at my finger.

Soldim
14-08-13, 07:34
No, they're not.

If you want to fairly evaluate a phenomenon, focus on its evolution, not on a simple number. Islamophobic attacks are constantly on the rise. In fact, they have risen by 60% this year. How do you interpret that ?


Misschien beschouwen een aantal mensen de islam in toenemende mate als bedreiging. Gebeurt wel vaker tijdens een crisis dat allerleid soorten criminaliteit toenemen.

Vorig jaar schijnen geweldidige misdaden tegen individuen in Frankrijk met 25% toegenomen te zijn ... volgens sommigen door veranderde registratie :hihi:

Jou observatie schijnt daarmee niet uit de pas te lopen.

super ick
14-08-13, 08:31
No, they're not.

If you want to fairly evaluate a phenomenon, focus on its evolution, not on a simple number. Islamophobic attacks are constantly on the rise. In fact, they have risen by 60% this year. How do you interpret that ?

I'm pointing at the moon, you're looking at my finger.

Die mensen zien de islam als een bedreiging. Dat kan niet anders.

Waar dat slechte beeld dan vandaan komt? Weet jij het?
Schuld van anderen uiteraard alleen ik kan er niet opkomen van wie......

Media?

mark61
14-08-13, 12:16
No, they're not.

If you want to fairly evaluate a phenomenon, focus on its evolution, not on a simple number. Islamophobic attacks are constantly on the rise. In fact, they have risen by 60% this year. How do you interpret that ?

I'm pointing at the moon, you're looking at my finger.

Mag ik daar een overzicht van?

Zijn daar ook zeven doden bij gevallen?

Waarom wijs je naar de maan?

Je kent het hele verhaal al

Samir75017
15-08-13, 01:23
Zijn daar ook zeven doden bij gevallen?



What do you mean ?

mark61
15-08-13, 01:44
Ja dahag. Beetje de debiel uithangen.

Samir75017
15-08-13, 02:11
Ja dahag. Beetje de debiel uithangen.

Why do you insult ? What did you mean with your sentence ?