Bush met Saddam on November 27
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Islamabad, Dec 16 - A Pakistani newspaper on Tuesday published a report, claiming a meeting had taken place between US President George Bush and former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein on November 27.
The Urdu language newspaper, Khabrain, quoting some reports said that during his unexpected sojourn to Baghdad, Bush met deposed Iraqi president Saddam Hussein on November 27.
The daily further said that Saddam had tried to commit suicide on November 23, while he was arrested with the help of Kurd leader Jalal Talabani and his own guards, three days before the attempt to kill himself.
The local press, like in all the other countries, gave front page extensive coverage to the stories about Saddam's arrest and the circumstances which led to his capture.
http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=194533
En wat te denken van al die dubbelgangers die Saddam had... Geen een is er blijkbaar gevonden of gevangen genomen. Had Saddam nu wel of geen dubbelgangers :confused:
Een aardige theorie:
For months we have wanted to get our hands on the warmonger who terrorized the world with weapons of mass destruction. But, as we couldn't get George Bush, we had to make do with Saddam Hussein. A second rate toughman who used to run a now third-world country. The mass media are content: we caught us a dictator. Or did we?
Before being swept away by the hysteria, there are two key questions. These lead to a whole lot more. Then to some surprising answers.
SEEING DOUBLE
First question: whatever happened to all those legendary doubles of Saddam. You know: the supporting cast of look-alikes who made it fruitless to try assassinate him.
The doubles reportedly had plastic surgery and practiced Saddam's mannerisms, walk, and even facial tics. So, odds were at least 5, maybe 10 to 1 you would just kill some unfortunate actor instead.
When the Americans invaded, this crew of doubles were suddenly jobless and footloose in Iraq. Ever wonder why none were reported caught?
They didn't have billions in a Swiss bank. No loyal cadre. No hoard of pocket money for greasing the palms needed to don a low profile and keep it.
So, if anyone was to be caught, the chances are 100 to 1 the first to be nabbed would be a clone. Yet, US forces scouring the country did a strangely dismal job of catching them.
How come they got so lucky that the first Saddam they gabbed happened to be the real thing? And be caught with such exquisite Karl Rov-ian timing to boot.
PLANTING A RAT
Second question: Maj-Gen Ray Odierno, the man running the Saddam grab, seems to have had a terrific break. Even with the claimed red hot intelligence info, US forces initially failed to find Saddam in raids on two locations near ad-Dwar. But, said Odierno, troops threw up a subsequent cordon and after a local search operation unearthed the fugitive.
Hold on a moment. Their 'actionable intelligence' led to raids on two prime locations, but only when they failed to find the most wanted man in the world did they bother to throw a cordon around the area?
Pardon me for being such a poor military strategist. But wouldn't any military or police hunt aimed a specific location surely throw a cordon BEFORE going in -not after? That way if the target moves then at least they still have him boxed in? This seems obvious to you and I, but clearly we don't have what it takes to rise to the top of the US military.
You are getting the idea that I smell a rat. The rat odor is that according to a US military map, the location where 'Saddam' was found is close to a cordon point and far from the targets and the rest of the troops.
Suppose that instead of trying to find a rat in an unknown trap, you actually wanted to place a rat look-alike in a prearranged trap.
In order to make a great show of finding him shortly afterwards.
The last thing you want is a 600-strong Raider Brigade stomping all over the rat hole. So you send them on a nearby wild goose chase --the Wolverine 1 & 2 locations. Meanwhile your very special ops team slips the rat into his rat hole to be pulled out moments later. With everyone trying to look surprised when they 'find' him.
You can discount those stories about Saddam moving location every few hours. Nobody is that foolish. Any fugitive knows travel presents the highest risk.
Even Col. James Hickey, heavy-handed war criminal and Saddam bloodhound commanding the 4th Infantry's 1st Brigade, told Reuters: "If they try to move, they run the risk of running into one of our patrols."
Despite this, last week British sources leaked to Newsweek that Saddam had been dumb enough to be driving around in a battered old cab. Surprise: a cab was found at the hideout location. Clumsy leak.
Ad Dawr, by the way, was where Saddam hid in 1959, after a hit attempt on the then prime minister of Iraq. Every rock in this area would have been lifted during the last nine months.
Supposedly, Saddam somehow hid in the very area being most thoroughly searched. And remained there though the zone, since early August had been hotter than a hornet's nest. Despite the US forces, insurgents were free enough to hit helicopters at will. Yet Saddam remained, we are told.
In particular, the military presence had been thick in the nearby village and general area of Awja for the past month -setting up for this scam.
THE GALA MATINEE SHOW
Now, let's whisk him aboard a chopper --probably the same one which brought him to ad-Dawr-- and it's off to Baghdad for the gala matinee performance of a lifetime.
There, the world's media would soon be seeing Saddam himself --in the flesh. Ooops, did I say... in the flesh? I meant... on the video.
You know what videotape is, don't you? It's stuff you rent movies on. At the video store you can rent some wonderful performances. Like, say Jurassic Park --which features incredibly realistic nonexistent creatures. You can rent these videos for a few bucks. Like a cheap actor.
Speaking of cheap actors, back to our Sunday performance.
Great hairy beards make it much easier to impersonate somebody. Heck, just ask any of the hundreds of wannabee actors playing Santa Claus for those not mature enough to realize he doesn't exist.
Beards render inconsistencies in the cheeks, jaw line, chin or neck invisible. And make face proportions hard to gauge. So, a beard grown this big, this fast, was a very important overkill.
Yet, though the hair is unkempt and rather too wispy, it was dyed so recently that the gray roots don't show. Eyebrows too.
Is this guy all gray hair? And old?
OK, some will say, but when they shaved off the beard it was Saddam underneath.
Just a moment. Another big assumption.
The video starred Mr. Santa, not the unbearded Saddam. We just have a photo. Are you assuming the photo is of the same person, and was taken just after the medical exam video? Really?
From say, the prewar CBS News interview with Saddam, you could fake a whole gallery of still photos. Of the real Saddam.
I love the high white collar. So convenient.
And the forehead cuts and similar white backgrounds, so your mind automatically links Santa and Saddam. Nice touches.
That's the thing about illusion, it's all done with misdirection. Which lead us to make false assumptions. Pure magic!
By the way, you are not assuming the medical exam video was shot just after the 'capture,' are you?
Ever been to the movies? They don't make the movie earlier that day. They make 'em in special studios, and it takes lots of time. They also make the movie publicity photos in special studios. Then they hand them out free --to the un-free press.
http://www.gulufuture.com/saddam-capture.htm
Natuurlijk is een ding zeker. Ze hebben de echte Saddam weldegelijk, immers een dergelijke blunder zou een ramp zijn (Saddam met tape op Al-Jazeera...). Maar er is ook weldegelijk weer een spel gespeeld. Deze Amerikaanse regering speelt voortdurend met de waarheid en ik zie geen enkele waarom dat nu niet gebeurd zou zijn.
DNA testing duurt dagen, niet uren.
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story137562.html
While Saddam was Captured: Stealth enactment of the "Patriot II" legislation
Various Sources
While CNN and other media outlets are rejoicing because of the capture of Saddam Hussein, Bush again introduced new legislation last Saturday which increased the federal powers to investigate and reduces the privacy rights of American citizens :
H.R. 2417, INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION AGREEMENT OF 2004
Whitehouse Statement on HR 2417 (December 13, 2003)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031213-3.html
HR 2417 was cleared by the Congress on November 21, 2003
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4862&sequence=0
Comments of Ron Paul, Congressman for Texas on HR 2417 :
It appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular "Patriot II" legislation that was first leaked several months ago. Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot II act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret. Whatever the case, this is outrageous and unacceptable. I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of Federal police powers.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h112203.html
Bush signs bill extending FBI powers
Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- President Bush has signed legislation making it easier for FBI agents investigating terrorism to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses.
The changes were included in a bill authorizing 2004 intelligence programs. Most of the details of the bill are secret, including the total cost of the programs, which are estimated to be about $40 billion. That would be slightly more than Bush had requested.
Bush signed the bill Saturday, the White House announced.
The bill expands the number of businesses from which the FBI and other US authorities conducting intelligence work can demand financial records without seeking court approval.
Under current law, "national security letters" can be issued to traditional financial institutions, such as banks and credit unions, to require them to turn over information. The bill expands the definition of financial institution to include other businesses that deal with large amounts of cash.
Supporters of the change say it will help authorities identify money laundering and other activities that fund terrorism. But some lawmakers and civil liberties advocates say the change does not provide enough safeguards to ensure that authorities will not violate the privacy of innocent people.
In other provisions, the bill:
Requires the CIA director to prepare a report as soon as possible on what intelligence agencies have learned from their experiences in Iraq.
Creates a Treasury Department office to work with intelligence agencies on fighting terrorist financing.
Creates pilot programs to share raw data between agencies.
Authorizes agencies to continue research on computerized terrorism surveillance suspended by the Pentagon.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/121503stealthenactment.html
Meest ingrijpende inbreuk op de grondwet in Amerika na de Patriot I act en de Amerikaanse media heeft alleen oog voor Saddam... Hmmmm..
Geplaatst door lennart
DNA testing duurt dagen, niet uren.
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story137562.html
Nou de methodologie die daar omschreven staat is anders dan die ik gehoord heb op TV. Een wattenstaafje langs de binnenzijde van je wang is al voldoende om DNA af te nemen. Verder beschikt men over DNA van zijn beide zoons. En wellicht van andere familie-leden. Bovendien waren andere medische kenmerken van hem bekend.
Geplaatst door Simon
Nou de methodologie die daar omschreven staat is anders dan die ik gehoord heb op TV. Een wattenstaafje langs de binnenzijde van je wang is al voldoende om DNA af te nemen. Verder beschikt men over DNA van zijn beide zoons. En wellicht van andere familie-leden. Bovendien waren andere medische kenmerken van hem bekend.
DNA afnemen is niet moeilijk nee... Duh... Het testen is moeilijk en langdurig. Overigens zal het leger best goede methodes hebben, dus ik sluit niet uit dat ze het zo snel konden doen. Maar ik weet gewoon zeker dat er gespeeld is met dit mediamoment.
Het komt ook nog eens net wanneer Baker op weg gaat naar Europa om de schuld van Iraq kwijtgescholden te krijgen.