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Armageddon
19-04-03, 21:58
Does the Koran support Jewish control of the Holy Land?

© 2002 David Margolis
Shaykh Abdul Hadi PalazziDoes Islam deserve its title as "one of the world's great religions"? There are reasons these days to view it, especially here in Israel, as a source of terrorist bombings, murderous incitement against Jews, denials of Jewish connection to Jerusalem, and repression, especially of women - cruelty and crudity, fundamentalism and fanaticism. Nor does the American Muslim communities seem to demur very much.
So let me introduce you to Shaykh Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi, representative of an Islam that speaks in a loving voice and acknowledges its debt to Judaism - and who is, I suspect, on the verge of becoming a celebrity in the Jewish world.
Palazzi's impeccable credentials as a Muslim cleric include a Ph.D. in Islamic Sciences by decree of the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and years of study with Islamic teachers in Cairo and Europe. A leader of the Muslim community in Italy, he currently serves as secretary-general of the Italian Muslim Association in Rome.
And he's a Zionist.
Palazzi accepts Jewish sovereignty over the Holy Land (he says the Koran supports it as the will of God and, theologically, a necessary prerequisite for the Final Judgment). He accepts - even prefers - Jewish sovereignty over Jerusalem, if the rights of other religions are protected. He quotes the Koran to support Judaism's special connection to the Temple Mount. "The most authoritative Islamic sources affirm the Temples," he says, contradicting the current mufti of Jerusalem (the "pseudo-mufti," he calls him, dismissing him as a political appointee). He adds that Jerusalem is sacred to Muslims because of its prior holiness to Jews and its standing as home to the biblical prophets and kings David and Solomon, all of whom are sacred figures in Islam, too.
Moreover, the Koran "expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays the same role for Jews that Mecca has for Muslims" - the center toward which prayer is directed. Just as no one wishes to deny Muslims sovereignty over Mecca, he goes on, there is no sound Islamic theological reason to deny the Jews the same right over Jerusalem. "In the present situation," he has said, directly contradicting Palestinian demands, "the only way to preserve religious freedoms for all three major religions is for Israel to be the single sovereign over the Old City." Nor, according to Palazzi, is there any basis in Islam for prohibiting Jews from praying on the Temple Mount, as is currently the case.
So if that's true Islam, what are we reading in the daily papers? In Palazzi's view, Islam has been hijacked by the Wahabi movement in Saudi Arabia, a radical reformist movement which denies the traditional - that is, moderate - understanding of the Koran and has taken control of Mecca and Medina.
That in itself might have had only minor ramifications, but oil made the followers of the movement almost unbelievably rich. Usually, Palazzi muses, regions blessed with higher civilizations become wealthy and then assume wider cultural dominance. But in this case, the contrary occurred: money made a primitive and violent culture powerful over a wide area. And now, "they are reshaping Islam in accordance with their political issues."
Palazzi says that Morocco, Tunisia, Jordan and other moderate Arab countries restrict the Wahabi sect. But in European countries, where the commitment to religious freedom allows it to thrive, it has successfully claimed to represent Islam. (In the US, Palazzi claims, the movement trains Muslim chaplains for the US Army, and its members are invited to the White House.)
No network of Muslim scholars exists to oppose fundamentalism, and Saudi funding of ministries of religion in many countries keeps local imams from speaking out. Nonetheless, Palazzi believes that a new attitude is emerging among some Islamic thinkers. "Many of us are now ready to admit that hostility for Israel has been a great mistake, perhaps the worst mistake Muslims have made in the second half of this century."
The Shaykh has no hesitation about promoting this stance. He serves in Israel as co-chair of the Root and Branch Association's Islam-Israel Fellowship and Muslim chairman of the Association's Jerusalem Embassy Initiative, which calls for "the nations of the world to move their embassies in Israel to Jerusalem, thereby recognizing Jerusalem as the eternal, exclusive and undivided capital of the Jewish People and the State of Israel, and as the spiritual center of mankind."
The son of an Italian mother and a Syrian father, Palazzi in person is a bearish, good-humored man with a trimmed beard and close-cropped hair and wearing, the night I met with him, a crew-neck sweater, cargo pants, and no head covering. No robe, no turban. He is an extremely unassuming man.
Almost everyone to whom I mention Palazzi says something like, "Isn't he afraid he'll get killed?" That is itself a sign of how low Islam has allowed itself to sink in Western eyes. But Palazzi says he's not afraid, because he is saying nothing that is not based in the Koran. Not living in the Arab world makes it easier for him to speak out, of course, but he names shaykhs even in the Palestinian Autonomy who he insists are largely in agreement with him.
His impact - aside from becoming the Muslim cleric best loved by Jews - remains to be seen. But at least he is helping to rescue the honor of Islam by representing it, not as a fanatical and murderous sect irrevocably bent on harm, but as a subtle and loving spiritual path, open to the world and glad to acknowledge its bonds of brotherhood with Judaism and Jews.

Waiting
20-04-03, 09:46
Interessant stuk, dat wist ik niet dat van de Wahabi (?), dus daar is die Cheppi ook aanhanger van zeker...
Verklaart een hoop.

Ik wist wel al langer dat moslims in Afrika bijvoorbeeld, niks met het Israelisch/palestijns conflict hadden en dat men zelf niks met Jeruzalem hadden...

Het is ook waar dat bijvoorbeeld Marokko goede banden heeft met Israel, zo ook Turkije, dus de bron van alle ellende is dan toch Saoudie Arabie?

Wizdom
20-04-03, 16:06
Geplaatst door Waiting
Interessant stuk, dat wist ik niet dat van de Wahabi (?), dus daar is die Cheppi ook aanhanger van zeker...
Verklaart een hoop.

Ik wist wel al langer dat moslims in Afrika bijvoorbeeld, niks met het Israelisch/palestijns conflict hadden en dat men zelf niks met Jeruzalem hadden...

Het is ook waar dat bijvoorbeeld Marokko goede banden heeft met Israel, zo ook Turkije, dus de bron van alle ellende is dan toch Saoudie Arabie?

Ach wel nee, je hebt gewoon een troebele geest. De bron van al die ellende is de ZIONISTEN lobby in de VS en de ZIONISTEN die de oorlog zijn begonnen in '48 met hun Satanisten vrienden in Engeland en de VS!

Waiting
20-04-03, 17:51
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Ach wel nee, je hebt gewoon een troebele geest. De bron van al die ellende is de ZIONISTEN lobby in de VS en de ZIONISTEN die de oorlog zijn begonnen in '48 met hun Satanisten vrienden in Engeland en de VS!

Ow... Dat zal het wezen :rolleyes:

000NobelPrizes
20-04-03, 21:03
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Ach wel nee, je hebt gewoon een troebele geest. De bron van al die ellende is de ZIONISTEN lobby in de VS en de ZIONISTEN die de oorlog zijn begonnen in '48 met hun Satanisten vrienden in Engeland en de VS!

Zelfs de debielste Arabier weet dat het de Arabische landen waren die aan Israel de oorlog verklaarden in 1948.

000NobelPrizes
20-04-03, 21:07
Geplaatst door Wizdom
Ach wel nee, je hebt gewoon een troebele geest. De bron van al die ellende is de ZIONISTEN lobby in de VS en de ZIONISTEN die de oorlog zijn begonnen in '48 met hun Satanisten vrienden in Engeland en de VS!

Maar: het verdraaien van historische feiten is op dit forum geen uitzondering.

Hebben ze jou soms ook verteld dat de Arabieren de oorlog van 1948 hebben gewonnen van Israel? En die van 1967? En die van 1978?

Vast wel, en jij gelooft het natuurlijk grif. Dat maakt de vernedering wat draaglijker :)

Donna
20-04-03, 21:08
Geplaatst door mika
Waarom lees jij dat dat stuk nou niet eens goed, lijkt mij toch een eye-opener for moslims en het betoog over Jeruzalem tegeover mekka
wordt gesteld als de enige heilige plaats voor Joden, deze zin zou een hoop moslims aan het denken moeten zetten.


Tsja.

Wat pas echt een eye opener zou zijn is wanneer het MO conflict zou worden ontdaan van dat religieuze geneuzel. 'Mijn boek is 4000 jaar oud en stelt duidelijk dat Jeruzalem van ONS is'. 'Nou, mijn boek is dan wel geen 4000 jaar oud, maar is wel het enige boek waar de waarheid in staat en in dat boek staat dat Jeruzalem van ONS is'.

Enige juiste reactie: In het MO wonen NU mensen, en die moeten gewoon op een normale manier met elkaar samen kunnen leven, ongeacht wat er in wiens heilige boek staat.

Tenzij Jezus snel terugkomt en de Salomon-optie toepast: 'Jullie kunnen het niet eens worden? Prima, dan gaat er een bom op en is het van niemand'. Degene die dan het eerst zegt: geef het dan maar aan 'hullie' mag het hebben.

Abdul Karim
20-04-03, 21:14
Hoe komt het dat "Shajkh" Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi niet bekend is onder de Moslims :confused:

Donna
20-04-03, 22:00
Geplaatst door mika
Ben benieuwd naar dat citaat Donna, want er bestaat op de hele wereld
geen boek waarin staat dat Jeruzalem van de Moslims is, propaganda niet meegerekend.
Jeruzalem heeft een heilige betekenis voor de Joden en die is hen ontnomen. Het zou even onrechtvaardig zijn als Mekka vandaag of morgen ingenomen zou worden en dat er met een Christelijk verhaal
een Christelijk heiligdom van gemaakt zou worden.

Shit zeg, jij klinkt wel erg militant. Ik zou zeggen: ga naar Mekka, en zet dit enorme historische religieuze onrecht om in recht door jezelf op te blazen. Dat schijnt in die regio heel normaal te zijn om je politiek-religieuze denkbeelden kracht bij te zetten.


Geplaatst door mika
Ik ben het met je eens dat Arabieren en Joden in staat zouden moeten zijn om samen in die stad te leven.

MIKA

Tsja, als ze elkaar daar met boeken blijven bestoken zal dat erg moeilijk worden ben ik bang.

Abdul Karim
20-04-03, 22:37
"Maulana Shaykh Abdul Hadi" Palazzi - whose real name is Massimo Palazzi - is an Italian who in recent years has become quite famous, especially outside Italy, as "the moderate Muslim", "moderate" merely meaning someone who is in favour of the current policies of the US government. Palazzi allows some people to call him simply "Maulana", "Our Master", but generally prefers to be called Professor Doctor Shaykh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, meaning "The Elder, Servant of the Peaceful One".

A search on Google for Abdul Hadi Palazzi will bring up hundreds of references. What is surprising is that few of these are from Muslim sources; nearly all are from US apocalyptic evangelicals, Christian Zionists or Zionists tout court. One example out of hundreds: one anti-Islamic religious web site puts a link to Palazzi's site right below another one to a website which proudly speaks of "Islam and it's Final Annihilation predicted in the Bible". (http://www.abrahamic-faith.com)People that believe every Muslim is on his way to Hell love Palazzi. The reason why will soon become apparent.

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Palazzi's attitude has won him widespread recognition. In February 2001, he was even received by the President of Israel, Moshe Katsav. A gushing article (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/P/FrontPage/FrontPage&cid=1002116796299) in the right-wing Jerusalem Post says:

PALAZZI, 40, was born in Italy to a Moslem mother whose grandfather immigrated from Aleppo and an Italian father who converted to Islam. He holds a doctorate in Islamic Sciences, granted by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and studied at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, and currently serves as the imam of the Italian Islamic Community. Since 1991, he has directed the community's Cultural Institute, which promotes Islamic education in Italy, fights Islamic fundamentalism and fanaticism, and advocates interreligious dialogue. For Palazzi, pluralism starts at home: He is married to a Catholic, and they are raising their two-year-old son Omar as a Moslem. Palazzi also teaches at the Institute of Anthropological Research in Rome, and was formerly a lecturer of religious history at the University of Velletri, also in Rome.

The first nagging question concerns Palazzi's titles.

Google of course is not infallible. However, it is strange to see that only one result comes up for the Italian version of "Institute of Anthropological Research in Rome", which would be "Istituto di ricerca antropologica a Roma." This is actually the dance school of Raffaella Rossellini, daughter of the film director. Rather hard to imagine Palazzi's hefty figure thumping on the floor with a group of lithe young dancers. We could not call to check, since neither "iraa" nor "Istituto di ricerca antropologica" appear in the phone directory.

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Now let us take a look at the "University of Velletri" where Palazzi claims to be a professor. In September 2002 - over a year after Palazzi made this claim - the inhabitants of the small town of Velletri near Rome were still hopefully looking forward to the opening "within a few years" of some university faculties in Velletri. Actually, one already existed: the Enology course of the University of Tuscia. Enology, for non-experts, means "wine making", a rather unlikely profession for a supposedly teetotalling Muslim. However, when we called the University of Tuscia, they firmly denied having any person called Massimo Palazzi on their staff.

Of course, people don't need titles. On the other hand, they don't need to make them up, either.

bron (http://www.ifrance.com/amipalazzi/palazzi_gb.htm)