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Victory
13-07-03, 20:34
Blair seeks new powers to attack rogue states
By Andy McSmith and Jo Dillon
13 July 2003

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Tony Blair is appealing to the heads of Western governments to agree a new world order that would justify the war in Iraq even if Saddam Hussein's elusive weapons of mass destruction are never found.

It would also give Western powers the authority to attack any other sovereign country whose ruler is judged to be inflicting unnecessary suffering on his own people.

A Downing Street document, circulated among foreign heads of state who are in London for a summit, has provoked a fierce row between Mr Blair and the German Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder.

Mr Schröder is in London for a summit of "progressive" governments, convened by Mr Blair, which opens today.

Mr Blair has involved British troops in five conflicts overseas in his six years in office, and appears to be willing to take part in many more.

The document echoes his well-known views on "rights and responsibilities" by saying that even for self-governing nation states "the right to sovereignty brings associated responsibilities to protect citizens".

This phrase is immediately followed by a paragraph which appears to give the world's democracies carte blanche to send troops anywhere there is civil unrest or a tyrant who refuses to mend his ways. It says: "Where a population is suffering serious harm, as a result of internal war, insurgency, repression or state failure, and the state in question is unwilling or unable to halt or avert it, the principle of non-intervention yields to the international responsibility to protect."

A political row with Mr Schröder will add to Mr Blair's difficulties at a time when the American and British intelligence services have fallen out with each other over the question of whether Saddam had been seeking to construct a nuclear bomb.

In Washington, the US government has withdrawn the claim that Iraqi agents were in Niger trying to buy uranium. The head of the CIA, George Tenet, has accepted the blame for allowing this claim to be included in President George Bush's State of the Nation speech, in which it was attributed to British intelligence. The former foreign secretary Robin Cook has challenged Mr Blair to publish any evidence Britain has to back up the uranium story.

He told The Independent on Sunday: "The longer they delay coming up with it, the greater the suspicion will become that they don't really believe it themselves.

"There is one simple question the Government must answer when the Commons meets on Monday: why did their evidence not convince the CIA? If it was not good enough to be in the President's address, it was not good enough to go in the Prime Minister's dossier.

"A month ago I gave Tony Blair the opportunity to admit that in good faith he had got it wrong when he warned of the uranium deal. Now that President Bush has made just that admission it looks as if Tony Blair would have been wise to get his in first."

But Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, insisted yesterday the information did not come from British intelligence but from some other, unnamed country, and that it was accurate.

In a letter to the chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, Donald Anderson, Mr Straw said: "UK officials were confident that the dossier's statement was based on reliable intelligence which we had not shared with the US."

This public disagreement with the CIA, coupled with anger in Britain over the fate of British suspects held at the US base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, forms an awkward background for Mr Blair's visit to Washington on Thursday, when he will meet President Bush.

Dr Hans Blix, the former head of the UN weapons inspection team in Iraq, has told the IoS that he believes the British government "over-interpreted" the available intelligence about Iraq's weapons.

Dr Blix was particularly scathing about the claim made in a British government dossier, released last September, that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons "deployable within 45 minutes".

"I think that was a fundamental mistake. I don't know how they calculated this figure of 45 minutes. That seems pretty far off the mark to me," he said.

The Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, Menzies Campbell, said: "Day by day the case for an independent scrutiny of the lead-up to the war against Iraq becomes irresistible. Only full disclosure can restore the reputation of this Government."

The failure to find the weapons is damaging public trust in the Prime Minister and his relations with the Labour Party, with many backbench MPs who supported the decision to go to war now saying they might have changed their minds if they had known that the weapons might never be found.

The former international development secretary Clare Short will urge the Prime Minister in an interview broadcast on GMTV today to resign before things get "nastier". This brought a strong rebuke yesterday from the Home Secretary, David Blunkett. He said: "Clare Short is being typically self-indulgent. It is important to get behind the Prime Minister and focus on the things that matter to people, like decent opportunities and economic prosperity. I do not understand why people would plot to try to change the most successful leader in the Labour Party's history."

There was also support for the Prime Minister from his old ally, Bill Clinton. At a London conference organised by Peter Mandelson and attended by the Chilean President Ricardo Lagos, the Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and hundreds of Labour Party supporters, the former US president urged the left to stop attacking Mr Blair or risk the renaissance of conservatism.

"If we want to prevail we will have to learn how to make our case better," he said. "We're living in a new world in which we will be swallowed whole if we do not, and all the evidence of the good we have done will be lost if we give in to inter-party squabbles on the left and lay down in the face of attacks from the right.

The Independent

lennart
13-07-03, 20:52
Sharon komt op bezoek. Hij zal Iran onderwerp ook aansnijden, en direct daarna gaat hij naar de VS om Bush aan te sporen Iran aan te vallen.

Vergeet niet dat Sharon lang voor de oorlog op Iraq al heeft gezegd dat Iran het volgende doelwit moet zijn.

Natuurlijk moeten wel eerst de 150.000 VS soldaten in Iraq vervangen worden door NATO troepen, maar dat plan ligt mooi op schema.

Joesoef
13-07-03, 21:08
Geplaatst door lennart
Natuurlijk moeten wel eerst de 150.000 VS soldaten in Iraq vervangen worden door NATO troepen, maar dat plan ligt mooi op schema.


Yep, en de eerste bodybag is ook al onderweg.

KomMaar
13-07-03, 22:50
Victory 'n vraagje

Hebben Iraniers geprotesteerd tegen de Amerikaanse bombardementen op Irak?

Victory
13-07-03, 23:17
Geplaatst door KomMaar
Victory 'n vraagje

Hebben Iraniers geprotesteerd tegen de Amerikaanse bombardementen op Irak?

Ja, en het was de grootste anti-oorlogs protest in de wereld.

Victory
13-07-03, 23:27
Geplaatst door Victory
Ja, en het was de grootste anti-oorlogs protest in de wereld.

En moet je dat voorstellen, een land dat werd platgebombardeerd door iraq zelf, met de hulp van het westen. grotendeels ook gemische bommen. Iraq werd destijds gefinancieerd ook door Arabische landen, zoals Saudi-Arabie, die iets van 80 Miljard Dollar gaf aan Saddam voor de oorlog tegen Iran, ook Kuwait die iets van 50 Miljard Dollar gaf. Maar dit steld allemaal niks voor bij de gratis wapens en bommen die Iraq kreeg van het westen. Nederland en Duitsland hebben trouwens ook gemische wapens geleverd aan Iraq, dit was om uit te testen op Iran. Nederland en Duitsland kwamen later de resultaten onderzoeken in Iran. We wisten het toen nog niet.

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Maar dit stelt niks voor, er waren meer dan 1 miljoen doden in Iran.

lennart
16-07-03, 13:46
Report: Israel finds support from Britain over Iran

By Haaretz Service

As Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ended his three-day
visit to the United Kingdom, the Guardian
newspaper reported Wednesday that Britain is
becoming increasingly alarmed at the threats posed
by Iran's nuclear program and conventional
missiles. The London-based newspaper reported that
British Prime Minister Tony Blair told PM Ariel
Sharon that "Britain shares Israel's concerns
about Iran," and its ability to hit Israel and US
forces in the Middle East.

The paper reported that the two
leaders discussed Iran at
length during a private dinner
at Blair's Downing Street
residence on Monday night.
According to the paper, Israeli
diplomats said they were
encouraged by Blair's response.
"Asked if Blair had changed his
mind about Iran's weapons, one

source said: 'I think he has,'" the paper
reported.

The Guardian also quoted a 'well-placed British
source' who confirmed the change of thinking in
government circles. The source told the
newspaper: "This is a subject that is of more
concern to us than it was a few months ago. We
are still engaging with the Iranian government.
But the gauge of concern has gone up a couple
of notches lately, particularly over Iran's
nuclear program."

On Tuesday, Sharon urged his Palestinian
counterpart Mahmoud Abbas to wage war against
militant groups, as part of efforts to bolster
the road map. His comments came on a day in
which a young Israeli was killed and two others
were wounded in an knife attack by a
Palestinian on Tel Aviv's seafront promenade.

"There should be very active struggle - and I
would say, I would call it a war - by the
Palestinian new government against the
terrorist organizations," Sharon, using some of
his toughest language to date on the issue,
said Sharon in a speech in English.

Addressing British Jewish leaders, he called on
Abbas to dismantle and disarm militant groups
such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

In the address, Sharon also called on Britain
and other European countries to pressure the
Palestinian Authority to "take all the
necessary steps [to which] they committed
themselves against terror" in the road map.

Canaris
16-07-03, 13:57
wanneer
1) de bevolkingin Iran /Persie niet in staat blijkt de parvenues om Khamenei en Co op de vuilnisbult van de geschiedenis te kunnen gooien

2) deze hufters tergelijkertijd doorgaan , alles wat aan liberalisering wordt gewenst, de kop in te slaan

3) ook nog bljkt dat idd men druk bezig is Hard Water te bezorgen

4) de Hizbollah als zijnde de Camorra van Libanon vlink ondersteund


... dan hebben ze mijn zegen.

lennart
16-07-03, 14:06
Time to Focus on Iran - The Mother of Modern Terrorism
Dr. Michael Ledeen Addresses the Policy Forum

The focus of the global fight against terrorism should be placed squarely on Iran - "the mother of modern terrorism" - announced Dr. Michael Ledeen, a Resident Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research. Addressing the JINSA Policy Forum in Washington on April 30, 2003, Ledeen argued that now is the time for Iranian liberation. "I have never seen a country more ready for democracy than Iran."

Drawing attention to the likelihood that Tehran will test nuclear devices by the end of this summer, Ledeen stressed that terrorism is not the only concern regarding Iran. He posited that Iranian leaders learned from North Korea that "if you have nuclear weapons, then you are untouchable." Ledeen argued that Iran might use nuclear weapons against Israel based on the rationale that "half of the Jewish population in the world would be killed after the attack versus a minute fraction of Muslim people killed in retaliation. It would be worth the lives of Iranians to destroy Israel." Ledeen also reminded the audience that both Syria and Iran sent tens of thousands of men into Iraq to aid the Iraqi Republican Guard against U.S. and allied troops.

Ledeen outlined three lessons the U.S. learned in Iraq. First, the U.S. military "performed better than was expected both in terms of technology and the soldiers." Second, when the U.S. Marines went to Iran, they were welcomed by the people and were asked if they were staying to free them. "This was a blatant outcry for liberation," Ledeen said. Finally, it has become clear that Saudi Arabia is the main financier of terrorism. Mosques and madrasas built by the Saudis continue to preach the Wahhabist doctrine of global jihad against non-believers and urging that arms be taken up against the U.S., Israel and their allies. Ledeen reminded the audience that the terrorists who carried out the horrifying September 11 attacks were well-educated Saudi Arabians.

Ledeen cautioned that the U.S. should not repeat the same mistake it made in the 1991 Persian Gulf War by choosing not to kill Saddam. Though many now claim that the U.S. has fulfilled its mandate to liberate Iraq, he warned that Saddam must be shown to be dead or supporters of a new dictatorship will be emboldened. "Democracy is the only way the Iraqi people will be able to get back on their feet."

Ledeen applauded President Bush's vision of promoting the development of representative governments in the Middle East. The region, he believes, is on the verge of drastic change. As of now, the U.S. is withdrawing troops from Saudi Arabia while Qatar is experiencing democratic elections. All these developments are hopeful signs for the region. Ledeen concluded his remarks by declaring, "the time for diplomacy is at the end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon."

The JINSA Policy Forum is a new series of programs that brings together JINSA members and policy experts in Washington to discuss issues of defense and national security. More than 80 members and prospective members attended the Policy Forum with Dr. Michael Ledeen. The next Policy Forum is scheduled for July.

http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1930/documentid/2012/history/3,1930,2012

Michael Ledeen is de belangrijkste adviseur van het Witte Huis. Hij is een aanhanger van Machiavelli en Trotski. Dit houdt dus in liegen en bedriegen om een gewelddadige revolutie te exporteren. Zoals jullie weten was Trotski vooral bekend om zijn ideeen dat de wereld altijd in een staat van gewelddadige revolutie moet verkeren om er voor zorgen dat de mensheid zich kan ontwikkelingen.

In Michael Ledeen's eigen woorden:
"Change – above all violent change – is the essence of human history,"
- Staat in zijn boek, "Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago."


"Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically ... it is time once again to export the democratic revolution."
- In een essay in de National Review Online

Creative Destruction, dit is een man die geen problemen had met de aanslagen op 11 September, nee hij juichde het toe omdat hij eindelijk weer zijn gewelddadige revolutie kan exporteren.

Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15860

Joesoef
16-07-03, 14:14
Geplaatst door lennart
Report: Israel finds support from Britain over Iran




Gezellig! heb ik volgende week tenminste wat te doen daar :sniper:

Donna
16-07-03, 14:19
Geplaatst door lennart
Michael Ledeen is de belangrijkste adviseur van het Witte Huis.

Bron?

Trouwens.... je hebt niet eens gereageerd op mijn melding dat ik inmiddels vergaand ben geinfiltreerd in Bilderbergse sferen ...;)

Ik ben een voorportaal netwerk aan het ontrafelen. :moe:

lennart
16-07-03, 15:00
Geplaatst door Donna
Bron?

Trouwens.... je hebt niet eens gereageerd op mijn melding dat ik inmiddels vergaand ben geinfiltreerd in Bilderbergse sferen ...;)

Ik ben een voorportaal netwerk aan het ontrafelen. :moe:

Check die alternet link, ik heb er overigens eerder een topic aangewijd:

http://www.maroc.nl/nieuws/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66520&highlight=michael+ledeen

Maarreh, ik heb even het bilderberg verhaal gemist. Waar Hoe Wat? En kunnen we nu ons plan om de wereldmacht over te nemen in gang zetten?

Donna
16-07-03, 15:21
Geplaatst door lennart
Check die alternet link, ik heb er overigens eerder een topic aangewijd:

http://www.maroc.nl/nieuws/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66520&highlight=michael+ledeen

Maarreh, ik heb even het bilderberg verhaal gemist. Waar Hoe Wat? En kunnen we nu ons plan om de wereldmacht over te nemen in gang zetten?

Was laatst in Rome voor een conferentie van een club die ik ervan verdacht een 'jongeren-rekruteringsnetwerk' voor Bilderberg te zijn, Atlantic Brucke.

check: http://www.google.nl/search?q=Atlantic-Brucke&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=nl&btnG=Google+zoeken&lr=

en: http://www.google.nl/search?q=Atlantic+Brucke&btnG=Google+zoeken&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Desgevraagd bleek dat idd. het geval.

Ze onderhouden een netwerk van mensen uit de zakenwereld, politiek, media, cultuursector. 'Jong' is een relatief begrip, alles onder de 50 is jong. Ze werken zeer nauw samen met Bilderberg. Ik heb een password gekregen van een database waar iedereen instaat die ooit op zo'n conferentie is geweest. De bedoeling van het netwerk is 'nauwe banden onderhouden met elkaar, en met de VS tak van het netwerk, om zo de verhoudingen tussen EU en VS te verbeteren en te onderhouden'.

:D

Ik ga binnenkort eens een dagje in die database spitten om te kijken wie er de afgelopen 15 jaar zijn geweest..... ;)

Dus: ja. De wereldcoupe kan in gang worden gezet lennart.

lennart
16-07-03, 16:04
Cool! :D

Een grote Bilderberg expose in the making :lole:

Laat je niet hersenspoelen he!

Paki123
16-07-03, 16:16
Iran is veel sterker dan iraq nu. ze zijn zeker wel een van de sterkste islamitische landen op militair gebied ondanks de sancties.

hier had ik gister ook veel info over iran gevonden

http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?showtopic=6319

Victory
16-07-03, 16:46
Geplaatst door Paki123
Iran is veel sterker dan iraq nu. ze zijn zeker wel een van de sterkste islamitische landen op militair gebied ondanks de sancties.

hier had ik gister ook veel info over iran gevonden

http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?showtopic=6319

Volgens de website van CIA geven wij 4/5 keer meer aan militair dan Pakistan, ook geven wij meer aan militair dan Spanje, Nederland, Belgie, etc. Maar niet meer dan Duitsland en Frankrijk, die geven best wel veel uit.

Saudi-Arabie is de enige land in het middenoosten die meer dan Iran uitgeeft. Maar zij geven 13% van hun geld aan militair, dat is dom. De mensen moeten ook wat eten. Maar blijkbaar denken ze meer aan wapens dan hongerige mensen.

Hier heb je trouwen 250 foto's van Iraanse leger enzo... http://www.islamicdigest.net/gallery/ klik op "Islamic Iran Armed Forces"

Dit is trouwens de jetfighter die Iran nu zelf aan het maken is, de Shafaq (komt in 3 modellen).
http://www.islamicdigest.org/gallery/albums/islamic-iran-air-force/Shafagh_mockup.jpg

Er is nog eentje... maar ben de naam vergeten.

Als je de stats van Iraq, naast die van Iran legt lach je je dood. Iraq zou absoluut in de eerste dag opgegeten zijn als de de hele wereld niet achter Iraq stond. Samen met een behoorlijk wat Arabische hypocriete landen.


Militair en economisch gezien zijn wij nu de sterkste islamitische land, en sterker dan alle arabische landen. Als we ook nog eens aan kernwapens komen, zijn we unstoppable. Inshallah. :)

Maar, ik weiger te geloven dat een oorlog alleen kan gewonnen worden met materiaal enzo. Zonder steun van Allah(swt) ben je verloren. Kijk naar de Iran-iraq oorlog, kijk naar de strijd van Hezbollah tegen de zionistische staat. Allemaal voorbeelden, van hoe je met niks, tegen een enorm macht kan winnen.

Donna
16-07-03, 16:46
Geplaatst door lennart
Cool! :D

Een grote Bilderberg expose in the making :lole:

Laat je niet hersenspoelen he!

Nooit! :wijs: