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Grietje
17-08-03, 14:52
Fareed Zakaria is door het blad Esquire uitgeroepen tot een van de meest invloedrijke personen van de 21ste eeuw. Hij heeft onlangs een boek geschreven dat de wording van democratie(o.a. in Irak) behandelt.

Fareed Zakaria: The future of Freedom - illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad

The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us?

Bin Laden and his fellow fanatics are products of failed societies that breed their anger. America needs a plan that will not only defeat terror but reform the Arab world

By Fareed Zakaria
NEWSWEEK



Oct. 15 issue — To the question “Why do the terrorists hate us?” Americans could be pardoned for answering, “Why should we care?” The immediate reaction to the murder of 5,000 innocents is anger, not analysis. Yet anger will not be enough to get us through what is sure to be a long struggle. For that we will need answers.

THE ONES WE HAVE HEARD so far have been comforting but familiar. We stand for freedom and they hate it. We are rich and they envy us. We are strong and they resent this. All of which is true. But there are billions of poor and weak and oppressed people around the world. They don’t turn planes into bombs. They don’t blow themselves up to kill thousands of civilians. If envy were the cause of terrorism, Beverly Hills, Fifth Avenue and Mayfair would have become morgues long ago. There is something stronger at work here than deprivation and jealousy. Something that can move men to kill but also to die.
Osama bin Laden has an answer—religion. For him and his followers, this is a holy war between Islam and the Western world. Most Muslims disagree. Every Islamic country in the world has condemned the attacks of Sept. 11. To many, bin Laden belongs to a long line of extremists who have invoked religion to justify mass murder and spur men to suicide. The words “thug,” “zealot” and “assassin” all come from ancient terror cults—Hindu, Jewish and Muslim, respectively—that believed they were doing the work of God. The terrorist’s mind is its own place, and like Milton’s Satan, can make a hell of heaven, a heaven of hell. Whether it is the Unabomber, Aum Shinrikyo or Baruch Goldstein (who killed scores of unarmed Muslims in Hebron), terrorists are almost always misfits who place their own twisted morality above mankind’s.
Fareed Zakaria joined us for a live talk on Friday, Oct. 12 to discuss the roots of anti-American rage in the Middle East.

The problem is not that Osama bin Laden believes that this is a religious war against America. It’s that millions of people across the Islamic world seem to agree.


ADMIRATION FOR BIN LADEN
But bin Laden and his followers are not an isolated cult like Aum Shinrikyo or the Branch Davidians or demented loners like Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber. They come out of a culture that reinforces their hostility, distrust and hatred of the West—and of America in particular. This culture does not condone terrorism but fuels the fanaticism that is at its heart. To say that Al Qaeda is a fringe group may be reassuring, but it is false. Read the Arab press in the aftermath of the attacks and you will detect a not-so-hidden admiration for bin Laden. Or consider this from the Pakistani newspaper The Nation: “September 11 was not mindless terrorism for terrorism’s sake. It was reaction and revenge, even retribution.” Why else is America’s response to the terror attacks so deeply constrained by fears of an “Islamic backlash” on the streets? Pakistan will dare not allow Washington the use of its bases. Saudi Arabia trembles at the thought of having to help us publicly. Egypt pleads that our strikes be as limited as possible. The problem is not that Osama bin Laden believes that this is a religious war against America. It’s that millions of people across the Islamic world seem to agree.

This awkward reality has led some in the West to dust off old essays and older prejudices predicting a “clash of civilizations” between the West and Islam. The historian Paul Johnson has argued that Islam is intrinsically an intolerant and violent religion. Other scholars have disagreed, pointing out that Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents and prohibits suicide. Nothing will be solved by searching for “true Islam” or quoting the Quran. The Quran is a vast, vague book, filled with poetry and contradictions (much like the Bible). You can find in it condemnations of war and incitements to struggle, beautiful expressions of tolerance and stern strictures against unbelievers. Quotations from it usually tell us more about the person who selected the passages than about Islam. Every religion is compatible with the best and the worst of humankind. Through its long history, Christianity has supported inquisitions and anti-Semitism, but also human rights and social weatlh.


WHY NOW?
Searching the history books is also of limited value. From the Crusades of the 11th century to the Turkish expansion of the 15th century to the colonial era in the early 20th century, Islam and the West have often battled militarily. This tension has existed for hundreds of years, during which there have been many periods of peace and even harmony. Until the 1950s, for example, Jews and Christians lived peaceably under Muslim rule. In fact, Bernard Lewis, the pre-eminent historian of Islam, has argued that for much of history religious minorities did better under Muslim rulers than they did under Christian ones. All that has changed in the past few decades. So surely the relevant question we must ask is, Why are we in a particularly difficult phase right now? What has gone wrong in the world of Islam that explains not the conquest of Constantinople in 1453 or the siege of Vienna of 1683 but Sept. 11, 2001?


Let us first peer inside that vast Islamic world. Many of the largest Muslim countries in the world show little of this anti-American rage. The biggest, Indonesia, had, until the recent Asian economic crisis, been diligently following Washington’s advice on economics, with impressive results. The second and third most populous Muslim countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh, have mixed Islam and modernity with some success. While both countries are impoverished, both have voted a woman into power as prime minister, before most Western countries have done so. Next is Turkey, the sixth largest Muslim country in the world, a flawed but functioning secular democracy and a close ally of the West (being a member of NATO).

Only when you get to the Middle East do you see in lurid colors all the dysfunctions that people conjure up when they think of Islam today. In Iran, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, the occupied territories and the Persian Gulf, the resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism is virulent, and a raw anti-Americanism seems to be everywhere. This is the land of suicide bombers, flag-burners and fiery mullahs. As we strike Afghanistan it is worth remembering that not a single Afghan has been tied to a terrorist attack against the United States. Afghanistan is the campground from which an Arab army is battling America.
Newsweek On Air: Why they Hate Us


But even the Arab rage at America is relatively recent. In the 1950s and 1960s it seemed unimaginable that the United States and the Arab world would end up locked in a cultural clash. Egypt’s most powerful journalist, Mohamed Heikal, described the mood at the time: “The whole picture of the United States... was a glamorous one. Britain and France were fading, hated empires. The Soviet Union was 5,000 miles away and the ideology of communism was anathema to the Muslim religion. But America had emerged from World War II richer, more powerful and more appealing than ever.” I first traveled to the Middle East in the early 1970s, and even then the image of America was of a glistening, approachable modernity: fast cars, Hilton hotels and Coca-Cola. Something happened in these lands. To understand the roots of anti-American rage in the Middle East, we need to plumb not the past 300 years of history but the past 30.

Zwarte Schaap
17-08-03, 15:05
Geplaatst door Grietje
But even the Arab rage at America is relatively recent. In the 1950s and 1960s it seemed unimaginable that the United States and the Arab world would end up locked in a cultural clash. Egypt’s most powerful journalist, Mohamed Heikal, described the mood at the time: “The whole picture of the United States... was a glamorous one. Britain and France were fading, hated empires. The Soviet Union was 5,000 miles away and the ideology of communism was anathema to the Muslim religion. But America had emerged from World War II richer, more powerful and more appealing than ever.” I first traveled to the Middle East in the early 1970s, and even then the image of America was of a glistening, approachable modernity: fast cars, Hilton hotels and Coca-Cola. Something happened in these lands. To understand the roots of anti-American rage in the Middle East, we need to plumb not the past 300 years of history but the past 30.

Massacommunicatie en verbeterde communicatie middelen samen met afname van de analfabetisme doet de ogen van de mensen openen zodat ze de waarheid beter kunnen zien.

Donna
17-08-03, 15:20
Geplaatst door Grietje
To understand the roots of anti-American rage in the Middle East, we need to plumb not the past 300 years of history but the past 30.


Ik neem aan dat de rest nog komt grietje?

Grietje
17-08-03, 16:03
Geplaatst door Donna
Ik neem aan dat de rest nog komt grietje?

Ah, fuk, ik ben echt niet mijzelf deze dagen. Hier de link: http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/639057.asp?cp1=1

Zwarte Schaap
17-08-03, 16:08
Geplaatst door Grietje
Ah, fuk, ik ben echt niet mijzelf deze dagen.

Wie ben je dan allemaal nog meer op deze prikbord?

Pixelshade
17-08-03, 16:09
:baard:

Grietje
17-08-03, 16:12
Geplaatst door Zwarte Schaap
Wie ben je dan allemaal nog meer op deze prikbord?

Dit prikbord. En wees niet bang, ik verschuil mij niet onder andere pseudoniemen. Doe maar een ip-check of hoe zoiets ook mag heten.

Zwarte Schaap
17-08-03, 16:23
Geplaatst door Grietje
Dit prikbord. En wees niet bang, ik verschuil mij niet onder andere pseudoniemen. Doe maar een ip-check of hoe zoiets ook mag heten.

Kom maar even op maroc.nl voicechat, daar kan het een en ander gecheckt worden. Neem wel grietje als nick.

http://voicechat.maroc.nl

Grietje
17-08-03, 16:25
Geplaatst door Zwarte Schaap
Kom maar even op maroc.nl voicechat, daar kan het een en ander gecheckt worden. Neem wel grietje als nick.

http://voicechat.maroc.nl

ik heb geen microfoon. mag ik vragen waar ik al die argwaan aan te danken heb?

Mark
17-08-03, 16:27
Dat gezeur altijd over mps....

Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat twee van de echte vaste prikkers hier dezelfde persoon zijn...

Simon

Mark
17-08-03, 16:28
Leuk! ik wil wel even horen hoe jullie allemaal klinken op voice chat

Zwarte Schaap
17-08-03, 16:33
Geplaatst door Mark
Leuk! ik wil wel even horen hoe jullie allemaal klinken op voice chat


Het is nu een beetje druk, je komt er niet doorheen.

Mark
17-08-03, 16:39
jammer, mijn internet loopt er inderdaad op vast

heb een microfoon op de webcam zitten...