Medische experts twijfelen aan Kelly 'zelfmoord'

[lennart]

Experts question Kelly 'suicide'
4.06PM, 27 Jan 2004

On the day the Hutton Report was delivered to Downing Street amid tight security, doubt among medical experts is growing over whether David Kelly killed himself.

The experts have questioned whether the weapons expert committed suicide after they detailed flaws in the pathologist's explanation for his death.

In a letter to The Guardian, they said the cause of death as presented to the Hutton Inquiry was "improbable" although they said they were not accusing anyone of murder.

The specialists, including a trauma consultant and an anaesthetist, believed Dr Kelly could not have died from cutting his wrist and taking an overdose of painkillers as set out in the inquiry.

Oxfordshire coroner Nicholas Gardiner, who is considering holding a full inquest into the death, has received numerous letters questioning the account given to the inquiry.

Consultant surgeon David Halpin said he was not accusing anyone of murder but the cut to Dr Kelly's wrist was unlikely to have been fatal.

"The picture is not a happy one. We would like the inquest reopened in this very important case." One of Dr Kelly's closest friends said he had received death threats.

Lord Hutton will deliver a "substantial summary" of the report at 12.30pm tomorrow.

The actual document will then be formally published at 1.30pm, ensuring that it is his statement which will set the tone for the ensuing media coverage.

The Speaker, Michael Martin, will interrupt Commons business at around 2pm so that Mr Blair can make a statement in the House on the report. The Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, will make a statement in the Lords.

The widow of Dr David Kelly's also got a copy along with other key players in the inquiry. The Lords will debate the Hutton report next Wednesday.

This is expected to be opened by the Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer of Thoroton and takes place on the same day as the Commons' debate on the issue.

Dr Kelly was found dead near his home last July after being named as the source of a BBC report claiming the Government "sexed up" a dossier on the threat from Iraq.

http://www.itv.com/news/429586.html

[lennart]

Three Doctors Dispute How David Kelly Died

Letters forwarded to national British newspapers

As medical professionals, a trauma & orthopaedic surgeon, a specialist anaesthesiologist, and a diagnostic radiologist, we do not think evidence given at the Hutton Inquiry has demonstrated that Dr David Kelly committed suicide.

Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist who appeared at the Hutton Inquiry, concluded that Dr Kelly bled to death from a self-inflicted wound in his left wrist. We consider this highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to drastic blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - was completely transected. Complete transection means the artery quickly retracts, promoting clotting of the blood:

"When an artery is completely divided, the highly elastic quality of its wall causes it to retract into the tissues, thereby diminishing the calibre of the vessel and promoting clotting."

A Textbook of Surgery by Christopher, Fourth Edition, 1945, p210

It was reported by the ambulance team that blood at the scene was minimal. It is extremely difficult to lose significant amounts of blood at pressure below 50-60 systolic in a subject who is compensating by vaso-constricting. To have died from haemorrhage, Dr Kelly would have had to lose 3 litres of blood; in our view it is unlikely that Dr Kelly would have lost more than a pint from the wound described.

Mr Alexander Allan, the toxicologist testifying at the Inquiry, considered the ingestion of co-proxamol insufficient to cause death. Mr Allan could not show that Dr Kelly had ingested the 29 tablets said to be missing from the packets found. Only a fifth of one tablet was found in his stomach. Although levels of co-proxamol in the blood were higher than therapeutic levels, Mr Allan conceded that the blood level of each of the drug's two components was less than a third of what would normally be found in a fatal overdose.

In summary, we dispute that Dr Kelly could have died either from haemorrhage or from co-proxamol ingestion. The coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has spoken in recent days of resuming the inquest into Dr Kelly's death. If it does re-open, a clear need exists for further scrutiny into Dr Hunt's conclusions regarding the cause of death.

Yours sincerely

David Halpin, MB BS FRCS
Trauma & Orthopaedic Surgeon

Dr C Stephen Frost, BSc, MB ChB
Specialist in Diagnostic Radiology (Stockholm, Sweden)

Dr Searle Sennett, BSc, MBChB, FFARCS
Specialist Anaesthesiologist

[jaja]

misschien hebben ze gelijk hoor, maar dit doet me toch sterk denken aan de "deskundigen" die allerlei theorieen over Volkert wisten te produceren zonder dat ze de man zelf hadden onderzocht. Deze heren waren allemaal niet betrokken bij het pathologisch onderzoek, maar baseren hun "conclusies" alleen op wat ze in de openbare verslagen hebben zien staan.
Het oordeel van een arts die een patient zelf behandelt, heeft bij mij toch wat meer gewicht dan iemand die op afstand en op basis van een algemeen rapport zijn mening geeft. (zelfs als de behandeling een lijkschouwing is ...)

[lennart]

Ik heb gelezen dat de lijkschouwer klaar staat om het onderzoek weer te openen.

ps. het volkert van de g syndroom, was een psychologische afwijking, dat is heel wat moeilijker vast te stellen dan een fysieke doodsoorzaak. In dit geval gaat het er dus om dat er maar 1 bloedvat is doorgesneden. Volgens de experts is het niet mogelijk dat iemand doodbloed wanneer er maar 1 bloedvat wordt doorgesneden. Bovendien was er maar weinig bloed gevonden op de plaats waar Kelly was gevonden.

[lennart]

Meer interessante weetjes over Kelly:

Professor Keith Hawton, a suicide expert who gave evidence to the Hutton inquiry, said that Dr Kelly had believed that his mother killed herself after suffering a stroke.

He told his 1985 vetting interview with the MoD that she had died by her own hand in 1964, never having remarried.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/hutton/story/0,13822,1128856,00.html

An American confidante of David Kelly has cast doubt on whether his death was suicide.

(...)

She said Dr Kelly told her how his mother had committed suicide and confided: "Good God no, I couldn't imagine ever doing that? I would never do it."

http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=206680&in_page_id=2


Deze is ook wel leuk, maar helaas een anonieme bron:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/010903kellymurder.html

[mark61]

Ja alleen vraag ik me af wie er nou belang had bij zijn dood. Het is sowieso een gigantische rel geworden, en wat hij blijkt te hebben gezegd is niet zo schokkend voor de regering. Het schokkende zit juist in hoe hij door de regering behandeld is, en hoe de BBC uitgleed. Dus MI5 zie ik er zo gauw niet in betrokken. Wat is het nut?

[TonH]

Geplaatst door mark61
Ja alleen vraag ik me af wie er nou belang had bij zijn dood. Het is sowieso een gigantische rel geworden, en wat hij blijkt te hebben gezegd is niet zo schokkend voor de regering. Het schokkende zit juist in hoe hij door de regering behandeld is, en hoe de BBC uitgleed. Dus MI5 zie ik er zo gauw niet in betrokken. Wat is het nut?

Gelijk heb je. Wie heeft er nu belang bij. Vóór Blair zou ik gezegd hebben: Labourregering wegwerken. Maar dat heeft met zijn politiek ook niet veel zin...

[mark61]

Hij is onderhand rechtser dan de Tories, dus die lachen zich gek.